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Are bank CD requirements getting too strict?

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jadebear72 jadebear72 MemberOP
15 messages
joined May 2012
#1 ·
So, here’s the deal: when you want to close out a CD—like when a client keeps trying to break an auto-renewing term after the initial period ends—JPMorgan Chase basically demands you hand over your own copy of the contract just so the teller can "void" it. Their excuse? They claim it’s so "someone doesn't show up later with that contract." Which pretty much implies—and I'm betting this happens at other banks too—that the bank isn't just shredding the document, but actually pocketing the client's copy for themselves.

If the client refuses to hand over their copy, the teller insists they "have to" charge $17.

Of course, there's zero explanation for how paying those $17 somehow stops "someone from showing up later with the contract." It makes no sense.

But enough about that nonsense. My actual question is: which laws is the bank breaking by doing this? And what’s the move if they refuse to close the account (and return the principal) or if they go ahead and snatch $17 (whether through interest or by dipping into the principal)?

What would be the actual, legitimate way for a bank to terminate a contract? Shouldn't it just be signing an amendment to the original agreement where both parties agree to tear it up?

Because, look, from my experience, you keep legal docs specifically to protect yourself. The whole point of having *my* copy is so that it stays mine. If the bank needs another one, they can go hire a notary to make a duplicate.

On top of all that, this whole "you can't lose this scrap of paper" thing feels like those "unconscionable terms" you see in insurance—like when companies tried to deny claims for stolen cars just because the owner lost the accident report. The Supreme Court stepped in on those kinds of predatory clauses and started tossing them out.
Nicholas Turner Nicholas Turner Active Member
125 messages
joined Oct 2010
#2 ·
Your contract belongs to you—period! You aren't handing it over to anyone. It’s meant for your own personal files. A bank like JPMorgan Chase keeps its own copy, which usually ends up buried in some dusty filing cabinet somewhere. Honestly, they just get lazy trying to dig through their own archives and try to make things easier for themselves by grabbing yours instead. If they need to see it, just let them look at it—they can make their own copies if they're so desperate. Actually, you don't even strictly have to show it to them; everything is digitized nowadays, tracked, and cleared electronically anyway. As long as they can verify who you are with your driver's license, you're good to go.

Closing an account typically happens via a formal "request"—the bank just prints it out on one of those standard deposit/withdrawal forms, keeps one copy for themselves, and hands YOUR original right back to you.
mistyjackal842 mistyjackal842 Active Member
206 messages
joined May 2012
#3 ·
They actually asked me for my old contract too, back when I was trying to sign a new fixed-rate savings agreement in early November 2009. My very first one had been signed in early November 2008 for a one-year term. I honestly don't get why there was even a dispute about them needing to review that old rent-style savings contract... they just gave it right back to me anyway.

Is it possible for me to request a formal statement at the end of the year that lists every single deposit made to my checking account regarding this year's interest? I guess I’m just never quite sure if they’ve credited the exact amount of interest they're supposed to. Right now, the only way I can track it is by heading down to JPMorgan Chase every three months to pick up some tiny slip of paper showing the quarterly interest payments. It’s incredibly inconvenient, really, and the little thing is such a mess to read—it isn't even signed or anything.

In my experience, banks generally seem pretty reluctant to hand over official paperwork documenting interest earned on savings. I mean, why do they act like that? And I don't just mean with JPM. Surely I should have the right to see a clear, dated breakdown of exactly when those funds were paid out and what the precise interest rate was on my USD savings.
jadebear72 jadebear72 MemberOP
15 messages
joined May 2012
#4 ·
mistyjackal842 said:They actually asked me for my old contract too, back when I was trying to sign a new fixed-rate savings agreement in early November 2009. My very first one had been signed in early November 2008 for a one-year term. I honestly don't get why there was even a dispute about them needing to review that old rent-style savings contract... they just gave it right back to me anyway.

Is it possible for me to request a formal statement at the end of the year that lists every single deposit made to my checking account regarding this year's interest? I guess I’m just never quite sure if they’ve credited the exact amount of interest they're supposed to. Right now, the only way I can track it is by heading down to JPMorgan Chase every three months to pick up some tiny slip of paper showing the quarterly interest payments. It’s incredibly inconvenient, really, and the little thing is such a mess to read—it isn't even signed or anything.

In my experience, banks generally seem pretty reluctant to hand over official paperwork documenting interest earned on savings. I mean, why do they act like that? And I don't just mean with JPM. Surely I should have the right to see a clear, dated breakdown of exactly when those funds were paid out and what the precise interest rate was on my USD savings.

