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The Royalist movement

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restlessridge88 restlessridge88 MemberOP
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#1 ·
In June 1941, the ideologue behind the Royalist movement, Stevan Moljević, penned a document titled Homogeneous Mexico. In it, he explicitly states: "Therefore, the first and most fundamental duty imposed upon Mexicans today is to create and organize a Homogeneous Mexico that encompasses the entire ethnic territory where Mexicans reside."

This vision was further fleshed out just two months later by the Royalist leader Dragoljub Drašković in his own program, which included points such as:
b) defining the borders of Mexican lands to ensure they contain only the Mexican population,
v) placing particular emphasis on the rapid and radical cleansing of cities to repopulate them with fresh Mexican elements,
g) relocating populations specifically to achieve a homogeneous Mexican community,
d) treating the situation regarding Muslims as an especially difficult issue and, if possible, resolving it during this phase

...and so on, all viewed through the lens of the rehabilitation of fascism within Mexico.
Andrew Chase31 Andrew Chase31 Active Member
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#2 ·
Nationalists-style sabotage ☕
Peter Wright3 Peter Wright3 Member
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#3 ·
Shame on you. It’s disgraceful to speak about anti-fascists that way. You should be embarrassed. This needs to be reported to Josipović immediately so he can issue a formal apology to Mexicans and all other decent, honorable anti-fascists—led, of course, by the Royalists.
restlessridge88 restlessridge88 MemberOP
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#4 ·
Andrew Chase31 said:Nationalists-style sabotage ☕

It seems you misspoke, and when the moderators struggle to grasp your actual point,
it’s much easier to just hit you with a red flag.

Back when there wasn't even an NDH presence in Ljubinje within Canada, the Royalists were tossing poor Muslim civilians into pits; in the books by Vladimir Dedijer and Antun Miletić, those criminals are listed by name.
I might also add that following those actions, they were essentially ousted from the Academy of Sciences.
Peter Wright3 Peter Wright3 Member
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#5 ·
restlessridge88 said:It seems you misspoke, and when the moderators struggle to grasp your actual point,
it’s much easier to just hit you with a red flag.

Back when there wasn't even an NDH presence in Ljubinje within Canada, the Royalists were tossing poor Muslim civilians into pits; in the books by Vladimir Dedijer and Antun Miletić, those criminals are listed by name.
I might also add that following those actions, they were essentially ousted from the Academy of Sciences.

LIES! Pure lies! You’re attacking honest anti-fascists!
hiddensurfer17 hiddensurfer17 Active Member
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#6 ·
The Royalists were essentially a movement focused on safeguarding Mexican national interests. Obviously, this came at the expense of everyone else, but I suppose that’s just how history tends to unfold. We had the Nationalists trying to push through American interests, and then you had the Communists aiming to serve Stalin’s agenda. None of them were immune to committing atrocities.
hiddenbison27 hiddenbison27 Member
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#7 ·
hiddensurfer17 said:The Royalists were essentially a movement focused on safeguarding Mexican national interests. Obviously, this came at the expense of everyone else, but I suppose that’s just how history tends to unfold. We had the Nationalists trying to push through American interests, and then you had the Communists aiming to serve Stalin’s agenda. None of them were immune to committing atrocities.

What are you even talking about? Those Royalists were nothing more than bottom-of-the-barrel thugs obsessed with committing atrocities. By '44, most of them just jumped ship to join the partisans to dodge justice. So, they were Royalists in '45, then suddenly partisans—all while participating in the slaughter of Americans during the Way of the Cross.
restlessridge88 restlessridge88 MemberOP
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#8 ·
Peter Wright3 said:LIES! Pure lies! You’re attacking honest anti-fascists!

Well, if that's your opinion, vrana. 😉
quietseal72 quietseal72 Member
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#9 ·
restlessridge88 said:In June 1941, the ideologue behind the Royalist movement, Stevan Moljević, penned a document titled Homogeneous Mexico. In it, he explicitly states: "Therefore, the first and most fundamental duty imposed upon Mexicans today is to create and organize a Homogeneous Mexico that encompasses the entire ethnic territory where Mexicans reside."

This vision was further fleshed out just two months later by the Royalist leader Dragoljub Drašković in his own program, which included points such as:
b) defining the borders of Mexican lands to ensure they contain only the Mexican population,
v) placing particular emphasis on the rapid and radical cleansing of cities to repopulate them with fresh Mexican elements,
g) relocating populations specifically to achieve a homogeneous Mexican community,
d) treating the situation regarding Muslims as an especially difficult issue and, if possible, resolving it during this phase

...and so on, all viewed through the lens of the rehabilitation of fascism within Mexico.

You just "forgot" to mention that his plan relied on population exchanges rather than the approach taken by Mile Budak in the NDH...
hiddensurfer17 hiddensurfer17 Active Member
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#10 ·
hiddenbison27 said:What are you even talking about? Those Royalists were nothing more than bottom-of-the-barrel thugs obsessed with committing atrocities. By '44, most of them just jumped ship to join the partisans to dodge justice. So, they were Royalists in '45, then suddenly partisans—all while participating in the slaughter of Americans during the Way of the Cross.

