A - Austria

Parties like the Republican Party, the National Front, the AFD, or the Social Democrats are just gonna keep gaining ground as long as the European Union keeps trying to force this failed version of multiculturalism down everyone's throats. It’s like they’re actively trying to push anyone with a different opinion or anyone questioning the EU’s immigration policies to the fringes. Honestly, there's zero culture of actual dialogue happening, which just plays right into the hands of these parties. They end up looking like heroes because they’re supposedly telling the "hard truths" and fighting against the establishment. I mean, it’s no surprise that even the National Front is seeing more support from immigrants—even those coming from the Middle East—because, let's be real, the average person is sick and tired of being lumped in with that tiny minority of troublemakers. It's exhausting. Look at Sweden, where groups like Tommy Deogan's crowd are actually siding with their Social Democrats... that alone should be a massive wake-up call to the people in power that something is seriously broken. Right now, these mainstream, cookie-cutter parties can still hold these extreme groups back by forming these weird, unnatural coalitions between traditional political enemies. But if they keep going down this path? Eventually, they won't be able to control it anymore, and then everything is just gonna go south fast.

Scott Rodriguez19 said:It’s not harmful—I mean, since when has democracy ever been harmful?
I guess I don't really see any radicalization happening. Maybe I just see a bunch of voters who feel let down by the current establishment and feel like their trust was misplaced.
I'm not quite sure what you think is wrong with society getting more extreme on all sides, though.

We’re looking at a cycle where one kind of radicalism just feeds into the next. It feels pretty natural, so I wouldn't call it "bad" per se. I suppose the Republican Party knows this well, which is why I figured they wouldn't mind ISIS radicalism—they might even cheer it on because it helps them get votes. Whether that stuff is actually good for the country doesn't seem to matter to them. They’ll probably say it's bad for society, but I think they’re doing everything they can to make sure it works in their favor.
It seems like maybe you're making a similar point, acting like ISIS radicalism isn't an issue just to use it as a tool for your own political goals, much like the Republican Party does.
If that's the case, I guess we can't really have a productive talk, because I see that radicalism as a link in a chain we need to break, while you seem to view it as a valid way to get things done.

I don't necessarily want the Republican Party to be strong; I just want the coalitions currently in power to lose. Since those groups teamed up just to split power rather than actually helping people, I guess the nationalists are the only option left. It’s not that I support the Republican Party—I actually wasn't a fan back during the Jörg Haider days. But I suppose they're a lesser evil compared to what the European Union bureaucracy is planning for us. 🙂

My only real worry is that if the Republican Party takes over, they'll just end up being corrupt. We've seen enough history to know they and corruption tend to get along.

Well, I hope they just stop at corruption. Last time populists and nationalists took over in certain parts of Europe (because the moderates messed up), millions died. I guess politics built on racism just can't have a positive outcome. It’s weird how we haven't learned that lesson yet.

Sandra Johnson58 said:Parties like the Republican Party, the National Front, the AFD, or the Social Democrats are just gonna keep gaining ground as long as the European Union keeps trying to force this failed version of multiculturalism down everyone's throats. It’s like they’re actively trying to push anyone with a different opinion or anyone questioning the EU’s immigration policies to the fringes. Honestly, there's zero culture of actual dialogue happening, which just plays right into the hands of these parties. They end up looking like heroes because they’re supposedly telling the "hard truths" and fighting against the establishment. I mean, it’s no surprise that even the National Front is seeing more support from immigrants—even those coming from the Middle East—because, let's be real, the average person is sick and tired of being lumped in with that tiny minority of troublemakers. It's exhausting. Look at Sweden, where groups like Tommy Deogan's crowd are actually siding with their Social Democrats... that alone should be a massive wake-up call to the people in power that something is seriously broken. Right now, these mainstream, cookie-cutter parties can still hold these extreme groups back by forming these weird, unnatural coalitions between traditional political enemies. But if they keep going down this path? Eventually, they won't be able to control it anymore, and then everything is just gonna go south fast.

