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America has the highest taxes in the world!

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wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active MemberOP
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A study covering 86 different nations has revealed that America holds the title for the highest combined tax burden in the world. This calculation specifically looks at the combined weight of income tax and employee social security contributions for anyone pulling in $100,000 annually.

When you crunch those specific numbers, America’s combined rate hits a staggering 53.3 percent, according to a recent review of income tax and social security rates released by KPMG. The Bureau of Labor Statistics report used in this research placed a heavy emphasis on income tax percentages.

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The data suggests that while tax rates remain stagnant in most places, there is a general upward trend emerging this year. It seems governments are increasingly leaning on tax hikes as a primary weapon to tackle budget deficits. Much of this recent increase is concentrated in Europe. According to The New York Times, citizens across the European Union continue to shoulder the heaviest income tax burdens, with average rates climbing by 0.3 percent over the last year.

The report also notes that countries in Central and Eastern Europe still maintain some of the lowest income tax rates globally.

Regarding the situation in America, KPMG points out that although the top marginal income tax rate was dropped from 45 percent to 40 percent this past July—along with a few other tweaks to the code—the country still sits at the very top of the list for combined tax burdens. Following closely behind are Canada at 47.9 percent, Papua New Guinea at 47.4 percent, Greece at 44.7 percent, and Austria at 43.5 percent.

Paul Suchar, a tax and business advisory partner at KPMG, notes that when corporations decide where to station their workforce, taxation becomes a make-or-break factor. This is especially true for multinational giants deciding where to plant their regional headquarters.

"At the same time, tax authorities are under mounting pressure to identify and secure more revenue. In response, they are becoming increasingly sophisticated and aggressive in how they draft and enforce regulations, not just for income tax, but for VAT and corporate tax as well," Suchar explains.

According to KPMG, the seven-year global trend of declining top income tax rates appears to have finally come to an end.

On top of leading the pack in high taxes, America also finds itself near the top of the pile for unemployment. With a jobless rate of 12.4 percent in August, it ranked seventh out of 32 countries monitored by the U.S. Census Bureau, a group that includes major economies like the USA and Japan. Within the EU, Spain continues to struggle with the highest unemployment at 20.5 percent, followed by Slovakia at 14.6 percent and Ireland at 13.9 percent.
casuallynx8 casuallynx8 Member
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#2 ·
Forgive my ignorance here, but could someone clarify what exactly is meant by a "combined tax rate"?
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active MemberOP
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If only the folks over at KPMG could actually nail down an estimate of what we’re bleeding through all those direct and indirect taxes and fees. Not that it's even possible to get a straight answer. We're still looking at
Sales Tax at 23%
Fuel excise taxes plus that 23% Sales Tax
And what about local development fees? Maybe some percentage there?
Then you’ve got the special levies every time we grab a meal out
On top of that, consumers are getting hit by a massive forest of non-tax fees—water, sanitation, tourism surcharges... honestly, at this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. Chamber of Commerce started billing us for the air we breathe.
Plus, since everyone has to live somewhere, a huge chunk of the value tied up in residential property is basically just swallowed by non-taxable levies.
coppercyclist2 coppercyclist2 Member
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That’s what happens when we deal with a disproportionately expensive state. We just keep financing another chunk of our budget through deficits because we aren't collecting enough in taxes.
Devaluation and all that monetary magic won't fix anything unless state spending is slashed.

The headline feels a bit too "clickbaity" for me. I don't think we have the highest combined tax rate in the European Union; we're just near the top. Using $100k USD as a benchmark isn't a real metric—it's just an average.
I read a professional paper once, maybe from an economic institute or the International Judo Federation, comparing combined tax rates, and we weren't even at the maximum back then (about 5 years ago).

What we actually need is a real economic strategy and a comprehensive tax reform that accounts for every aspect of the economy.
Within such a reform, I’m a proponent of shifting the tax burden away from labor and toward consumption. It would boost competitiveness, attract foreign capital, and discourage consumption—which indirectly curbs imports(!!).
I mostly agree with the views held by unknown, though his thesis regarding the non-taxation of the first $1.75needs to be properly "put on paper."

Basically, excise duties, sales tax, and the like should go up, while income tax goes down.
None of this works without cutting government spending. That means lower salaries plus increasing the efficiency of the entire public administration.

