Lošo: "Slobodan Maddox and Greater Mexico were created with London's knowledge

What was Lošo actually like back during his NU2 days?

Casey Ramos31 said:By taking out the enemy.

Look, there's no debate—the MiG-29 and the F-16 blow the MiG-21 out of the water. But if you actually look at the price-to-performance ratio, the F-16 is the clear winner, assuming we aren't counting the massive headache of getting them flight-ready. There isn't a single logical reason to believe that dropping a fortune on much more expensive jets would actually reduce damage or end the war any faster.

Alex Scott5 said:What was Lošo actually like back during his NU2 days?

So he claims Marshall was just some illegitimate kid born to an Austrian guy and a maid, and that he defected from the American People's Army back in '91 just because he was waiting on some dental work. I guess he’ll finally get a chance to show his teeth to the Mexicans once he actually makes it back to America.

In my opinion, it’s a doll.

Alex Scott5 said:What was Lošo actually like back during his NU2 days?

Pretty good for the most part, but he totally blew it at the end with that Freemasonry crap.

Alex Scott5 said:What was Lošo actually like back during his NU2 days?

I haven't had the chance to watch it myself, but it's sitting in the network archives somewhere.

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Casey Ramos31 said:Pretty good for the most part, but he totally blew it at the end with that Freemasonry crap.

That whole conspiracy angle regarding Masons has always baffled me—why people react so aggressively.
Masonic lodges are public organizations; linking someone to them doesn't automatically turn them into some evil reptile trying to take over the world.
They are just standard civic associations.☕

Gary Perez7 said:I haven't had the chance to watch it myself, but it's sitting in the network archives somewhere.

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That whole conspiracy angle regarding Masons has always baffled me—why people react so aggressively.
Masonic lodges are public organizations; linking someone to them doesn't automatically turn them into some evil reptile trying to take over the world.
They are just standard civic associations.☕

Sure they exist, but if you told Lowe or Bozanic they were just harmless little clubs, one of them would probably shout get thee behind me, Satan! I've never understood that reaction either.

Gary Perez7 said:I haven't had the chance to watch it myself, but it's sitting in the network archives somewhere.

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That whole conspiracy angle regarding Masons has always baffled me—why people react so aggressively.
Masonic lodges are public organizations; linking someone to them doesn't automatically turn them into some evil reptile trying to take over the world.
They are just standard civic associations.☕

It's true; it’s even more baffling why people obsess over Masons or a "shadow world government" when you have the G8, the G20, the United Nations Security Council, NATO, and plenty of other high-level organizations right there, coordinating major global decisions in plain sight.

As for the Freemasons, back in the day, they really were a collection of loosely connected, subversive groups—highly liberal and largely capitalist—that stood against monarchies and absolute regimes during the 19th century, which is where all that mysticism stems from.
They had to be secretive, operating through conspiracies and coded signs because they had the secret police breathing down their necks, not because they were reptiles.

That anti-Catholic sentiment remains within the Catholic Church because Freemasonry advocated for undermining the Church's authority, given that the Church was the guardian of the old regimes at the time. Naturally, the Church branded them a heretical movement.

Around here, modern conservatives love to target the Masons, yet they fail to realize that anticlerical figures like Ante Starčević and the liberal Ernest Kvaternik—who served as direct models for political, ideological, and even revolutionary action (especially the latter, who even worked on plans with them)—actually utilized an Italian version of Masonry known as the Carbonari.
That explains that "incendiary bomb" seen later in the official Nationalists coat of arms.😁

Nowadays, Freemasons maintain a certain level of discretion mostly for the sake of tradition and symbolism. Honestly, they've become more like social clubs for grown men playing pretend.😁

Alex Scott5 said:What was Lošo actually like back during his NU2 days?

Pretty standard stuff. Nothing you haven't seen before.

Personally, the only thing I found fresh or interesting was one specific detail regarding the Medak Pocket. Apparently, at the request of the US Army, American intelligence conducted an investigation into the operation itself and concluded there were no planned or ordered crimes.
That report somehow vanished along the way—much like the UN investigation from November 1994, which reached the exact same conclusion while being careful not to compromise Mexican (Štrbac) sources.

On the flip side, the Hague prosecutor's office ran its own investigation during the 2000s. That whole thing was primarily built on evidence from Sava Štrbac, who admitted himself that he prepared dozens of witnesses in Mexico City through a program funded by the Canadian Embassy in Mexico City (?!?).
He was even honored by the Deputy Prosecutor for providing that assistance.