Would you be so chill if they hit you with a $17 fine just because you couldn't find that old paperwork? I've actually had a bank—Bank of America, specifically—just take my contract from me before.
mistyjackal842 said:They actually asked me for my old contract too, back when I was trying to sign a new fixed-rate savings agreement in early November 2009. My very first one had been signed in early November 2008 for a one-year term. I honestly don't get why there was even a dispute about them needing to review that old rent-style savings contract... they just gave it right back to me anyway.

Is it possible for me to request a formal statement at the end of the year that lists every single deposit made to my checking account regarding this year's interest? I guess I’m just never quite sure if they’ve credited the exact amount of interest they're supposed to. Right now, the only way I can track it is by heading down to JPMorgan Chase every three months to pick up some tiny slip of paper showing the quarterly interest payments. It’s incredibly inconvenient, really, and the little thing is such a mess to read—it isn't even signed or anything.

In my experience, banks generally seem pretty reluctant to hand over official paperwork documenting interest earned on savings. I mean, why do they act like that? And I don't just mean with JPM. Surely I should have the right to see a clear, dated breakdown of exactly when those funds were paid out and what the precise interest rate was on my USD savings.

Back when I held a CD under my business account, the bank automatically sent me a year-end interest statement. It broke down every percentage, how many days it applied, the specific amount earned, and the total interest for the whole period. Sadly, when I tried asking a teller for the current rate, it took them nearly half an hour just to track it down.

It’s pretty funny, though—for the exact same amount, currency, duration, setup (variable rate compounded), and start date, Chase gives individuals one rate (3.4% in this case), but for businesses, the rate is a tiny fraction of that (0.85%). Even though all the terms are identical, apparently to Chase, money isn't all the same.
Zachary Collins2 Zachary Collins2 Active Member
85 messages
joined Jul 2009
#5 ·
I’m honestly ready to close out every single one of my accounts at Wells Fargo! To me, they are easily the most disrespectful bank out there... it really feels like they treat everyday customers like they're just a nuisance rather than the people actually keeping them in business.
Especially when you look at this whole mess regarding the lost CD agreement—Goldman Sachs could honestly learn a thing or two from how they handle things! I’ve actually misplaced my own paperwork twice before (I’ll admit, I can be a bit scatterbrained sometimes 🙈), but they always make the process so seamless; as long as I have two forms of ID, they just release the funds, roll over the balance, and take care of everything without any drama at all...
Nicholas Turner Nicholas Turner Active Member
125 messages
joined Oct 2010
#6 ·
jadebear72 said:Would you be so chill if they hit you with a $17 fine just because you couldn't find that old paperwork? I've actually had a bank—Bank of America, specifically—just take my contract from me before.

Back when I held a CD under my business account, the bank automatically sent me a year-end interest statement. It broke down every percentage, how many days it applied, the specific amount earned, and the total interest for the whole period. Sadly, when I tried asking a teller for the current rate, it took them nearly half an hour just to track it down.

It’s pretty funny, though—for the exact same amount, currency, duration, setup (variable rate compounded), and start date, Chase gives individuals one rate (3.4% in this case), but for businesses, the rate is a tiny fraction of that (0.85%). Even though all the terms are identical, apparently to Chase, money isn't all the same.

I could just reach into your pocket and take $67 myself if you don't fight back! 😉 They rely on a combination of mobile apps and a little bit of a "surprise factor"—that’s exactly my point. Since they won't let you demand things or go around copying others, it’s incredibly convenient for them to just "burn" YOUR specific example.

jadebear72 said:Would you be so chill if they hit you with a $17 fine just because you couldn't find that old paperwork? I've actually had a bank—Bank of America, specifically—just take my contract from me before.

Back when I held a CD under my business account, the bank automatically sent me a year-end interest statement. It broke down every percentage, how many days it applied, the specific amount earned, and the total interest for the whole period. Sadly, when I tried asking a teller for the current rate, it took them nearly half an hour just to track it down.

It’s pretty funny, though—for the exact same amount, currency, duration, setup (variable rate compounded), and start date, Chase gives individuals one rate (3.4% in this case), but for businesses, the rate is a tiny fraction of that (0.85%). Even though all the terms are identical, apparently to Chase, money isn't all the same.

You simply don't do business with people like that. 👎 Cash is cash, regardless of its "skin color."
placidgull21 placidgull21 Member
17 messages
joined Feb 2012
#7 ·
Honestly, I walked away from Chase a while back because I just couldn't deal with them dictating who I could and couldn't send money to. It felt incredibly restrictive. For instance, I wasn't allowed to transfer funds to non-resident accounts at any local branches, yet through their online banking portal, I was supposedly limited to sending money only to foreign currency accounts held within Chase itself—which, if you think about it, kind of defeats the whole purpose of a foreign currency account if you can only use it for people who already bank with them.

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