So, you don't see an issue with being associated with the troublemakers? And you aren't doing anything about it? Not really—you're basically just siding with the majority against a problematic minority. We all love pointing fingers at politicians, but we rarely do the actual work needed to stop things from falling apart. It feels like history repeating itself, where people get blamed for things they can't control, and then once the chaos settles, everyone will just claim they had nothing to do with it.

Nathan Morris3 said:We’re looking at a cycle where one kind of radicalism just feeds into the next. It feels pretty natural, so I wouldn't call it "bad" per se. I suppose the Republican Party knows this well, which is why I figured they wouldn't mind ISIS radicalism—they might even cheer it on because it helps them get votes. Whether that stuff is actually good for the country doesn't seem to matter to them. They’ll probably say it's bad for society, but I think they’re doing everything they can to make sure it works in their favor.
It seems like maybe you're making a similar point, acting like ISIS radicalism isn't an issue just to use it as a tool for your own political goals, much like the Republican Party does.
If that's the case, I guess we can't really have a productive talk, because I see that radicalism as a link in a chain we need to break, while you seem to view it as a valid way to get things done.

I don't necessarily want the Republican Party to be strong; I just want the coalitions currently in power to lose. Since those groups teamed up just to split power rather than actually helping people, I guess the nationalists are the only option left. It’s not that I support the Republican Party—I actually wasn't a fan back during the Jörg Haider days. But I suppose they're a lesser evil compared to what the European Union bureaucracy is planning for us. 🙂

My only real worry is that if the Republican Party takes over, they'll just end up being corrupt. We've seen enough history to know they and corruption tend to get along.

Well, I hope they just stop at corruption. Last time populists and nationalists took over in certain parts of Europe (because the moderates messed up), millions died. I guess politics built on racism just can't have a positive outcome. It’s weird how we haven't learned that lesson yet.

Look, I have no idea what "we" had—I wasn't living through that era. Back then, people didn't even carry smartphones in their pockets.

Nathan Morris3 said:So, you don't see an issue with being associated with the troublemakers? And you aren't doing anything about it? Not really—you're basically just siding with the majority against a problematic minority. We all love pointing fingers at politicians, but we rarely do the actual work needed to stop things from falling apart. It feels like history repeating itself, where people get blamed for things they can't control, and then once the chaos settles, everyone will just claim they had nothing to do with it.

I'm honestly just wondering how you jumped from "people in MY area are starting to lean toward the damn National Front because they hate being associated with a certain group causing issues" to "so you must support these extreme parties." Like, wow. Thank God I'm not that narrow-minded, because I know most immigrants are just decent, regular people. Honestly, you're making a huge mistake right out of the gate by assuming all immigrants are the same thing. They aren't some giant, identical blob. There’s actually a massive amount of intolerance between different groups within immigrant communities too, if you think about it.

Sandra Johnson58 said:I'm honestly just wondering how you jumped from "people in MY area are starting to lean toward the damn National Front because they hate being associated with a certain group causing issues" to "so you must support these extreme parties." Like, wow. Thank God I'm not that narrow-minded, because I know most immigrants are just decent, regular people. Honestly, you're making a huge mistake right out of the gate by assuming all immigrants are the same thing. They aren't some giant, identical blob. There’s actually a massive amount of intolerance between different groups within immigrant communities too, if you think about it.

What do you mean by "my area"? Like, the Middle East and Afghanistan?
Sorry about the typo, my bad.

By the way, you're making the mistake of thinking all immigrants are the same and should be treated as one big group, which isn't true. Immigrants aren't a monolith, and you can't treat them that way since there's so much tension between different groups with immigrant backgrounds.

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I guess I've been saying all along that they aren't all the same, and that the 99% shouldn't be judged because of the 1% causing issues. Maybe you just missed that part.

Nathan Morris3 said:What do you mean by "my area"? Like, the Middle East and Afghanistan?
Sorry about the typo, my bad.

By the way, you're making the mistake of thinking all immigrants are the same and should be treated as one big group, which isn't true. Immigrants aren't a monolith, and you can't treat them that way since there's so much tension between different groups with immigrant backgrounds.

