Afghanistan - Megathread

velvetmarlin24 said:Well, according to rustywalker42 and his crew, the US brought down the towers. Don't you think they were just designed to collapse like that? The plane hit the upper section—not quite the absolute peak—triggering fires that weakened the top of the structure, causing it to fall downward with such force that it crushed everything underneath. Of course, gas explosions and other side effects probably helped the collapse too. Let's just stick to the facts.

And even if the whole thing was planned, don't you think it's unlikely that a detail like planted bombs would escape notice among thousands of people working in those buildings?
Think about the janitors, the contractors, and all the maintenance crews who had access to every single floor. Do you honestly believe none of them would have noticed the building being rigged with explosives?

velvetmarlin24 said:Well, according to rustywalker42 and his crew, the US brought down the towers. Don't you think they were just designed to collapse like that? The plane hit the upper section—not quite the absolute peak—triggering fires that weakened the top of the structure, causing it to fall downward with such force that it crushed everything underneath. Of course, gas explosions and other side effects probably helped the collapse too. Let's just stick to the facts.

And even if the whole thing was planned, don't you think it's unlikely that a detail like planted bombs would escape notice among thousands of people working in those buildings?
Think about the janitors, the contractors, and all the maintenance crews who had access to every single floor. Do you honestly believe none of them would have noticed the building being rigged with explosives?

velvetmarlin24;14863745 said:Because it was September 11th (though despite how much everyone claims to hate America, I see you all dutifully using their date format... whatever)... it wasn't just an attack on America, but on the entire Western world—or rather, its principles.)

The USA isn't the "entire" West. What the USA does on the global stage is something no other country touches, especially not civilized ones (and by that, I mean pretty much all of Europe). Right now, the USA stands alone as the world's sole imperial power, but they carry themselves with a level of arrogance and cruelty that makes any of their predecessors—the UK, France, Netherlands, Portugal, even the Roman Empire—look tame by comparison.
Spain and the UK have already felt the fallout of those bombs following September 11th, all thanks to backing American state-sponsored terrorism. It's funny how people always end up reaping exactly what they sow.

John Howard8 said:Have you ever actually heard the term "collateral damage"? Suppose one of those bystanders had actually been bin Laden; would you really argue they shouldn't have pulled the trigger? War is a brutal business, and there isn't always much room left for sentimentality or pure humanitarianism. Besides, if we're judging by the standards of people like Šljivančanin and Ratko Mercer, the Americans are practically saints by comparison. If this conflict were being waged by someone like Šljivančanin or Radić, they would have leveled several cities to the ground before even stepping foot inside, followed by massacres, rounding up survivors to be sent to Guantanamo Bay or Mexico City, and then moving on to the next town while issuing threats similar to what happened in Memphis. Things aren't quite as black and white as some people would have you believe. Of course, there are unintended casualties, and those are truly tragic, but we have seen far, far worse in our recent history. They managed to push the taliban back. It is almost certain that under taliban rule, the number of civilian casualties would have been significantly higher—not to mention the systemic oppression and the humiliation of women, which causes a level of suffering that is arguably more agonizing than death itself.

lonecyclist65 said:I have one straightforward question for you. If possible, answer it honestly and without the lies. Do you harbor a hatred for all Muslims and the religion of Islam in general, without exception?

Joseph Cox;14873962 said:

velvetmarlin24 said:The reason is that September 11th wasn't just an attack on the USA; it was an attack on the entire Western world and everything it stands for. (Though I noticed despite the anti-American sentiment, everyone still uses the US date format here... whatever.)
If I remember correctly, there was also a day of mourning for the Tsunami victims...

So, what exactly is the USA doing globally? From where I'm sitting, it looks like this country has actually helped pull some nations out of medieval systems.
I never said the USA *is* the entire West; I meant that September 11th was an attack on the fundamental values of the Western world. As hard as it might be for you to admit, the divide between East and West is still very much alive today. It’s pretty obvious, even to anyone paying attention, that citizens in the West are far more advanced and self-aware.
I really shouldn't have to start listing examples to prove that.

velvetmarlin24 said:I don't hate Muslims; I hate terrorists. Islam could be a great faith if it first managed to separate religion from politics. That’s the big thing. Beyond that, there are plenty of things within Islamic doctrine that really ought to be corrected.
It might surprise you, but I actually have some Muslim friends. And you know what? Religion is always the one topic that's strictly off-limits.
I should mention, though, that they are the exception to the rule—they've adapted so well to the society they live in. Some might say they aren't practicing "true" Islam, but there you go.
Personally, if someone in my family wanted to convert to any version of that faith, they wouldn't be welcome through my front door.