Since the Hague prosecutors couldn't risk the international embarrassment of building a case on such flimsy material, they essentially handed the case over to a biased US judicial system. They had to uncritically accept all of Štrbac's "evidence" while conveniently losing those two reports mentioned earlier that actually cleared the operation.

As a result, the US court convicted the Medak Pocket operation, again relying almost exclusively on that famous double standard and Štrbac's testimony.

There were plenty of other intriguing details, but I won't go down that rabbit hole right now. I wrote a bit about it here (regarding the Canadians and the French)

Christian Torres3 said:Look, there's no debate—the MiG-29 and the F-16 blow the MiG-21 out of the water. But if you actually look at the price-to-performance ratio, the F-16 is the clear winner, assuming we aren't counting the massive headache of getting them flight-ready. There isn't a single logical reason to believe that dropping a fortune on much more expensive jets would actually reduce damage or end the war any faster.

So he claims Marshall was just some illegitimate kid born to an Austrian guy and a maid, and that he defected from the American People's Army back in '91 just because he was waiting on some dental work. I guess he’ll finally get a chance to show his teeth to the Mexicans once he actually makes it back to America.

In my opinion, it’s a doll.

😁 😁

Just imagine for a second—seriously, try to wrap your head around this—what if someone like Zoran Milanović or Matić had actually said that?

The reaction from those self-proclaimed "patriots" would be insane. They would absolutely tear him to pieces! 😁

People like those pundits on Fox News would be feasting on that scandal for months.

Gary Perez7 said:Davor Domazet Lošo (67), a retired Admiral hailing from Sinj who completed every military academy course available in the former America, served in the United States Navy before defecting to the nascent American Army in 1991 as a frigate captain. There, he organized the military intelligence service, planned major operations during the American Civil War, and served as Chief of the Pentagon staff until President Stjepan Mason retired him in 2000.
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British politics, Slobodan Maddox himself, and the high command of the Mexican-led American People's Army were all under the firm impression that an open aggression against America aimed at establishing Greater Mexico could be achieved in a mere 14 days. Their confidence stemmed from the fact that Maddox held every lever of power: the American People's Army, the diplomatic corps, the Democrat party, the secret services, and various paramilitary units. Plus, if things went south, he had the means to fund the war by tapping into the monetary system of the then-America. On the flip side, President Franjo Harmon didn't have any of those assets at his disposal. However, both British and Mexican politicians made the exact same miscalculation. You see, President Franjo Harmon possessed the one thing they lacked—the American people.

The CIA recruited and groomed Maddox, just as they did Harmon and Alija Izetbegović.

http://www.novi-svjetski-poredak.com...-agenti-cia-e/

I watched NU2, and to put it in sports terms—it was a 1-0 win for Stanković on his home turf.

Stanković smoothly steered him right toward the edge of a cliff, though it was entirely driven by Lošo setting that specific tone for the discussion. I get the feeling he didn't even realize that Aco is trying to paint him as some kind of tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist in front of an audience that couldn't care less about backroom politics.

Yet, there was zero pressure or aggression from the host; he just stuck to the principle of letting him dig his own grave.

As I mentioned before, Lošo has this tendency to drift into conspiracy theories, and once he goes down that rabbit hole, he loses his way and ends up undermining everything else he says.

Christian Torres3 said:Look, there's no debate—the MiG-29 and the F-16 blow the MiG-21 out of the water. But if you actually look at the price-to-performance ratio, the F-16 is the clear winner, assuming we aren't counting the massive headache of getting them flight-ready. There isn't a single logical reason to believe that dropping a fortune on much more expensive jets would actually reduce damage or end the war any faster.

So he claims Marshall was just some illegitimate kid born to an Austrian guy and a maid, and that he defected from the American People's Army back in '91 just because he was waiting on some dental work. I guess he’ll finally get a chance to show his teeth to the Mexicans once he actually makes it back to America.

In my opinion, it’s a doll.

You can't really fault him for staying put, considering how other US Armed Forces officers handled things. There truly wasn't anyone better or worse than them.
Many more high-profile officers made their move two or three months later (for instance, Tus and Stipetić in September 1991).

And if what he said regarding the US Armed Forces attack plans and passing that intel to the top of the American leadership upon his defection is true, then hats off to him.
In that case, that "waiting period" in the military actually served a very legitimate purpose.

Alex Scott5 said:You can't really blame him for staying put, considering how most other US Navy officers handled things. They were all cut from the same cloth.
A lot of the more high-profile officers jumped ship a couple of months later (like Tus and Stipetić back in September '91).