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I guess I've been saying all along that they aren't all the same, and that the 99% shouldn't be judged because of the 1% causing issues. Maybe you just missed that part.

Yeah, my bad, I totally missed that I messed up what I wrote.

Nathan Morris3 said:What do you mean by "my area"? Like, the Middle East and Afghanistan?
Sorry about the typo, my bad.

By the way, you're making the mistake of thinking all immigrants are the same and should be treated as one big group, which isn't true. Immigrants aren't a monolith, and you can't treat them that way since there's so much tension between different groups with immigrant backgrounds.

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I guess I've been saying all along that they aren't all the same, and that the 99% shouldn't be judged because of the 1% causing issues. Maybe you just missed that part.

Look, when I say not everyone is the same, I’m talking about cultural differences too. It’s not like every immigrant group has the exact same crime rates; that stuff varies a ton. A big part of it is just tied to where they’re coming from and the whole social structure of their home countries. You shouldn't lump everyone together—that's obviously wrong—but we still have to deal with crime within certain minorities instead of just sweeping it under the rug. That’s what happened with all those different attacks across Europe during New Year's. I mean, look at Sweden. There was this one festival in Stockholm where young women were being harassed and even raped for years, and they basically covered it up because they were terrified it would trigger some kind of anti-immigrant backlash.🤣So now we’re looking at a situation where the Republicans are actually leading the polls. Honestly, when you try to cover up the truth like this, you’re basically just handing a massive megaphone to xenophobes and racists. It gives them all the ammo they need to push their version of reality—which usually boils down to "they're all the same"—and then you end up making them look like heroes just because they're standing up to the establishment. These kinds of parties used to be stuck on the fringes, you know? Back when you could actually say what you were thinking—like pointing out that certain immigrant groups aren't really integrating, aren't working, or have disproportionately high crime rates relative to their population size. But today? If you even mention that, people immediately start screaming "racism" and "xenophobia." Like, seriously. In places like Sweden, there's stuff like 80% of the Somali community being unemployed, but you can't even bring that up because apparently, it's too hurtful to their feelings. I guess that's just how it works now.

Sandra Johnson58 said:Yeah, my bad, I totally missed that I messed up what I wrote.

Look, when I say not everyone is the same, I’m talking about cultural differences too. It’s not like every immigrant group has the exact same crime rates; that stuff varies a ton. A big part of it is just tied to where they’re coming from and the whole social structure of their home countries. You shouldn't lump everyone together—that's obviously wrong—but we still have to deal with crime within certain minorities instead of just sweeping it under the rug. That’s what happened with all those different attacks across Europe during New Year's. I mean, look at Sweden. There was this one festival in Stockholm where young women were being harassed and even raped for years, and they basically covered it up because they were terrified it would trigger some kind of anti-immigrant backlash.🤣So now we’re looking at a situation where the Republicans are actually leading the polls. Honestly, when you try to cover up the truth like this, you’re basically just handing a massive megaphone to xenophobes and racists. It gives them all the ammo they need to push their version of reality—which usually boils down to "they're all the same"—and then you end up making them look like heroes just because they're standing up to the establishment. These kinds of parties used to be stuck on the fringes, you know? Back when you could actually say what you were thinking—like pointing out that certain immigrant groups aren't really integrating, aren't working, or have disproportionately high crime rates relative to their population size. But today? If you even mention that, people immediately start screaming "racism" and "xenophobia." Like, seriously. In places like Sweden, there's stuff like 80% of the Somali community being unemployed, but you can't even bring that up because apparently, it's too hurtful to their feelings. I guess that's just how it works now.

Yeah, for sure they aren't all the same—I feel like I'm always mentioning that, too. There are definitely big cultural gaps sometimes, which I guess could lead to issues. But we have our own laws here and everyone's supposed to follow them, so I don't really think anyone is actually challenging that.

