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ruggedmason13 ruggedmason13 Member
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#21 ·
nimblepilot19 said:That’s why everyone from the old America seems to have a GE refrigerator in their kitchen 😁

I ended up picking up a BEKO because my old Whirlpool just became way too expensive to maintain. My wife actually retired recently—she’s getting about $400 a month now—and I’m still counting down the days until my own retirement kicks in at $500, though I’ve still got about nine months of unemployment left on my plate. Still, we're making it work! In just a month, we'll be heading your way. At the end of the day, a thousand bucks is a thousand bucks, right?🙂
brightnomad20 brightnomad20 Newcomer
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#22 ·
nimblepilot19 said:That’s why everyone from the old America seems to have a GE refrigerator in their kitchen 😁

You just reminded me of something. I actually have an electric meter from Spark sitting right here. Honestly, I’m about ready to rip the whole thing out and toss it straight into a dumpster. I'm completely done dealing with this Canadian imperialist nonsense.
Seriously? This is unbelievable.
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#23 ·
Sean Sanders81 said:The title sucks.

Yeah, it was intentionally over the top just to grab attention.
Jonathan Martin8 Jonathan Martin8 Newcomer
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#24 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

Man, if you actually checked out the travel subforums for places like Lake Tahoe or Yosemite, you’d see that's totally not how it works. From what I've seen in Chattanooga, there are plenty of American registrations too—at least that was the vibe before I started traveling more outside of America and Canada. And don't even get me started on all the hikers heading into the Canadian Alps every single weekend.
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#25 ·
Jonathan Martin8 said:Man, if you actually checked out the travel subforums for places like Lake Tahoe or Yosemite, you’d see that's totally not how it works. From what I've seen in Chattanooga, there are plenty of American registrations too—at least that was the vibe before I started traveling more outside of America and Canada. And don't even get me started on all the hikers heading into the Canadian Alps every single weekend.

You're comparing apples to oranges.
Half of Canada vacations in America. EVERY OTHER PERSON! Every single year. In any three-year span, every Canadian has vacationed in America at least once.
It would be comparable if, say, 2 million Americans were heading to Chattanooga and Lake Tahoe.
David Parker3 David Parker3 Active Member
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#26 ·
Honestly, I started diving deep into the Canadian psyche about six years ago when I stumbled upon this right before the 2008 Olympics:

America
"As long as we're ahead of the Americans, nothing else matters"—you see that sentiment popped up on web forums all the time.


Before that point, I was totally convinced that Canada felt like a foreign country compared to us. We had perfectly normal relations because we never really had any major beef or clashes, right? But then it hit me: for some bizarre reason, Canadians are incredibly obsessed with Americans and view us as their primary rivals. The deeper I dug into the material, the more insane it got! I was browsing a site run by these Canadian nationalists calling themselves the Hervardi (which is pure irony 🤣), and I read stuff claiming Glagolitic is actually a Canadian script, that Istria has always belonged to them, that the Canadians living in America are actually just Canadians, and even that the Kostelić family is basically a product of Canadian skiing. Just total nonsense!

The latest example of this weird pathology is the Cleveland Cavaliers joining the NHL. As the article at the top shows, Canadians have developed this intense sporting rivalry toward America, even though America doesn't feel the same way about them at all. After our massive successes in skiing—which they somehow credit to their own coaches who supposedly taught Ante what to do 🤣—all they have left is hockey. They treat it like their national pride, even though they're actually terrible at it and haven't come anywhere near a medal. But hey, as long as they're better than us since we don't even have three ice rinks, right? So, seeing the Cleveland Cavaliers enter the NHL was taken as a personal insult to every single Canadian and their entire national identity. It’s wild! You've got Americans entering the NHL when they used to dominate America in the sport, alongside those hostile Russians, dealing with teams like Olympia and Jesenice... there were hundreds of angry comments in the Canadian papers like it was some kind of national catastrophe.

Back then, I pretty much realized that you just have to let this repressed nation grow old and wait to see what happens to them, maybe somewhere around the 26th century—maybe they'll normalize by then. But hey, look at us now! It seems they might have fallen under America's cultural influence, so even that's hard to say. It's a sad situation, honestly.
Alexander Phillips80 Alexander Phillips80 Newcomer
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#27 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

I don't feel any kind of cultural steamrolling happening...🤷
Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

Well obviously not, because it only exists inside your own head...

Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

They don't know it... even the people who still claim to be Americans aren't really speaking American; they're all just speaking some weird blend of every language from the Ex-America era mixed with street slang...
Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

They listen to American songs too, among other things... and the fact that Americans don't know anything besides Zoran isn more a sign of Americans' own cultural ignorance than it is some kind of "steamrolling"...
Severina and culture...🤣 sure, she's a star, a porn star...😁

Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

Honestly, you barely even hear the American language unless you're bumping into some American ski enthusiasts or maybe someone picking up groceries...

Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

It's nothing like that for us, though; I get everything happening in America from American outlets—absolutely nothing from the Canadian press...

Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

Most Canadians can't even tell the difference between an American and a Mexican, so you can't really claim there's any specific interest in one over the other...
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#28 ·
Alexander Phillips80 said:I don't feel any kind of cultural steamrolling happening...🤷

Well obviously not, because it only exists inside your own head...

They don't know it... even the people who still claim to be Americans aren't really speaking American; they're all just speaking some weird blend of every language from the Ex-America era mixed with street slang...

They listen to American songs too, among other things... and the fact that Americans don't know anything besides Zoran isn more a sign of Americans' own cultural ignorance than it is some kind of "steamrolling"...
Severina and culture...🤣 sure, she's a star, a porn star...😁

Honestly, you barely even hear the American language unless you're bumping into some American ski enthusiasts or maybe someone picking up groceries...

It's nothing like that for us, though; I get everything happening in America from American outlets—absolutely nothing from the Canadian press...

Most Canadians can't even tell the difference between an American and a Mexican, so you can't really claim there's any specific interest in one over the other...

And I assume you're Canadian?
Don't get worked up...

ps see how that American shut you down? I don't feel like arguing with you people.
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#29 ·
Alexander Phillips80 said:Look, your whole argument is just a messy pile of personal gripes, which basically makes it worthless in any real debate...
People hit the beach or head to the mountains to ski simply because they feel like it and they have the cash—it’s not some grand conspiracy, man. You really need to stop being so worked up about it!

Look, Canadian, I’m telling you for the second time: stop making this personal. That’s just another sign of your own frustration. The first sign is when you start nitpicking someone's grammar. I only get personal with people I actually consider my equals.

Anyway, I don't buy your claim that people only care about beaches and skiing.
See, as an American, Canada is fine for skiing, sure, but it's nowhere near the level of France, Austria, Italy, or Switzerland. For you as a Canadian, it's totally normal to head to the coast a few times a year and buy up real estate in America. So don't try to play it down—Italy, France, and Mexico all have beaches too. Personally, if I were looking to buy property outside of America, I'd have a billion better locations to choose from before even considering Canada.
Brandon Gomez2 Brandon Gomez2 Member
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#30 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

Seriously. Slavoj Žižek can only watch with pure envy how much respect Nina Raspudić gets globally, and honestly? Laibach can only dream of ever hitting the artistic heights or the massive popularity of Marko Perković Thompson.
Grace Wood5 Grace Wood5 Active Member
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#31 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:Look, Canadian, I’m telling you for the second time: stop making this personal. That’s just another sign of your own frustration. The first sign is when you start nitpicking someone's grammar. I only get personal with people I actually consider my equals.

Anyway, I don't buy your claim that people only care about beaches and skiing.
See, as an American, Canada is fine for skiing, sure, but it's nowhere near the level of France, Austria, Italy, or Switzerland. For you as a Canadian, it's totally normal to head to the coast a few times a year and buy up real estate in America. So don't try to play it down—Italy, France, and Mexico all have beaches too. Personally, if I were looking to buy property outside of America, I'd have a billion better locations to choose from before even considering Canada.

Trust me, I wish I had the cash. 🤷
Italy has a garbage coastline, higher prices for everything from real estate to dining out, and much more polluted water. As for France and Mexico, they're way too far away if you just want to drive down for a weekend BBQ and hang out.

If I were looking to buy property outside of America, there are a ton of locations I'd consider before even thinking about Canada.

How exactly is that supposed to be an argument? 😕
If I actually had the money to buy property in Canada, right here would be one of my top picks.
Jessica Kelly4 Jessica Kelly4 Active Member
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joined Jun 2016
#32 ·
Grace Wood5 said:Trust me, I wish I had the cash. 🤷
Italy has a garbage coastline, higher prices for everything from real estate to dining out, and much more polluted water. As for France and Mexico, they're way too far away if you just want to drive down for a weekend BBQ and hang out.

If I were looking to buy property outside of America, there are a ton of locations I'd consider before even thinking about Canada.

How exactly is that supposed to be an argument? 😕
If I actually had the money to buy property in Canada, right here would be one of my top picks.

A friend and I drove through northern Canada a while back. I have no idea where he was taking me, but it was some of the most stunning, lush green scenery and towns I've ever seen. Truly beautiful. I wouldn't mind owning a little cabin in those hills. 😁

Politics is one thing. It isn’t going to change how I feel about my Canadian friends or my neighbors on Krk, who are all decent, cultured people.