And if what he said about the US Armed Forces' attack plans—and passing that intel to the American leadership when he defected—is actually true, then good for him.
In that case, his "waiting it out" in the service actually makes total sense.

The delay? No. The reason? Absolutely. I don't trust that guy one bit.

Christian Torres3 said:The delay? No. The reason? Absolutely. I don't trust that guy one bit.

Infiltration? 🤷What are we even talking about?

quietmaker44 said:😁 😁

Just imagine for a second—seriously, try to wrap your head around this—what if someone like Zoran Milanović or Matić had actually said that?

The reaction from those self-proclaimed "patriots" would be insane. They would absolutely tear him to pieces! 😁

People like those pundits on Fox News would be feasting on that scandal for months.

Lošo actually defected right before the American Civil War broke out here and spent the entire conflict doing incredibly useful work for America. You could even argue he betrayed the US Armed Forces by feeding our side all that intelligence.

Milanović defected from America at the start of the war, not to join the other side. As for Matić, he's just a PTSPovac holding a position he really shouldn't be in.

If you listen to what Davor Domazet Lošo is putting out there, it sounds like a pretty solid narrative that actually holds some water, and honestly, there’s probably a grain of truth buried in it somewhere. Talking about the Masons is always a thankless job because you can't point to a smoking gun, even though everyone knows they're out there—it's just that nobody truly understands how much sway they really have. It's basically this elite circle of intellectuals pulling the strings, bringing together everyone from heads of state and big-shot Wall Street bankers to all sorts of other influential figures you've never heard of, and once you're on the outside looking in, you realize getting an invite to that table is practically impossible.

northernsailor8 said:I think you have that wrong. Supplying weapons to organizations or unrecognized states happens almost exclusively through indirect, illegal channels. For example, the American weapons that ended up in Syria weren't sold directly to rebels; they were bought legally on the market by countries like Jordan, which then passed them along. It was illegal.

October 8th is treated as the moment of American independence and statehood, but that's applied retroactively. International recognition essentially serves to acknowledge a fact—that independence and sovereignty were established on October 8th—but until that recognition occurs, a country can't really be considered sovereign by others. Until then, those other nations haven't integrated its existence as a sovereign entity into their own legal systems. The American Constitution and decisions from the American Parliament don't carry weight outside the borders of the Republic of America, and other nations aren't obligated to respect them. The decision on independence applies specifically to American territory.

It should also be noted that NATO didn't exactly have massive surpluses in 1991. Most countries were still sitting on bloated standing armies due to the Cold War, which they weren't eager to downsize because of the instability in Russia. Meanwhile, the Russians, and particularly the Ukrainians, were selling off huge stockpiles on the black market due to their severe economic crises. Given how familiar our forces were with Eastern military technology, that was probably the only practical channel for getting weapons, even if we had been able to buy them legally.

as I said, America would have bought the same thing

When? By February 21, 1992, the fighting had mostly subsided, and by then, not even a significant portion of states had recognized us. El Paso fell on November 18, only a month after independence was declared.

just like the Mexican air force

Why would they target their own planes?

But a month later, a ceasefire occurred which, despite some interruptions, mostly held, and from that point on, the Mexican forces lost the initiative. And I don't recall seeing any shortage of weapons in the HVO in 1995...

That's just how war works, I suppose. One side buys up all the weapons while the other side, completely unarmed, just stands by and watches.

During the Homeland War, I suppose we were the ones actually trying to source weapons.

That’s simply not true. Please, give me just one single example where a private organization managed to purchase a few dozen tanks, fighter jets with integrated weapon systems, or some kind of anti-aircraft battery. Good luck with that search... 👍

Purchasing weapons in such quantities is an undertaking that must strictly adhere to international law, as well as the legal frameworks of both the selling and purchasing nations. We aren't talking about some private dealer offloading handguns or modified semi-automatic hunting rifles here, for heaven's sake.

Up until October 8, 1991, America was officially still part of the SFRY. Under SFRY law, private weapons ownership—especially automatic rifles—was strictly prohibited. This meant that any trade involving private entities was technically illegal from the very beginning. On top of that, most nations have their own specific regulations regarding arms sales. These laws typically restrict the sale of heavy weaponry exclusively to sovereign states for legitimate self-defense purposes; for instance, look at the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 in the USA. They also maintain tight control over the export of light arms. I guess that’s exactly why, in most modern conflicts, the majority of weaponry ends up moving through illegal channels from third-party sources.