I don't know much about cover-ups happening in Austria, I guess. The police are pretty close with the Republican Party anyway, and it seems like it would be tough to hide anything in the legal system. I’m all for transparency, though that usually means the media needs to actually report things objectively. There are over 800 rapes in Austria every year, and more than 60% are committed by Austrians—even if foreigners get all the attention per capita. The issue is that nobody writes about a rape committed by an Austrian because it doesn't interest anyone, but everyone in Austria knows when it's someone from Iraq.

I don't know much about Sweden, but I find it hard to believe an executive in Austria would really withhold info just to avoid hurting someone's feelings. Though, I guess it might make sense if they were trying to prevent actual chaos or mob mentality. Their main job is keeping the peace, not managing emotions, so maybe that applies to Sweden too? Either way, the police have to process crimes and file reports—that part shouldn't be flexible at all. But when it comes to what they tell the public, I suppose they have to prioritize public order over people's curiosity. People will probably never agree on where that line should be drawn.

I guess I’m all for total transparency and being objective, but like, it really has to be consistent across the board.

I guess the issue with politicians is that most of them, regardless of their party, tie their whole careers to specific issues they can't even control. It makes objectivity pretty much impossible, I suppose. You end up with one side blowing things out of proportion while the other tries to sweep everything under the rug. That’s probably why you can't really trust them too much. Personally, I don't defend any of them; I just tend to push back against any policy rooted in racism or hate, because history shows us exactly where that path leads.

Nathan Morris3 said:Yeah, for sure they aren't all the same—I feel like I'm always mentioning that, too. There are definitely big cultural gaps sometimes, which I guess could lead to issues. But we have our own laws here and everyone's supposed to follow them, so I don't really think anyone is actually challenging that.

I don't know much about cover-ups happening in Austria, I guess. The police are pretty close with the Republican Party anyway, and it seems like it would be tough to hide anything in the legal system. I’m all for transparency, though that usually means the media needs to actually report things objectively. There are over 800 rapes in Austria every year, and more than 60% are committed by Austrians—even if foreigners get all the attention per capita. The issue is that nobody writes about a rape committed by an Austrian because it doesn't interest anyone, but everyone in Austria knows when it's someone from Iraq.

I don't know much about Sweden, but I find it hard to believe an executive in Austria would really withhold info just to avoid hurting someone's feelings. Though, I guess it might make sense if they were trying to prevent actual chaos or mob mentality. Their main job is keeping the peace, not managing emotions, so maybe that applies to Sweden too? Either way, the police have to process crimes and file reports—that part shouldn't be flexible at all. But when it comes to what they tell the public, I suppose they have to prioritize public order over people's curiosity. People will probably never agree on where that line should be drawn.

I guess I’m all for total transparency and being objective, but like, it really has to be consistent across the board.

I guess the issue with politicians is that most of them, regardless of their party, tie their whole careers to specific issues they can't even control. It makes objectivity pretty much impossible, I suppose. You end up with one side blowing things out of proportion while the other tries to sweep everything under the rug. That’s probably why you can't really trust them too much. Personally, I don't defend any of them; I just tend to push back against any policy rooted in racism or hate, because history shows us exactly where that path leads.

Exactly. This whole situation is headed for a disaster. My advice? Just make sure you invest in some high-quality running shoes—that way, when things inevitably go south, you can actually make a quick exit.🙂

So, I was just looking at some news and wow, looks like two fresh polls are showing Hofer taking the lead!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austri...#Opinion_polls

New Poll Results:


Party preference:



http://www.cnn.com/politics/polling-data/235248837

Carol Newman2 said:New Poll Results:


Party preference:



http://www.cnn.com/politics/polling-data/235248837

Man, Austria and their polls 😵
I guess I don't know if they tweaked this one after that huge recent disaster.

BTW, some pollster actually called me earlier, and I told them I’d be voting for Hofer. I figured, hey, if I'm not getting paid for my opinion, I might as well try to sway things a little bit. 😁

I personally know of two sexual assaults that never even made the news... so I’m seeing the cover-ups firsthand. Once Hofer wins and the Republican Party gets close to taking control of Parliament, you can bet all those "tree rapes" will suddenly start appearing in the headlines...