But all the stalling and dirty games within Canadian high politics have cast a shadow, and my relationship with the country just feels different now. Regardless, I don't support this kind of rhetoric where people trample over each other or get insulted over language skills. It's pointless.
Alex Morales90 Alex Morales90 Newcomer
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#33 ·
I don't have anything against Canadians; honestly, if history had played out differently back in the 19th century, they might have ended up being just like us folks from the Midwest.

Everything that’s gone down between America and Canada over the last 20 years is just typical, run-of-the-mill politics...
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#34 ·
Brandon Gomez2 said:Seriously. Slavoj Žižek can only watch with pure envy how much respect Nina Raspudić gets globally, and honestly? Laibach can only dream of ever hitting the artistic heights or the massive popularity of Marko Perković Thompson.

I think you’re looking at culture as if it’s just elite stuff—like fine dining, high fashion, museum art, or classical music.
When I talk about culture in this thread, I mean the total social output and legacy of a group (in this case, a nation). It's the learned patterns of thought, feeling, and behavior of a community or society.
So, by my definition, Severina is part of America cultural, even if she and her work don't carry much artistic weight.
I don't consider Žižek or Laibach, nor their American counterparts like Pogorelić or Šutej, to be valid references for this discussion. Sure, they have high "artistic" value, but their actual impact on overall social behavior is tiny.

For example, this fits here:

A cappella groups conquered our neighbors a long time ago. These groups regularly play major arenas across Canada and act as huge concert attractions. Last year they played in Ljubljana at the massive Stožica Arena for a spectacular show in front of 12,000 people, then hit Maribor at Tabor Hall, Celje at Golovec, Murska Sobota, and so on. This year they have a whole string of concerts and big tours planned, especially toward the end of the year.


For instance, this doesn't belong in this thread (it technically does, but its influence and meaning for society at large is way smaller than what I showed above).

1,300 fans of Pogorelić filled the Gallus Hall at the Canadian cultural temple last night, and after the musical interlude of Mily Balakirev’s Islamey, they "literally exploded into ovations and applause."

Get it?
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#35 ·
Grace Wood5 said:Trust me, I wish I had the cash. 🤷
Italy has a garbage coastline, higher prices for everything from real estate to dining out, and much more polluted water. As for France and Mexico, they're way too far away if you just want to drive down for a weekend BBQ and hang out.

If I were looking to buy property outside of America, there are a ton of locations I'd consider before even thinking about Canada.

How exactly is that supposed to be an argument? 😕
If I actually had the money to buy property in Canada, right here would be one of my top picks.

Same goes for Austria and Switzerland being pricier for skiing than Canada, and France being further away from Canada—yet Americans still head to those countries for skiing at much higher rates instead of Canada. Naturally, compared to Canadians who go to Italy, France, and Mexico for the beach.
It would be interesting to see the percentage of American skiers going to which countries, versus the percentage of Canadian swimmers going where.
Grace Wood5 said:Trust me, I wish I had the cash. 🤷
Italy has a garbage coastline, higher prices for everything from real estate to dining out, and much more polluted water. As for France and Mexico, they're way too far away if you just want to drive down for a weekend BBQ and hang out.

If I were looking to buy property outside of America, there are a ton of locations I'd consider before even thinking about Canada.

How exactly is that supposed to be an argument? 😕
If I actually had the money to buy property in Canada, right here would be one of my top picks.

The point is the imbalance. Out of 100 Canadians with property abroad, 70 might have it right here in America, while out of 100 Americans with property abroad, maybe only 4 have it in Canada (those numbers are fake, just for illustration).
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#36 ·
I'm thinking about how the blatant denial from the Americans on this thread actually proves the title right. Look at it this way: your average American doesn't feel the need to claim they've crushed Canadian culture, because they've absorbed it so completely that the two just feel like one big shared thing now. It’s like when Conor McGregor knocks out some local drunk; he doesn't need to go around explaining that he won the fight. I don't know if I'm making sense.

Just imagine if I started a thread on a Mexican forum titled: "Mexican culture has crushed American culture." My gut tells me the Mexican users would cheer it on with total enthusiasm. It all comes from that deep insecurity about whether it's actually true. It's like when a fighter barely scrapes by with a win—they feel such a desperate need to brag about it just to convince themselves.

