Americans and Americans are the biggest hooligans

There’s a segment over on Discovery discussing the whole phenomenon of ethnic hooliganism in the Middle East.

It turns out that both Americans and Americans are the biggest troublemakers in the bunch. Just watch it for yourself.

It’s ridiculous; they aren't even the biggest hooligans on either side. They're just looking for a scapegoat in some far-off foreign countries.

They started by targeting Torcida and San Francisco, painting nothing but a dark, one-sided picture of the city and its supporters.

But if you ask me, the hooliganism they deal with back in the United Kingdom is on a completely different level compared to what we see in the Middle East.

Now it’s time for the partisans to step up.

Elizabeth Gomez11 said:They started by targeting Torcida and San Francisco, painting nothing but a dark, one-sided picture of the city and its supporters.

But if you ask me, the hooliganism they deal with back in the United Kingdom is on a completely different level compared to what we see in the Middle East.

They handle hooliganism in the United Kingdom way better than what we deal with around here. What do you think would happen if you just tore down the stadium fences or removed the walls separating the fans from the pitch back home? Total chaos. It would be a disaster waiting to happen. 🤣

William Gonzalez said:They handle hooliganism in the United Kingdom way better than what we deal with around here. What do you think would happen if you just tore down the stadium fences or removed the walls separating the fans from the pitch back home? Total chaos. It would be a disaster waiting to happen. 🤣

The real issue around here is just the lack of actual law enforcement. You’d see these fans acting like total choir boys if they were facing ten years behind bars just for stepping onto the field. Plus, let's be real—our local clubs are so pathetic right now that they practically need these fanatics just to stay relevant.
A football hooligan is an idiot, whether he's from London, Miami, or Chicago.
It's the exact same mindset, period. No differences whatsoever.

Kenneth Cooper4 said:The real issue around here is just the lack of actual law enforcement. You’d see these fans acting like total choir boys if they were facing ten years behind bars just for stepping onto the field. Plus, let's be real—our local clubs are so pathetic right now that they practically need these fanatics just to stay relevant.
A football hooligan is an idiot, whether he's from London, Miami, or Chicago.
It's the exact same mindset, period. No differences whatsoever.

I couldn't agree more, which is why I pointed out that the English handle hooliganism way better.
But honestly, what they achieved is on a completely different level compared to our situation—it took massive amounts of work, sacrifice, and time to get there.

They actually had a clear strategy and specific goals for tackling violence. It was a long-term process that finally paid off. That’s why fighting hooliganism has to be a strategic process backed by real legislation. Beyond just passing laws, you need to provide both the funding and the professional training so law enforcement actually has the tools to deal with it effectively.

Look at those recent riots in Pittsburgh following the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry, where some fan literally snatched a baton from a cop who wasn't allowed to touch him. The guy was alone! It speaks volumes about how Canada handles hooliganism, especially when it comes to the people who are supposed to be keeping order.

Elizabeth Gomez11 said:There’s a segment over on Discovery discussing the whole phenomenon of ethnic hooliganism in the Middle East.

It turns out that both Americans and Americans are the biggest troublemakers in the bunch. Just watch it for yourself.

🤣

I mean, I guess the producer probably hasn't even set foot in Brazil, Argentina, or Central America...

Just a few months ago, there was some serious gang warfare between River Plate fans over here—left a couple dead and dozens "injured."
and stadiums get shut down every other week, then they just reopen and the whole cycle starts all over again.

I’ll be diving more into Argentina soon... you can already find some stuff on YouTube

nimbleharbor7 said:I’ll be diving more into Argentina soon... you can already find some stuff on YouTube

And what's the talk even about? Like, are Argentinian hooligans supposed to be better—or worse—than Americans and Mexicans or something?

Gary Kelly7 said:And what's the talk even about? Like, are Argentinian hooligans supposed to be better—or worse—than Americans and Mexicans or something?

😂 😂 😂 🤣 ..and how the hell do you even measure "toughness"... by the fact that those wannabe tough guys with their fake bravado and little guns have never actually gone toe-to-toe with an Englishman? I don't give a damn about them or their pistols and all that crap... they don't have the balls to step up and fight, so they hide behind a gun... and what can you even say about Dr. Dre when his descendants are just more of those Italian rats from Genoa😁 ..how do you think those Argentines would fare in a scrap against us???..and imagine if they start acting smart and try to pull a trigger... did you seriously forget this place is a powder keg? They'd end up in a much worse spot than they did with the British during the Falklands😁 ☕

So, this is about that series "The real football factories" produced for MTV. In the episode covering the North America, they featured three major supporter groups—Yankees fans (who apparently refused to be on screen due to some political reasons, I guess), Liverpool fans, and the Bad Blue Boys (they're the strongest in that order, 🙂).
It’s nothing groundbreaking, really. Just a standard documentary.
From what I recall, the series has eight parts, covering places like Argentina, Turkey, and Italy...