It honestly just amuses me how my fellow Austrians act so shocked by this growing sense of insecurity—and by the stories they hear (which stay out of the newspapers). We are heading straight into a disaster, and my only real sympathy is for the innocent people who didn't deserve any of this. Every single advocate for uncontrolled immigration should try living with ten random immigrants in their own apartment for a while. They should have children—at least one girl—who aren't allowed to be fully embraced or wander out between 8 and 10 at night, and then we can see how long it takes before she loses her innocence against her will...

It’s just sad how little common sense and observation is actually being used these days... it's very similar to the transgender nonsense going on in America....

Chris Chase5 said:I personally know of two sexual assaults that never even made the news... so I’m seeing the cover-ups firsthand. Once Hofer wins and the Republican Party gets close to taking control of Parliament, you can bet all those "tree rapes" will suddenly start appearing in the headlines...

It honestly just amuses me how my fellow Austrians act so shocked by this growing sense of insecurity—and by the stories they hear (which stay out of the newspapers). We are heading straight into a disaster, and my only real sympathy is for the innocent people who didn't deserve any of this. Every single advocate for uncontrolled immigration should try living with ten random immigrants in their own apartment for a while. They should have children—at least one girl—who aren't allowed to be fully embraced or wander out between 8 and 10 at night, and then we can see how long it takes before she loses her innocence against her will...

It’s just sad how little common sense and observation is actually being used these days... it's very similar to the transgender nonsense going on in America....

Sorry, but just give me one single reason why CNN or any local news outlet would cover up an incident involving migrants. They actually put migrant incidents right on the front page, whereas cases like this get buried way in the back of the paper:

http://www.nachrichten.at/oberoester...n;art4,2230538

It's honestly kind of funny to me how my fellow Austrians are freaking out over rising insecurity—and all the stories they hear (that aren't in the papers). We're heading into a mess, and I just feel bad for the innocent people who didn't deserve this. I guess everyone pushing for uncontrolled immigration should have ten random immigrants living in their apartment, or have kids (at least one girl) who don't need to be fully embraced and are out between 8 and 10 PM, then we'll see how long it takes before she isn't a virgin anymore....

Well, if you can't see past your own apartment building, I guess it makes sense why you wouldn't bother looking at causes and consequences, or things that play right into Isa's hands. Though, I don't really get the connection to sexual assaults if it's true that over 60% of sex offenders are Austrian. To me, it seems totally reasonable that people are worried when they see an unfamiliar culture right outside their door. But it's not right to just turn off your brain and do exactly what Isa wants us to do. It's not right to shrink your whole world down to a few square feet and not "bother" with the big picture.

It's sad how much common sense and observation isn't being used... kind of like that transgender stuff in America....

Interesting, because that's exactly what I "accuse" Republican Party voters of—acting like they don't understand why refugees arrived in the first place, or thinking that not all Jewish people are enemies of Germany or that all refugees are uncultured savages.

So, I guess I'll ask you again—what have you actually done to provide even a little bit of mental support to the biggest victims of this IS chaos? It’s always easiest to kick those who are weak and innocent.

Nathan Morris3 said:Sorry, but just give me one single reason why CNN or any local news outlet would cover up an incident involving migrants. They actually put migrant incidents right on the front page, whereas cases like this get buried way in the back of the paper:

http://www.nachrichten.at/oberoester...n;art4,2230538

It's honestly kind of funny to me how my fellow Austrians are freaking out over rising insecurity—and all the stories they hear (that aren't in the papers). We're heading into a mess, and I just feel bad for the innocent people who didn't deserve this. I guess everyone pushing for uncontrolled immigration should have ten random immigrants living in their apartment, or have kids (at least one girl) who don't need to be fully embraced and are out between 8 and 10 PM, then we'll see how long it takes before she isn't a virgin anymore....

Well, if you can't see past your own apartment building, I guess it makes sense why you wouldn't bother looking at causes and consequences, or things that play right into Isa's hands. Though, I don't really get the connection to sexual assaults if it's true that over 60% of sex offenders are Austrian. To me, it seems totally reasonable that people are worried when they see an unfamiliar culture right outside their door. But it's not right to just turn off your brain and do exactly what Isa wants us to do. It's not right to shrink your whole world down to a few square feet and not "bother" with the big picture.