Most people still don't realize the kind of catharsis coming our way via a massive drop in living standards.
Paul Anderson2 Paul Anderson2 Active Member
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#5 ·
I guess those "combined rates" are just a mix of taxes and payroll deductions taken right out of your gross pay.
Olivia Garcia60 Olivia Garcia60 Newcomer
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Payroll taxes are sky-high because a tiny fraction of workers is basically footing the bill for everyone else. On top of that, you’ve got massive tax evasion happening with freelancers, small business owners, and people faking retirement to pocket huge profits without giving a single cent back to the Treasury.

The sheer laziness of the people in charge is wild. It’s like they’re intentionally ignoring the literal rivers of cash flowing right past them. To put it bluntly, there are insane amounts of cash moving from one pocket to another under the table, and the government doesn't even bother to track it, let alone tax it. Any high school kid could point out at least ten spots where massive amounts of untaxed money change hands: farmers markets (where industrial-scale stuff gets traded), shady contractors, private doctors, landlords, mechanics, restaurant owners, handymen, loan sharks, truckers, construction crews, boat rentals, caterers, barbers, salons, butchers, bakeries, and more...

I agree that the only way out is to hike indirect taxes to curb spending and boost savings, while simultaneously cutting direct taxes to make our goods and services cheaper for foreign exporters. That would help tank imports and give exports a much-needed kickstart.

The catch is that indirect taxes are already through the roof, so there's hardly any room left to move.
nimblescout50 nimblescout50 Active Member
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#7 ·
Some guy—probably some high-priced economic analyst, I can't quite recall—was rambling on once about how hiking up taxes
would plunge us right into a "tax hell" here in the States. Turns out, we aren't exactly living through that apocalypse just yet.🤣
casuallynx8 casuallynx8 Member
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Paul Anderson2 said:I guess those "combined rates" are just a mix of taxes and payroll deductions taken right out of your gross pay.

If that’s the case, then the claim that we pay the highest taxes is simply inaccurate. Don't get me wrong—that isn't to say I'm an advocate for our current tax system (those who follow my posts know exactly where I stand on that matter 😁), but there are certainly nations with much heavier burdens. Take Sweden, for instance. Their state income tax can climb as high as 55%, and on top of that, employers have to shell out an additional 31.42% in contributions beyond the base salary 😁 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...qANvoQ&cad=rja)
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active MemberOP
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casuallynx8 said:If that’s the case, then the claim that we pay the highest taxes is simply inaccurate. Don't get me wrong—that isn't to say I'm an advocate for our current tax system (those who follow my posts know exactly where I stand on that matter 😁), but there are certainly nations with much heavier burdens. Take Sweden, for instance. Their state income tax can climb as high as 55%, and on top of that, employers have to shell out an additional 31.42% in contributions beyond the base salary 😁 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...qANvoQ&cad=rja)

Sweden's employer burdens are brutal
Retirement pension 10.21 %
Survivor’s pension 1.70 %
Health insurance 5.95 %
unknown 0.68 %
unknown 2.20%
unemployment insurance 4.65%
payroll 6.03%
total statutory employer contribution 31.42%
source: IRS

America portion of payroll taxes excluding income tax

Medicare/Social Security Administration: 15.00 %
1st pillar pension: 15.00 %
2nd pillar pension: 5.00 %
Employment contribution: 1.70 %
Workplace injury contribution: 0.50 %

Total AMERICA leads 37.2 %

Damn, we're beating Sweden by a mere 5.78 % when it comes to these levies

Hey politicians, we're clearly tougher than the Swedes—hurry up and hike these taxes by at least 10-20%

And if anyone tries to tell me we have enough untaxed income $600, well, look at Austria: anyone earning less than 999 Euros a month is considered poor and entitled to assistance.
What else should we tax? Social welfare cases, maybe?

When it comes to taxation, we're world champions, second only to unknown
and we even managed to snag a silver medal from the IMF for having the most disastrous economy right behind Kyrgyzstan
casuallynx8 casuallynx8 Member
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#10 ·
Where exactly did the income tax go? ☕
Steven Lopez20 Steven Lopez20 Newcomer
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casuallynx8 said:If that’s the case, then the claim that we pay the highest taxes is simply inaccurate. Don't get me wrong—that isn't to say I'm an advocate for our current tax system (those who follow my posts know exactly where I stand on that matter 😁), but there are certainly nations with much heavier burdens. Take Sweden, for instance. Their state income tax can climb as high as 55%, and on top of that, employers have to shell out an additional 31.42% in contributions beyond the base salary 😁 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...qANvoQ&cad=rja)

I'm not entirely sure if our taxes are actually the highest, but I do know that a specific car model costs us about 94 $0.00 while in Norway it goes for 200 $0.00. Maybe that's saying something?!
nimblescout50 nimblescout50 Active Member
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That kind of setup would probably run you about 50 bucks over here in the States $0.00.
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active MemberOP
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casuallynx8 said:Where exactly did the income tax go? ☕

Well, you only provided a link regarding payroll deductions, so that's why I answered the way I did.