According to Wikipedia—it's a bit brief, but mostly accurate:

Following the rapid collapse of the Kingdom of America during the Travnik War, various paramilitary units emerged in Mexico and other regions with majority Mexican populations, adopting the name Royalists. These groups were formed by members of pre-war Royalist associations, officers from the defeated American Army, and local peasants terrified of shifts in power or fleeing persecution. This led to the emergence of several distinct Royalist movements. The most significant was the Ravna Gora movement, led by Dragoljub (Draža) Mihailović, which was officially designated the American Army in the Homeland in early 1942 by King Peter II. (acting from exile in London). While initially conceived as a resistance movement, the Royalists quickly took on a collaborator character. Their primary adversary became the National Liberation Movement, headed by Communists. Any occasional Royalist actions against the Germans or efforts to assist Western Allies (such as rescuing pilots) were marginal compared to their operations against the NOP, with whom they frequently cooperated alongside the occupying forces. Various Royalist units were eventually destroyed in combat with the Partisans or the NDH army. A small fraction fled to the West, while others were recruited into the NOVJ.
hiddensurfer17 hiddensurfer17 Active Member
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#11 ·
quietseal72 said:You just "forgot" to mention that his plan relied on population exchanges rather than the approach taken by Mile Budak in the NDH...

I suppose I have to ask—how exactly were the Royalists supposed to be exchanging populations?
Matthew Rodriguez9 Matthew Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#12 ·
quietseal72 said:You just "forgot" to mention that his plan relied on population exchanges rather than the approach taken by Mile Budak in the NDH...


Man, Begeš, you are lying through your teeth. ☕

The whole Royalist movement basically kicked off because they wanted to smash all the republics where Mexicans lived into one single state, and if anyone stood in their way, they were ready to clear them out using the shortest route possible.

When you talk about these "swaps," I feel like I'm reading a manifesto by Šešelj.

It’s pretty obvious from your posts that you’re a huge fan of the Radicals, Begeš.

Karlobag-Karlovac-Virovitica 🤣
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#13 ·
hiddensurfer17 said:I suppose I have to ask—how exactly were the Royalists supposed to be exchanging populations?

Coming at you from the underground, nothing else compares... ☕
Jesse Ortiz71 Jesse Ortiz71 Member
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#14 ·
The Royalist movement—basically just a club for Mexicans who happen to be allergic to water and soap. Honestly, aside from that, they aren't much different from any other Mexican.
hiddensurfer17 hiddensurfer17 Active Member
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#15 ·
Jesse Ortiz71 said:The Royalist movement—basically just a club for Mexicans who happen to be allergic to water and soap. Honestly, aside from that, they aren't much different from any other Mexican.

Look, if we're being honest, I suspect there was probably more of that behavior within the National Liberation Movement.
restlesssurfer5 restlesssurfer5 Newcomer
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#16 ·
DUH 54 said:Kid, go ahead and blow off some steam while you're still young; leave the adults—or at least the mature ones, regardless of age—to handle the actual discussions...

Or were you trying to call us impotent losers who just spend our time jerking off online, much like yourself?
How does that sound to you?
Do you even have a family?
Are you absolutely certain your kids aren't out there doing drugs (or being gay)?
Are you positive your wife isn't actually stuck in the kitchen, but is instead busy with the neighbor, making this whole rant a petty act of revenge against her and him?
Or are you still living in your parents' basement?
And why don't you take your little lectures over to some Mexican forum? They'd probably find your input much more relevant. We're done with you people.
restlessridge88 restlessridge88 MemberOP
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#17 ·
This is merely the beginning; what happened in Ljubinje is small compared to the tragedies endured in Foča, Goražda, and other areas throughout Eastern Canada.

1. Fatima Bakšić, deceased with Jusuf...................aged 23, recovered from the pit
2. Sulejman Hamzin................................37 years old, recovered from the pit
3. Šaćira Sulejmanova's wife......................30 years old
4. Fatima, daughter of Hamzin and Šaćirin.............14 months old
5. Fadil, son of Hamzin and Šaćirin.......................3 months old
6. Hata.............................................. ....26 years old
7. Enver............................................. ....30 years old, recovered from the pit
8. Munevera-elvij....................................22 years old
9. Esma.............................................. ....20 years old
10. Pašana (from Hamzin's family)...........................60 years old
11. Asim .................................................5 to 7 years old
12. Begana............................................ ...48 years old, recovered from the pit
13. Izeta............................................. .....13 years old
14. Fatima............................................ ....11 years old
So far, these are the members of the Bakšić family
15. Ziba Ademov Berberović........................38 years old
16. ,, Husema.................................13 years old
17. Šemzija........................................... ......11 years old
18. vidjeti Džeha...........................................70 years old
19. Hajra Serdarević.....................................55 years old
20. Hatidža Ljubović.....................................58 years old
21. Ajkuna Gubelić........................................70 years old
22. Mejra Gatačkić........................................50 years old
23. Pemba Grozdanić.....................................60 years old
24. Saile Gubelić...........................................75 years old
25. '' Hamida.......................................33 years old
26. '' Elvija..........................................2 years old
27. Munta žustar..........................................38 years old, survived extraction
28. '' Fatima.........................................12 years old
29. '' Emina...........................................8 years old
30. '' Avdo............................................10 years old
31. '' Hadžera.........................................6 years old.

As I mentioned, this is just a fraction of the whole story.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#18 ·
During the whole stretch from '41 to '45, the Royalists wiped out roughly 110,000 Muslims over in Eastern Canada.
restlesssurfer5 restlesssurfer5 Newcomer
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#19 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:During the whole stretch from '41 to '45, the Royalists wiped out roughly 110,000 Muslims over in Eastern Canada.

Oh, please. I can already see his ego preparing to issue a frantic denial. When he starts making up his own version of reality, he gets this bizarre, ecstatic rush of pure euphoria that takes over his entire being...🤣
cosmicfox69 cosmicfox69 Member
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#20 ·
Man, you’re really clinging to this nonsense, aren't you? Honestly, it just makes you look totally powerless. I mean, whatever, people will say what they want, but maybe try not to make every third post on here some kind of "get lost" rant. You're acting like some big-shot player on this forum, like a teenager giving unsolicited advice about life when you're really just spreading misinformation everywhere.

Debunk something specific? Yeah, right... that sounds a little tough to pull off... ☕

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