It's sad how much common sense and observation isn't being used... kind of like that transgender stuff in America....

Interesting, because that's exactly what I "accuse" Republican Party voters of—acting like they don't understand why refugees arrived in the first place, or thinking that not all Jewish people are enemies of Germany or that all refugees are uncultured savages.

So, I guess I'll ask you again—what have you actually done to provide even a little bit of mental support to the biggest victims of this IS chaos? It’s always easiest to kick those who are weak and innocent.

When I brought up Turkey to you earlier, you basically told me you didn't care what was happening over there.
Most voters focus on what's happening in their own backyard first before looking at the big picture—so, I guess it's perfectly logical why you think the Republican Party is gaining ground🙂.

"I guess maybe..."

Scott Rodriguez19 said:When I brought up Turkey to you earlier, you basically told me you didn't care what was happening over there.
Most voters focus on what's happening in their own backyard first before looking at the big picture—so, I guess it's perfectly logical why you think the Republican Party is gaining ground🙂.

No, I didn't say that, please don't make things up. Regarding what you said about how things work in Turkey, I already gave you my answer:

Maybe I guess we could just say...

I don't really know much about Turkey, so if that's your benchmark, maybe you should just move there. I guess my main focus is on democracy and freedom, so it's pretty clear we aren't exactly on the same page.

It’s honestly kind of funny when people try to argue, like, "Why should we give minorities rights if they don't even allow anything in Saudi Arabia?" I guess I just can't stand anyone who tries to force us to follow the standards of a place like Saudi Arabia. And I mean, Turkey has such massive issues with democracy and human rights too, so I don't really see the point in using them as a benchmark for what we want our society to look like. I suppose people coming from those kinds of cultures also need to adapt their views on things like laws and human rights to fit into the country they're living in—not that anyone's ever actually argued against that. The real problem, though, is how we're losing the presumption of innocence and labeling people before they've even done anything. It feels like the twilight of Western civilization, and maybe it's more our own fault than the fault of someone fleeing Aleppo.

Every voter looks at what's happening right in their own backyard first before looking elsewhere, I guess. It makes sense why the Republican Party is gaining ground, maybe.🙂.

I guess I totally see why the Republican Party is gaining ground. It feels like they’ve managed to get people to just tune everything out, which is kind of sad because those folks are victims themselves, I suppose. Personally, I really root for a society where everyone stays informed and realizes that what happens out in the world actually impacts what happens right at home. We should probably be looking at the actual causes instead of just reacting to the symptoms, maybe.

Nathan Morris3 said:"I guess maybe..."

No, I didn't say that, please don't make things up. Regarding what you said about how things work in Turkey, I already gave you my answer:

Maybe I guess we could just say...

I don't really know much about Turkey, so if that's your benchmark, maybe you should just move there. I guess my main focus is on democracy and freedom, so it's pretty clear we aren't exactly on the same page.

It’s honestly kind of funny when people try to argue, like, "Why should we give minorities rights if they don't even allow anything in Saudi Arabia?" I guess I just can't stand anyone who tries to force us to follow the standards of a place like Saudi Arabia. And I mean, Turkey has such massive issues with democracy and human rights too, so I don't really see the point in using them as a benchmark for what we want our society to look like. I suppose people coming from those kinds of cultures also need to adapt their views on things like laws and human rights to fit into the country they're living in—not that anyone's ever actually argued against that. The real problem, though, is how we're losing the presumption of innocence and labeling people before they've even done anything. It feels like the twilight of Western civilization, and maybe it's more our own fault than the fault of someone fleeing Aleppo.

Every voter looks at what's happening right in their own backyard first before looking elsewhere, I guess. It makes sense why the Republican Party is gaining ground, maybe.🙂.

I guess I totally see why the Republican Party is gaining ground. It feels like they’ve managed to get people to just tune everything out, which is kind of sad because those folks are victims themselves, I suppose. Personally, I really root for a society where everyone stays informed and realizes that what happens out in the world actually impacts what happens right at home. We should probably be looking at the actual causes instead of just reacting to the symptoms, maybe.