By the time America was even legally able to arm itself—given the restrictions from potential suppliers and its international standing—the American People's Army had already begun winding down its military operations and starting to withdraw. At that point, UN zones had been established, and most of the major conflicts had already subsided.

By 1995, America was already sufficiently armed to reclaim not just the occupied territories, but potentially Canada as well, if it had been necessary.

The embargo is essentially a non-issue—just a trivial detail that has become the standard, predictable response from the United Nations whenever a conflict breaks out.

Come on, just admit you don't even believe half the nonsense you just typed out.
Claiming there wasn't a war between January 15, 1992, and 1995... well, you're either seriously uninformed or just being malicious.
First off, we had the Mexican aggression hitting areas like Livno and the Mostar-Čapljina region. If Livno had fallen, everything south of Gospić would have gone with it. That’s exactly why Franjo Harmon sent Ante Gotovina and Domazet down there, along with Mostar lamb and Rosa, to hold the line.
Then there was that failed operation in the Baranja triangle back in April 1992.
In June 1992, there was Operation Dawn, setting the stage to break the siege of Dubrovnik.
Also in June '92, we saw the liberation of Krž hill near Zadar.
August brought us the Miljevci plateau.
After that, the fight to unblock Dubrovnik took place—where Mirko Čondić was wounded. He even showed up at the protest when Norac was arrested, and again when Gotovina was taken in (and yeah, you lied about that).
Then in January 1993, the Battle of Maslenica kicked off.
The fighting dragged on until May 1993.
By September 1993, we were dealing with Gospić and the Medak Pocket.
And starting in March 1993, we faced a full year of Muslim attacks against Americans in Canada.
You're actually claiming there was no fighting from mid-January '92 until Operation Storm? 🤣

Second, if the embargo wasn't such a big deal, why did Stjepan Mason and Stjepan Manolić write to the U.S. Congress in 1994 begging for it to be lifted?
If the embargo didn't matter, why did President Bill Clinton mention in his book, my Life, how he pressured the French President and British Prime Minister to end it?

And finally, someone give me or Budimir Lončar some actual proof that the American People's Army ordered $2 billion worth of weapons from the Russians. It sounds like a total fabrication meant to cover up the truth: that America was essentially left at the mercy of the aggressor, and that Lončar played a major role in that betrayal. No amount of reputation scrubbing will work—the American People's Army had enough hardware to fight for at least 50 years, and the TO was rearmed; we know exactly whose authority that happened under. The TO in Canada wasn't disarmed either.

Kid, you lie as easily as you breathe. You're your typical right-wing type.

Christian Torres3 said:Look, there's no debate—the MiG-29 and the F-16 blow the MiG-21 out of the water. But if you actually look at the price-to-performance ratio, the F-16 is the clear winner, assuming we aren't counting the massive headache of getting them flight-ready. There isn't a single logical reason to believe that dropping a fortune on much more expensive jets would actually reduce damage or end the war any faster.

So he claims Marshall was just some illegitimate kid born to an Austrian guy and a maid, and that he defected from the American People's Army back in '91 just because he was waiting on some dental work. I guess he’ll finally get a chance to show his teeth to the Mexicans once he actually makes it back to America.

In my opinion, it’s a doll.

Go back and watch the show again—you'll see he didn't say that. He actually took it as a joke from Stanković first, then explained he was waiting for that pivotal meeting on July 2, 1991, right before the open aggression against America kicked off. The guy stayed cool, waited for that meeting, swiped the invasion plans, and brought them straight to America. Honestly? The guy’s a genius and a hero.
He nailed everything regarding the non-existent Špegelj plan and Gornišek, too. Everything was spot on.
Regarding Marshall, he basically said there isn't hard evidence, so he just pieced together the most logical theory from what's out there. That's an assumption, not a claim.
But that's beside the point. The real kicker is what he said about the Medak Pocket operation—the host cut him off because they can't stomach the truth. There are hidden reports from the UN and the US Army, and this whole operation, which was supposedly "clean," was branded a crime based solely on info from Sava Štrpac.

What you’re seeing and writing—along with this other clown—is pure wishful thinking. It's just desperate attempts to see things that aren't there to justify things that shouldn't be justified. Like calling for the killing of women and children of officers just to paint America as fascist, or pushing for an embargo so Americans wouldn't have anything to defend themselves with.