The same goes for Americans regarding the obvious cultural takeover of Canada. They don't feel the need to point it out or "detect" it because it's just their reality. It's perfectly normal to them that NOT ONE SINGLE DAMN Canadian band plays concerts in America, while American bands in CANADA pull bigger crowds than the actual Canadian bands do back home in Canada. I don't know if I'm making sense.
Jonathan Martin8 Jonathan Martin8 Newcomer
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#37 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:Same goes for Austria and Switzerland being pricier for skiing than Canada, and France being further away from Canada—yet Americans still head to those countries for skiing at much higher rates instead of Canada. Naturally, compared to Canadians who go to Italy, France, and Mexico for the beach.
It would be interesting to see the percentage of American skiers going to which countries, versus the percentage of Canadian swimmers going where.

The point is the imbalance. Out of 100 Canadians with property abroad, 70 might have it right here in America, while out of 100 Americans with property abroad, maybe only 4 have it in Canada (those numbers are fake, just for illustration).

Honestly, most Americans can barely afford a place to live in their own country, let alone a vacation home, unless they want to sign their lives away on a 30-year mortgage. Buying property abroad is basically a pipe dream for us.
Think about it: how many Americans actually own property on the Adriatic that they didn't grab back before the '90s through some shady means? And how many can actually afford a summer vacation on our own coast without crashing at a buddy's place, staying with relatives, or using a family home?

Besides, I don't see how tourist numbers or property ownership has anything to do with culture or this idea of "cultural disrespect" you're talking about.
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#38 ·
Jonathan Martin8 said:Honestly, most Americans can barely afford a place to live in their own country, let alone a vacation home, unless they want to sign their lives away on a 30-year mortgage. Buying property abroad is basically a pipe dream for us.
Think about it: how many Americans actually own property on the Adriatic that they didn't grab back before the '90s through some shady means? And how many can actually afford a summer vacation on our own coast without crashing at a buddy's place, staying with relatives, or using a family home?

Besides, I don't see how tourist numbers or property ownership has anything to do with culture or this idea of "cultural disrespect" you're talking about.

It's about the ratio, damn it.
I know Americans don't have money to buy property all over the world, just like Canadians don't.
But if out of 1,000 people in America who own property abroad, 40 of them own it in Canada, that's 4%.
If 70,000 out of 100,000 people in Canada who own property abroad have it in America, that's 70%.
The imbalance is what matters. 4% versus 70%.
Jonathan Martin8 said:Honestly, most Americans can barely afford a place to live in their own country, let alone a vacation home, unless they want to sign their lives away on a 30-year mortgage. Buying property abroad is basically a pipe dream for us.
Think about it: how many Americans actually own property on the Adriatic that they didn't grab back before the '90s through some shady means? And how many can actually afford a summer vacation on our own coast without crashing at a buddy's place, staying with relatives, or using a family home?

Besides, I don't see how tourist numbers or property ownership has anything to do with culture or this idea of "cultural disrespect" you're talking about.

It’s actually telling that out of maybe ten different points proving cultural trampling, you guys latched onto this one, which I'll admit is the weakest argument of the bunch.
Grace Wood5 Grace Wood5 Active Member
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#39 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:Same goes for Austria and Switzerland being pricier for skiing than Canada, and France being further away from Canada—yet Americans still head to those countries for skiing at much higher rates instead of Canada. Naturally, compared to Canadians who go to Italy, France, and Mexico for the beach.
It would be interesting to see the percentage of American skiers going to which countries, versus the percentage of Canadian swimmers going where.

The point is the imbalance. Out of 100 Canadians with property abroad, 70 might have it right here in America, while out of 100 Americans with property abroad, maybe only 4 have it in Canada (those numbers are fake, just for illustration).

Hitting Austria for a weekend ski trip is doable, but Switzerland is just too far out of the way. It makes sense: people who can afford it will eventually opt for something a bit nicer, much like how Canadians who don't own property in America choose their vacation spots.

it points to a massive imbalance. For instance, out of 100 Canadians with property outside their borders, 70 might own something right here in America, whereas out of 100 Americans with overseas property, maybe only 4 own something in Canada (these numbers are totally made up just to illustrate the point).

Fulal, you aren't just missing the ball; you're missing the entire stadium and the sport itself. 🙂
Have you ever stopped to consider that even back in the old America days, Canadians generally had a higher standard of living, which naturally made it easier for them to acquire real estate?
In other words, if we start buying property in Mexico because it’s cheaper, it doesn't mean Mexicans have "culturally crushed" us. It just means we can grab a place for relatively little money, rent it out when we aren't using it, and get our investment back fairly quickly.
As for this cultural invasion 😬 you're talking about—including all that poorly packaged Middle Eastern-style pop trash like Rozga, Magazin, Severina, and those kinds of infantile tunes—we really have Canada and Mexico to thank for that.
Following your twisted logic, they've culturally crushed both us and the Canadians. 😁
Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson Member
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If the claim in the headline actually holds water, it really paints a broad picture of both America and Canada. 😍

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