Then why on earth weren't you fighting against those very same root causes back when people were first facing these issues at their front doors?

Scott Rodriguez19 said:Then why on earth weren't you fighting against those very same root causes back when people were first facing these issues at their front doors?

Well, I have, which is why I keep bringing up things like wars, special interests, the arms industry, politics, and how wealth and resources are split up... I guess only someone really narrow-minded would claim the problem is just about someone having the "wrong" race or religion.

Nathan Morris3 said:Sorry, but just give me one single reason why CNN or any local news outlet would cover up an incident involving migrants. They actually put migrant incidents right on the front page, whereas cases like this get buried way in the back of the paper:

http://www.nachrichten.at/oberoester...n;art4,2230538

It's honestly kind of funny to me how my fellow Austrians are freaking out over rising insecurity—and all the stories they hear (that aren't in the papers). We're heading into a mess, and I just feel bad for the innocent people who didn't deserve this. I guess everyone pushing for uncontrolled immigration should have ten random immigrants living in their apartment, or have kids (at least one girl) who don't need to be fully embraced and are out between 8 and 10 PM, then we'll see how long it takes before she isn't a virgin anymore....

Well, if you can't see past your own apartment building, I guess it makes sense why you wouldn't bother looking at causes and consequences, or things that play right into Isa's hands. Though, I don't really get the connection to sexual assaults if it's true that over 60% of sex offenders are Austrian. To me, it seems totally reasonable that people are worried when they see an unfamiliar culture right outside their door. But it's not right to just turn off your brain and do exactly what Isa wants us to do. It's not right to shrink your whole world down to a few square feet and not "bother" with the big picture.

It's sad how much common sense and observation isn't being used... kind of like that transgender stuff in America....

Interesting, because that's exactly what I "accuse" Republican Party voters of—acting like they don't understand why refugees arrived in the first place, or thinking that not all Jewish people are enemies of Germany or that all refugees are uncultured savages.

So, I guess I'll ask you again—what have you actually done to provide even a little bit of mental support to the biggest victims of this IS chaos? It’s always easiest to kick those who are weak and innocent.

Why do you keep throwing that stat about 60% of rapes being committed by Austrians in my face? That feels like such a way to dodge the real issue. Like, obviously you'd expect the local population to commit more crimes since there are way more of them around. The real problem is that it won't stay that way soon because crime rates across the board are spiking among immigrants, and once a fifth of the population is responsible for half the crimes in the country, we've got a massive problem—especially since some groups have huge representation in crime while others barely show up at all. You don't see Vietnamese or Arab groups having that kind of representation anywhere in Europe.
I'm really curious, what do you honestly think are the reasons why some immigrant groups have extreme crime rates while others have almost none, even though they come from similar economic backgrounds? Maybe it's some cultural norms or something.
By the way, in Norway and Finland, they've made it mandatory for immigrants from countries known for their "human rights" and great "social freedoms" and respect for minorities to go through long training sessions on the social norms of those societies. And if they don't like it, no biggie, they can just ship them back to a war zone.
Also, going back to that famous 60% thing... those kinds of studies happen all over Europe, but some are detailed and some aren't. You really have to know how the data was gathered before you analyze it deeply. If these studies are done properly, they go into tiny details. For instance, it could easily happen that second-generation immigrants are counted as locals because, at the end of the day, they are citizens too.

Nathan Morris3 said:Sorry, but just give me one single reason why CNN or any local news outlet would cover up an incident involving migrants. They actually put migrant incidents right on the front page, whereas cases like this get buried way in the back of the paper:

http://www.nachrichten.at/oberoester...n;art4,2230538

It's honestly kind of funny to me how my fellow Austrians are freaking out over rising insecurity—and all the stories they hear (that aren't in the papers). We're heading into a mess, and I just feel bad for the innocent people who didn't deserve this. I guess everyone pushing for uncontrolled immigration should have ten random immigrants living in their apartment, or have kids (at least one girl) who don't need to be fully embraced and are out between 8 and 10 PM, then we'll see how long it takes before she isn't a virgin anymore....