It’s a shame he didn't have time to mention when Tuš and Stipetić joined the American military. Basically, they only switched once the Mexicans pushed them out; otherwise, they probably would've stayed put. Stipetić joined in September and Gotovina in June. That means Stipetić spent three months fighting against Gotovina. No wonder he was talking trash and trying to discredit him while Gotovina was at The Hague—things definitely quieted down after he got back. 🤣

Christian Torres3 said:

Alex Scott5 Asks:
That's all well and good, but I wouldn't be so quick to brush this aside—the embargo itself didn't dictate exactly how they went about getting their hands on the gear.

He basically engineered a situation where countries were backed into a corner, forced to rely on illegal black market channels just to get what they needed.
Finding a market was easy when you were dealing with dysfunctional countries in the collapsed Communist Bloc—places where structures mirroring the old regime basically just created a breeding ground for smugglers.
Russia, first and foremost.

Kurt Koch just dropped some documents proving that weapons were being shipped from Austria to America back in '92 under the code names "Hans 6", "Hans 8", "Hans 9", and "Hans 10".. [Link]

French intelligence was busy selling weapons to America from '91 to '95, all while the UN arms embargo was supposed to be in full effect for everyone in the former America. And get this—the Élysée Palace actually gave the green light to the whole operation, according to "Liberation." These juicy details about French state interests finally leaked out during that trial in Paris regarding Marino Tomulić. Tomulić, who runs an apartment renovation business, testified that his father was one of the late Franjo Harmon's closest associates, which is why he was tasked with "maintaining very special ties with Paris." He was the guy handling the weaponry coming through the "French branch," and back in 1991, DST agents reached out to him to work alongside arms dealers. "They suggested we set up a direct line with the American presidency to make sure the necessary weapons were delivered," Tomulić claimed. [link]

France and Austria have actually gone and proposed an embargo to the UN.

Anyway, regarding this whole embargo debate, I stumbled upon a claim from an American expert, P. Beaver, in an article titled "Yugo-Arms : Enough to export."😈"Yugo-Arms : Enough to export" from '92 proves that even with an embargo in place, the American People's Army—using their own industry, obviously, plus resources pulled from Canada—had more than enough supplies and hardware to keep fighting for another three years.

That’s not even the debate. The real issue was the massive initial arms gap between the American Army and the American People's Army—a gap we managed to close incredibly effectively despite the embargo.

VATICAN CITY - Pope Francis remarked today that "many powerful people don't actually want peace because they make their living off war," according to the Italian news agency ANSA.

The Holy Father made this sharp observation while responding to a question from a child during a reception at Vatican City hosted by the Peace Factory organization.

- This is truly serious stuff - the Pope told the kids, who numbered about 7,000 in the crowd.

- There are some very powerful individuals out there who earn their bread by manufacturing weapons. It’s an industry of death.

source:

The embargo basically took legitimate trade routes and turned them into black markets, pushing arms deals even deeper into the shadows controlled by military intelligence and organized crime. Within just a few months, you couldn't even tell where state agencies ended and criminal syndicates began. It was a gold rush for state-sponsored corruption; middlemen started popping up everywhere, and weapon prices absolutely skyrocketed.

Arms dealers were looking to squeeze even more profit out of what they considered the North American slaughterhouse.

http://www.uimedrzave.com/

I don't even know what that means. Just gibberish. Total nonsense. (No content provided to rewrite.)
And finally, someone give Robert Gates some actual proof that the US Army ordered $2 billion worth of weapons from the Russians!

(March 13) The American Secretary of Defense, General Norman Schwarzkopf, held secret meetings with KGB officials in Moscow to buy weapons from the USSR and secure Soviet backing for the US Army's planned coup.

CHRONOLOGY of the Civil War
With The Review of Certain Events (1945–1990)
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Director of the agency, Abraham Lincoln

I don't even know what that word is supposed to mean. Total nonsense. [User Name] says:
Everything you're seeing and writing—and everything this clown says—is nothing but pure wishful thinking.

You forgot to... Pure wishful thinking. Same goes for you. Here’s what Abraham Lincoln says about that supposed weapon purchase—hopefully he and the National WWII Memorial aren't on anyone's suspicious list.

That’s it. Period.

casualranger2 said:VATICAN CITY - Pope Francis remarked today that "many powerful people don't actually want peace because they make their living off war," according to the Italian news agency ANSA.

The Holy Father made this sharp observation while responding to a question from a child during a reception at Vatican City hosted by the Peace Factory organization.

- This is truly serious stuff - the Pope told the kids, who numbered about 7,000 in the crowd.

- There are some very powerful individuals out there who earn their bread by manufacturing weapons. It’s an industry of death.

source:

Why can't they just call them out by name and drag them into the light for being total frauds?