Steven Lopez20 said:I'm not entirely sure if our taxes are actually the highest, but I do know that a specific car model costs us about 94 $0.00 while in Norway it goes for 200 $0.00. Maybe that's saying something?!

Sure, but in Norway, you get a fully finished, reliable vehicle that actually starts at -40 degrees. The stuff being sold in Eastern Europe or the North America is basically a semi-finished product made with cheap materials—just junk coming out of Europe and Japan. There's zero chance a car bought in America is going to start up in -40 degree weather.
casuallynx8 casuallynx8 Member
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wearytrucker22 said:Well, you only provided a link regarding payroll deductions, so that's why I answered the way I did.

Sure, but in Norway, you get a fully finished, reliable vehicle that actually starts at -40 degrees. The stuff being sold in Eastern Europe or the North America is basically a semi-finished product made with cheap materials—just junk coming out of Europe and Japan. There's zero chance a car bought in America is going to start up in -40 degree weather.

Look, I only shared a link regarding the base salary, 🙄 and if you aren't capable of using Google, that’s hardly my concern. If you're going to assert a specific thesis, the burden of proof lies with you to back it up, rather than expecting me to do your legwork for you.😕
Olivia Garcia60 Olivia Garcia60 Newcomer
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Steven Lopez20 said:I'm not entirely sure if our taxes are actually the highest, but I do know that a specific car model costs us about 94 $0.00 while in Norway it goes for 200 $0.00. Maybe that's saying something?!

In Norway or Denmark, car prices are high because of heavy excise taxes, which are indirect taxes. What we deal with here in America are some of the heaviest direct taxes in the world, slapped right onto every single taxpayer.

The whole idea is that indirect taxes are better because they're "invisible," making them easier for people to stomach. Plus, they're more flexible since they're tied to consumption, and they're way easier to collect without all the massive administrative headache.
Emily Nelson4 Emily Nelson4 Newcomer
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I just stumbled upon this research data point—$100,000 a year. Wow. I mean, wouldn't it be great if they actually conducted a study on people making $15,000 a year? That would probably be way more applicable to about 95% of Americans... I guess in countries with a higher GDP per capita, those larger figures are more commonly viewed as the non-taxable portion.
Emily Allen2 Emily Allen2 Newcomer
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http://www.economist.com/node/171985...98511&fsrc=rss

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wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active MemberOP
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Emily Nelson4 said:I just stumbled upon this research data point—$100,000 a year. Wow. I mean, wouldn't it be great if they actually conducted a study on people making $15,000 a year? That would probably be way more applicable to about 95% of Americans... I guess in countries with a higher GDP per capita, those larger figures are more commonly viewed as the non-taxable portion.

At $15,000 a year, you’re also getting social security benefits on top of that.

Monthly
Gross Income ,,,, $1,250.00
Taxable Income ,,,, $0.00
Federal tax ,,,, $0.00
social Security ,,,,, $95.63
State Tax ,,,, $0.00
Take Home ,,,, $1,154.38
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active MemberOP
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Steven Lopez20 said:I'm not entirely sure if our taxes are actually the highest, but I do know that a specific car model costs us about 94 $0.00 while in Norway it goes for 200 $0.00. Maybe that's saying something?!

Denmark hits cars with excise taxes of about 200%. Honestly, let Jadranka Kosor just go ahead and slap a 300% tax on new cars, then drop income tax to 15%, corporate tax to 15%, and Sales Tax to 15%.
Gerald Palmer66 Gerald Palmer66 Active Member
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wearytrucker22 said:Denmark hits cars with excise taxes of about 200%. Honestly, let Jadranka Kosor just go ahead and slap a 300% tax on new cars, then drop income tax to 15%, corporate tax to 15%, and Sales Tax to 15%.

I am right there with you on this one.

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