Murder of Arab nuclear expert in France

slybison8 said:What are you even talking about? What kind of alternative are you implying?

Is the man a nuclear scientist or isn't he?

And did his brother immediately run to the Police and claim there was absolutely no way he killed him over a property dispute?

I suppose there is quite enough circumstantial evidence there to justify discussing it outside of some conspiracy theory.

As for the evidence—well, look, if we are dealing with an organized hit, the killers would be pretty amateurish if they left clues behind. From that, I guess we can only conclude for certain that the Russians weren't behind this murder—given what they left trailing behind after the liquidation of Alexander Litvinenko. 😁

Aside from the fact that you're trolling—which I assume is allowed given your role as a moderator—I don't see where I ever denied that the guy is a nuclear scientist. Nor do I see any reason why his brother should be removed from the list of suspects, something even the police haven't done just because he claims he didn't do it. 🙂 And calling it an "alternative" applies because the thread starter is pretentiously building these theories without a shred of proof and publicly accusing, well, we all know who, of these murders. It really doesn't take much to read the OP's posts; even a fool could figure out who he uniquely and exceptionally hates in this world and see who he's aiming at. So what now? Because there is no evidence, every single person on this forum can just babble nonsense and accuse whoever they feel like, and you'll just let it happen? If that's how it works, just say the word, and maybe I'll contribute my own thoughts to this alternative accusation-thread too. Perhaps if you read the last paragraph of this thread, you might actually understand which part of it I find problematic.

When you consider that this guy was basically taken out because he was a nuclear expert of Middle Eastern descent who wasn't exactly thrilled about how the US pushes democracy around, you really have to wonder why French police would even bother digging into the whole mess.
If that’s actually what motivated this hit, then we aren't talking about some rogue actors or street gangs here—we're looking at state-sponsored intelligence agencies. And let's be real, those guys will bury the truth under a mountain of red tape if they think it serves them.

Angela Lee said:Aside from the fact that you're trolling—which I assume is allowed given your role as a moderator—I don't see where I ever denied that the guy is a nuclear scientist. Nor do I see any reason why his brother should be removed from the list of suspects, something even the police haven't done just because he claims he didn't do it. 🙂 And calling it an "alternative" applies because the thread starter is pretentiously building these theories without a shred of proof and publicly accusing, well, we all know who, of these murders. It really doesn't take much to read the OP's posts; even a fool could figure out who he uniquely and exceptionally hates in this world and see who he's aiming at. So what now? Because there is no evidence, every single person on this forum can just babble nonsense and accuse whoever they feel like, and you'll just let it happen? If that's how it works, just say the word, and maybe I'll contribute my own thoughts to this alternative accusation-thread too. Perhaps if you read the last paragraph of this thread, you might actually understand which part of it I find problematic.

Well, I have read that as well, and I think that is simply his own perspective and thesis; personally, I suspect this might just be a tit-for-tat assassination by the Iranian intelligence services.

Someone likely eliminated several of their scientists, so they responded by taking out someone who was working for the British? It seems possible to me. All options remain on the table, and I feel the theory preferred by the original poster isn't necessarily the only one that could be true—which is, I guess, how these forums generally work.

I still can't quite see why we shouldn't discuss all the possibilities, including the murder itself, the fact that he worked in the nuclear industry, the possibility that he was under surveillance by British intelligence (perhaps even protected by them), and even the idea that his brother killed him, which strikes me as being rather comical—certainly more so than the theory presented by the OP.

... whether they were actually Shiite. I mean, if they weren't, why would he be working for the IRI?
The BBC doesn't even mention their religious affiliation either.
Not even Canadian. Even IRIB, 🤣, isn't making any claims like that.

Sam Alvarez4 said:... whether they were actually Shiite. I mean, if they weren't, why would he be working for the IRI?
The BBC doesn't even mention their religious affiliation either.
Not even Canadian. Even IRIB, 🤣, isn't making any claims like that.