Well, if you can't see past your own apartment building, I guess it makes sense why you wouldn't bother looking at causes and consequences, or things that play right into Isa's hands. Though, I don't really get the connection to sexual assaults if it's true that over 60% of sex offenders are Austrian. To me, it seems totally reasonable that people are worried when they see an unfamiliar culture right outside their door. But it's not right to just turn off your brain and do exactly what Isa wants us to do. It's not right to shrink your whole world down to a few square feet and not "bother" with the big picture.

It's sad how much common sense and observation isn't being used... kind of like that transgender stuff in America....

Interesting, because that's exactly what I "accuse" Republican Party voters of—acting like they don't understand why refugees arrived in the first place, or thinking that not all Jewish people are enemies of Germany or that all refugees are uncultured savages.

So, I guess I'll ask you again—what have you actually done to provide even a little bit of mental support to the biggest victims of this IS chaos? It’s always easiest to kick those who are weak and innocent.

There is so much misinformation being pushed about immigrants. In the beginning, everyone was whining that it was all women and children, but anyone with eyes could see that wasn't true. Then they complained they were highly educated, even though they couldn't say a word in a foreign language, and now all the media is crying about how there's a mountain of unaccompanied children. Get this: Denmark and Norway ran tests on those "unaccompanied children," and it turned out 72% of them weren't even kids—they were all over 18, and a decent chunk of them were close to thirty.🤣 I mean, honestly, you don't even need tests when you can just see it with your own eyes.
Immigrants aren't all savages or anything, but they come from totally different cultures with their own set of social norms and rules, so we really need to focus on assimilation and stop them from forming those isolated ghettos.

Nathan Morris3 said:Sorry, but just give me one single reason why CNN or any local news outlet would cover up an incident involving migrants. They actually put migrant incidents right on the front page, whereas cases like this get buried way in the back of the paper:

http://www.nachrichten.at/oberoester...n;art4,2230538

It's honestly kind of funny to me how my fellow Austrians are freaking out over rising insecurity—and all the stories they hear (that aren't in the papers). We're heading into a mess, and I just feel bad for the innocent people who didn't deserve this. I guess everyone pushing for uncontrolled immigration should have ten random immigrants living in their apartment, or have kids (at least one girl) who don't need to be fully embraced and are out between 8 and 10 PM, then we'll see how long it takes before she isn't a virgin anymore....

Well, if you can't see past your own apartment building, I guess it makes sense why you wouldn't bother looking at causes and consequences, or things that play right into Isa's hands. Though, I don't really get the connection to sexual assaults if it's true that over 60% of sex offenders are Austrian. To me, it seems totally reasonable that people are worried when they see an unfamiliar culture right outside their door. But it's not right to just turn off your brain and do exactly what Isa wants us to do. It's not right to shrink your whole world down to a few square feet and not "bother" with the big picture.

It's sad how much common sense and observation isn't being used... kind of like that transgender stuff in America....

Interesting, because that's exactly what I "accuse" Republican Party voters of—acting like they don't understand why refugees arrived in the first place, or thinking that not all Jewish people are enemies of Germany or that all refugees are uncultured savages.

So, I guess I'll ask you again—what have you actually done to provide even a little bit of mental support to the biggest victims of this IS chaos? It’s always easiest to kick those who are weak and innocent.

🤣
What did they do when my house was literally burning down during the war? What did they do while their people were out there looting, raping, and killing for decades in Lebanon? Nothing. Absolutely nothing, because they didn't give a damn. So now, I don't give a damn about them either. I don't owe them a thing.

Nathan Morris3 said:Well, I have, which is why I keep bringing up things like wars, special interests, the arms industry, politics, and how wealth and resources are split up... I guess only someone really narrow-minded would claim the problem is just about someone having the "wrong" race or religion.

So, looks like you lost this battle too, doesn't it?🙂

I'm heading out to Walmart for a bit.🙂

not to buy anything, really.