velvetmarlin24 said:So, what exactly is the USA doing globally? From where I'm sitting, it looks like this country has actually helped pull some nations out of medieval systems.
I never said the USA *is* the entire West; I meant that September 11th was an attack on the fundamental values of the Western world. As hard as it might be for you to admit, the divide between East and West is still very much alive today. It’s pretty obvious, even to anyone paying attention, that citizens in the West are far more advanced and self-aware.
I really shouldn't have to start listing examples to prove that.

rustywalker42 said:😂🤣

Kudos to them. Honestly.

rustywalker42 said:

velvetmarlin24 said:So, what exactly is the USA doing globally? From where I'm sitting, it looks like this country has actually helped pull some nations out of medieval systems.
I never said the USA *is* the entire West; I meant that September 11th was an attack on the fundamental values of the Western world. As hard as it might be for you to admit, the divide between East and West is still very much alive today. It’s pretty obvious, even to anyone paying attention, that citizens in the West are far more advanced and self-aware.
I really shouldn't have to start listing examples to prove that.

velvetmarlin24 said:I don't hate Muslims; I hate terrorists. Islam could be a great faith if it first managed to separate religion from politics. That’s the big thing. Beyond that, there are plenty of things within Islamic doctrine that really ought to be corrected.
It might surprise you, but I actually have some Muslim friends. And you know what? Religion is always the one topic that's strictly off-limits.
I should mention, though, that they are the exception to the rule—they've adapted so well to the society they live in. Some might say they aren't practicing "true" Islam, but there you go.
Personally, if someone in my family wanted to convert to any version of that faith, they wouldn't be welcome through my front door.

velvetmarlin24 said:So, what exactly is the USA doing globally? From where I'm sitting, it looks like this country has actually helped pull some nations out of medieval systems.
I never said the USA *is* the entire West; I meant that September 11th was an attack on the fundamental values of the Western world. As hard as it might be for you to admit, the divide between East and West is still very much alive today. It’s pretty obvious, even to anyone paying attention, that citizens in the West are far more advanced and self-aware.
I really shouldn't have to start listing examples to prove that.

velvetmarlin24 said:So, what exactly is the USA doing globally? From where I'm sitting, it looks like this country has actually helped pull some nations out of medieval systems.
I never said the USA *is* the entire West; I meant that September 11th was an attack on the fundamental values of the Western world. As hard as it might be for you to admit, the divide between East and West is still very much alive today. It’s pretty obvious, even to anyone paying attention, that citizens in the West are far more advanced and self-aware.
I really shouldn't have to start listing examples to prove that.

swiftcrane96 said:So, here’s our guy trying to take down the sheriff, but unfortunately, it looks like his hands are tied.

http://www.javno.com/hr/svijet/clanak.php?id=162938

Robin Hernandez4 said:Who? Al Gore? The guy who claims he’s out there chatting with aliens or whatever space-man nonsense? Give me a break.😁 Dennis Kucinich is basically a punchline within the American Community here in the USA, so it’s no surprise he’s a joke to the rest of the country too.

A government investigation team has confirmed that last week’s US airstrike in southern Afghanistan killed 47 civilians, including 39 women and children, according to the BBC.

Back when this first broke six days ago, the initial reports coming out of the province of Nangarhar suggested maybe 20 civilians had died during the US military operation. At the time, the US military was busy calling the mission a "success" and claiming they'd taken out militants.

Turns out, witnesses were telling a much darker story: the US military actually targeted a massive crowd gathered for a wedding ceremony.

Immediately following the incident, Afghan President Hamid Karzai set up a nine-member commission to get to the bottom of what went down on Sunday.

After finishing their probe, the commission officially confirmed that the US strike on Sunday left 47 civilians dead and another 9 injured.

"Our investigation shows that 47 civilians were killed in the US military attack and nine others were wounded, with 39 of those being women or children," stated Burhanullah Shinwari, the head of the commission.

The report also noted that the remaining eight people—not counted among the women and children—were teenagers between the ages of 14 and 18.

Just two days ago, the Red Cross released data showing that at least 250 Afghan civilians have been killed over the last six days due to various attacks and military operations.

Robin Hernandez4 said:Who? Al Gore? The guy who claims he’s out there chatting with aliens or whatever space-man nonsense? Give me a break.😁 Dennis Kucinich is basically a punchline within the American Community here in the USA, so it’s no surprise he’s a joke to the rest of the country too.