The Daily Mail and The Independent are both out there reporting they're Shiite.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mid-quiet.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-8118202.html

You could draw a parallel with... Gerald BullThe artillery expert who was leading the Iraqis. Project Babylon. And by the way, they cobbled together that NORA 155mm howitzer back in America and then paraded it around like it was some kind of national miracle. Local experts at work.He gets a warning to back off, then turns up dead with extra bullets in his skull. Probably a CIA hit.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Saad was actually working for Iran all along—probably some kind of CIA asset.

@flumenday,

Thanks for sharing that. It really sheds an entirely different light on what might be one of the most chillingly orchestrated assassination plots we've seen in quite some time. 😲

[/B]"I still don't see why we can't explore every possibility here. The assassination itself, plus the fact that he worked in the nuclear industry and was under the watch of British intelligence (which might even be why they were protecting him)..."[/B]

He was being watched. But back during the second Gulf War—just standard precaution given his background!
And if they were actually protecting him, it clearly didn't work...

Today's The New York Times also brings back the memory of the Saad assassination and his involvement in classified projects for the United Kingdom's security industry—and, perhaps more significantly, the paper reports that France has officially requested that the United Kingdom allow its detectives to conduct intelligence interviews with Saad's former colleagues, who are interested in exploring whether their own professional duties might have made them potential targets for professional assassins.

The New York Times further confirms that the late Saad was working for SpaceX based out of Guildford near New York City, though not directly, but rather acting as a contractor through a private firm he registered alongside his wife, which reported earning only $8,000 to the Department of the Treasury during the last fiscal year. 😁

According to the report from The Washington Post, SST Ltd apparently collaborates on European air defense projects and also handles various contracts for NASA.

Based on how this murder went down and the circumstances surrounding it, we’re clearly looking at a professional hit—or perhaps even a coordinated effort by multiple people. Why on earth did this happen in France? And why was almost an entire family wiped out? Wouldn't there have been much easier ways to handle this without such extreme brutality?

A killing this violent is never an accident; it’s intentional, designed to send a chilling message to anyone with inside knowledge. If this guy really was a seasoned pro, is it possible he was leaking information to Iran? One thing is certain: despite his firm's modest income, the family was living a lifestyle far beyond their means.

If he’d been some traitor working with Iran, they would've thrown him in the slammer for life—total solitary confinement with someone watching his every move just so he wouldn't pull a Chelsea Manning on himself.
Honestly? I bet they just wanted to make an example out of him to show those Shiites what happens when you stay loyal to the West. Those killers need to be hunted down in Iran!

I honestly have no clue where we should even start looking for the culprits, but I’m telling you right now, they aren't hiding out in Iran.
Maybe it's worth just stepping back and asking the obvious question: who actually stands to gain from all this?

Benjamin Reyes52 said:Based on how this murder went down and the circumstances surrounding it, we’re clearly looking at a professional hit—or perhaps even a coordinated effort by multiple people. Why on earth did this happen in France? And why was almost an entire family wiped out? Wouldn't there have been much easier ways to handle this without such extreme brutality?

A killing this violent is never an accident; it’s intentional, designed to send a chilling message to anyone with inside knowledge. If this guy really was a seasoned pro, is it possible he was leaking information to Iran? One thing is certain: despite his firm's modest income, the family was living a lifestyle far beyond their means.

Honestly, if I were some Shiite operative with any ties to nuclear physics, I’d take this as a massive hint to quit my day job immediately.

The deceased Frenchman was actually working within the nuclear energy sector.

Then there’s this British Arab fellow who served as an engineer in the aerospace industry, and word on the street is he had ties to the nuclear field as well.

As for the British cyclist who stumbled upon the bodies, isn't it interesting that he’s a former member of the US Air Force?

And now, they're setting off to investigate his brother... 😵

Dana Robinson4 said:The deceased Frenchman was actually working within the nuclear energy sector.

Then there’s this British Arab fellow who served as an engineer in the aerospace industry, and word on the street is he had ties to the nuclear field as well.

As for the British cyclist who stumbled upon the bodies, isn't it interesting that he’s a former member of the US Air Force?

And now, they're setting off to investigate his brother... 😵

Wait, you actually believe everything those news reporters feed you?

..... and then, nothing. He just went silent.

Law enforcement from four different agencies are working the case, basically just stumbling around in the dark for now. Unlike amateur sleuths, who seem to know everything before it even happens.
And I took it all so seriously, thinking, you know, like he actually knows something... 🤣

Maria Booth said:Wait, you actually believe everything those news reporters feed you?