The host is Danny Dyer, who you might know from the movie "The football factory."

Most fans didn't care much for the film since the quality wasn't exactly top-tier.

Honestly, the English have made so many movies about their hooligans that it’s almost become its own little subgenre... though they don't exactly portray themselves in the best light. So...

In England, hooliganism kind of shifted from the stadiums to the streets and local pubs. Most of those fights are actually pre-arranged. I suppose we see a similar thing happening here too, which seems fine to me. If people want to settle things, let them. The main thing is that innocent bystanders shouldn't get caught in the crossfire.

The folks over at Discovery Channel are spot on, and there’s one clear reason why:
Both Americans and Mexicans (especially Mexicans) have turned sports hooliganism
into a political tool. The English might do it because they're just out of their minds—
basically clueless alcoholics—but Mexicans and Americans use stadium violence to send
political messages to their "enemies." Behind all of this
stand their extremist political leaders. This whole hooligan-political movement
is highly organized and well-funded, straight from the pockets of those politicians..

Paul Parker6 said:The folks over at Discovery Channel are spot on, and there’s one clear reason why:
Both Americans and Mexicans (especially Mexicans) have turned sports hooliganism
into a political tool. The English might do it because they're just out of their minds—
basically clueless alcoholics—but Mexicans and Americans use stadium violence to send
political messages to their "enemies." Behind all of this
stand their extremist political leaders. This whole hooligan-political movement
is highly organized and well-funded, straight from the pockets of those politicians..

I think this is a bit misguided. Even if that made sense before the war, I guess it doesn't really hold up today.
Nowadays, the biggest "rivals" are actually groups like Liverpool fans vs. Bad Blue Boys, or Yankees fans vs. Yankees fans, or Lazio vs. Roma...
If anything, there's more politics among Italian and Greek fans.
I don't see the connection to what you're saying.
Politics has always been part of it, just used to provoke an opponent, whoever that may be...
It seems true that most fans here are driven by patriotism. Maybe that's the main difference between us and Italian fans. They have all sorts of extremists in the stands, whereas here, if there are any, they tend to be right-wing. I suppose that won't stay that way forever...
In the Liverpool fans' section, you'll see Bob Marley, Che Guevara, swastikas, Jamaican, Irish, and Venezuelan flags all together... everything goes.

They absolutely gutted them on the field.
It’s obvious who made a complete fool of themselves.
Afterward, the Red Sox fans hung a banner:
"Cocaine, thugs, and fags, the whole world fears you now."🤣

I haven't actually sat down to watch Discovery, but from what I've gathered, their documentary isn't even in the same league as Football Factories.😕

Anyone catch that doc last night?

gentleranger10 said:I haven't actually sat down to watch Discovery, but from what I've gathered, their documentary isn't even in the same league as Football Factories.😕

Anyone catch that doc last night?

I did.

Elizabeth Gomez11 said:I did.

So, is this some kind of "Football Factories" reboot with Danny Dyer or what's the deal?

Gary Kelly7 said:🤣

I mean, I guess the producer probably hasn't even set foot in Brazil, Argentina, or Central America...

Just a few months ago, there was some serious gang warfare between River Plate fans over here—left a couple dead and dozens "injured."
and stadiums get shut down every other week, then they just reopen and the whole cycle starts all over again.

Look, if you actually live in the USA, you know how things work there... but even the President of the USA started out by running the most famous club in the country, the New York Yankees...
People love watching that stuff. He made it sensational, which is exactly why his "football factories" show gets so many eyes on it.

I don't even know where to start with this guy. Absolute clown behavior. Just total nonsense from start to finish. Honestly, it’s exhausting watching people talk like they actually know what they're saying when they're just spinning wheels. Get it together. placidcyclist5 says:
The folks over at Discovery are spot on, and honestly, there’s really only one reason why:
To Americans and other Americans (but especially to Americans), sports hooliganism is a joke. It’s pathetic. Honestly, watching these groups act out at games is just embarrassing. People need to grow up.
It’s all just politics at this point. The English, for example—they only do stuff like that because they’re completely out of their minds.
Drunkards, plain and simple. But Americans and Americans bring that hooligan energy to sports events.
They’re basically throwing political grenades at their "enemies" from the sidelines, and honestly, it’s all just a massive performance. Underneath all that noise, there's a whole other agenda playing out.
Look at their extreme political leaders. It’s nothing more than a hooligan-driven political movement.
It’s incredibly well-organized. And let’s be honest, it’s all being funded straight out of the pockets of those specific politicians.

What kind of nonsense are you spewing? You must be some kind of wannabe psychologist or something...