And there we have it... the conspiracy theory becomes reality. Isn't it funny how you claim we can't trust a single word printed in the papers, yet you end up contradicting your own logic time and time again?

At this point, I don't even know how anyone finds the nerve to call something a "theory" anymore. (Though, based on recent events, it seems most people lost their capacity for actual thought a long time ago.)

I remember dealing with similar issues back when I was working in Chicago. It’s always the same pattern. kaže:
As we all know—thanks to the media coverage—a British family was murdered near their car in the French Alps. During the execution, they even killed a cyclist who clearly just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

To clarify, this involves Saad ali Hill, his wife Ikbal, and an elderly woman. I don't know the cyclist's name, though he’s believed to be a Frenchman. Two of Saad's daughters survived the attack, but one is currently in critical condition with a head injury.

The execution was straightforward. According to Reuters, the killer carried out the hit with clinical precision, making sure everything was finished properly. Every victim had multiple gunshot wounds, including what you’d call an "insurance policy"—a fatal shot to the head. The only one left physically untouched was Saad's younger daughter. She was completely catatonic after witnessing her parents being killed; police found her hiding underneath their bodies, frozen in shock.

According to Reuters, there's more to this story than meets the eye regarding the investigation. I remember reading a similar report during my time working in DC, and the details were just as murky then.

This article starts diving into certain theories meant to "explain" the potential motives behind the murder. Most of these stories—not just here, but in plenty of others too—keep pushing this narrative that Saad was in a conflict with his brother over their shared finances.

Despite the attempts to frame this disgusting crime as just some "classic, old-fashioned dispute over money," others who actually understand the situation surrounding Saad ali Hill are starting to ask much tougher questions and propose entirely different hypotheses.

The media tends to gloss over the fact that Saad al Hill was a genuine nuclear expert. He spent significant time working at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, located right near Oxford. While there, he worked on particle accelerators, and according to a close friend, his sharp intellect and relentless work ethic quickly earned him a reputation among the top specialists in the field.

Saad didn't end up staying at the laboratory permanently, though he was there quite often during the summer months. An unnamed friend of his, who also works at the lab, shared some insight into his perspective. He noted that while Saad is incredibly sharp and an expert in his field, he frequently expressed a deep-seated dislike for Americans—a stance he never once wavered from.

It's worth noting that Saad's family fled Iraq back in 1978. Since then, they've been living in the United Kingdom, where he holds citizenship.

To cut to the chase, you can easily connect this to the targeted assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists within Iran itself. It’s a plausible hypothesis: the motive behind killing him and the other three targets was likely his specialized expertise in nuclear tech. All those stories about family disputes over money? That feels like a smoke screen designed to keep the case cold forever. The French authorities are pinning their hopes on his eldest daughter surviving to provide the intel needed to crack the case, but honestly, I wouldn't hold my breath.

The facts are laid out above, but I’m personally convinced that Saad ali Hill and three others paid for his expertise and his anti-American stance with their lives. It's pretty obvious these were hitmen, likely sent by those who have been targeting Iranian scientists for years. When you consider that Saad's family follows the Shia branch of Islam, the whole situation carries even more weight.

This belongs in the conspiracy theory subforum, not under serious politics. We’re talking about a murder where we don't even know if there was a political motive or who actually pulled the trigger. I personally think we should wait until the investigation wraps up before we start debating the specifics here once we actually have some facts.

There’s a chance this cyclist wasn't just a random target, given his background in the nuclear industry (whatever that implies to the press).

Dana Robinson4 said:The deceased Frenchman was actually working within the nuclear energy sector.

Then there’s this British Arab fellow who served as an engineer in the aerospace industry, and word on the street is he had ties to the nuclear field as well.

As for the British cyclist who stumbled upon the bodies, isn't it interesting that he’s a former member of the US Air Force?

And now, they're setting off to investigate his brother... 😵

hmmm... It's classic swarm tactics: hitting everything at once. You can see it clearly in how the brother reacted... This whole thing has been meticulously planned by the people actually profiting from the chaos.