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Taylor Cruz7 Taylor Cruz7 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Any thoughts, wishes, or comments?
driftingowl27 driftingowl27 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#2 ·
The bottom line is this: go watch the movie. Seriously, you're probably not going to find anything better than this out there.
Mike Leigh is easily one of the top five directors on the planet, and he proves it once again with this one. It’s a phenomenal piece of cinema—if you miss out on this, you're really going to regret it. 🙂
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
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I’m planning on catching... well, among the other movies on my watchlist 🙄 Why does it feel like they have to drop all these absolute bangers at the exact same time???
driftingowl27 driftingowl27 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#4 ·
Just watched this for the second time today and honestly? A total MASTERPIECE.
If you didn't walk away feeling that way, then go ahead and go watch the next Harry Potter movie—I'm sure that'll satisfy your craving for actual cinema...🙄
Taylor Cruz7 Taylor Cruz7 MemberOP
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#5 ·
This movie is absolutely phenomenal! Honestly, anyone who disagrees should just jump off a balcony!
I’m planning on catching it one more time; if anyone wants to join me, let me know. 🙂

To Dante: the movie is terrible, don't watch it unless you absolutely have to! 😁😈 [joke]
slyrider16 slyrider16 Active Member
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joined Mar 2006
#6 ·
Better than Harry Potter? Sure. A masterpiece? Who knows...
Personally, those last ten minutes missed the mark for me. It felt like they hadn't actually built up enough ground to justify such a massive emotional outburst out of nowhere. Also, I could've done without all that extra screen time spent on those other two families... otherwise, the vibe is solid. They nailed that gritty, trashy atmosphere... honestly, watching it just feels good. Like a little pick-me-up when you're feeling down.
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#7 ·
Jesus, I can't believe what I'm reading here... A masterpiece???? Are you kidding me? This movie isn't even close to being a masterpiece...

I’ll give credit where it's due—the way Mike Leigh builds everything up over the first ninety minutes is genuinely impressive. But those last twenty minutes? Absolute garbage. That looooong scene between the two leads completely ruins the whole vibe. Honestly, it gave me a headache.

I don't get why he cluttered the script with all these different characters just to ignore everyone except the main two at the end. It felt totally wasted.

The film tries to depict the absolute grit and misery of New York City while throwing in all this humor... Give me a break. People need to realize that if you're trying to make a psychedelic, depressing film, you shouldn't be tossing in jokes (or if you do, they should be incredibly minimal).

Look, let's be fair—it's a decent enough movie. While I was watching it, I actually thought it might be one of my favorites of the year. But that ending just kills everything that worked before it: the acting, the script, and especially the direction. Sadly, it's a 3/10 from me.
A Anonymous Veteran
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redowl90 said:The movie paints such a bleak picture of New York City, yet it's packed with humor... I mean, seriously... When will people realize that if you want to make a psychedelic, depressing film, you CAN'T have humor in it (or at least keep it to an absolute minimum)...

Oh, please... when is that amateur Mike Leigh going to figure out his filmmaking style is totally off? He really ought to take advice from an expert like redowl90, who actually knows their stuff when it comes to cinema...🙄 🙏
Taylor Cruz7 Taylor Cruz7 MemberOP
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Blue Eyes said:Oh, please... I wonder when that amateur Mike Leigh will finally realize his filmmaking style just isn't working. He really ought to take some advice from someone like redowl90, who actually understands cinema...🙄 🙏

😈 😁 😁 wow.... I'm honestly speechless.
driftingowl27 driftingowl27 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#10 ·
redowl90, it’s actually mind-blowing how little you know about cinema, yet you try so hard to act like you aren't a total amateur... What happened to you growing up? Did you get bullied too much or something? Is that why you have this weirdly masochistic urge to look this ignorant in front of everyone?
A Anonymous Veteran
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Mikilegendocare said:redowl90, it’s actually wild how little you know about movies, yet you try so hard to act like you’re some kind of expert when you clearly aren't... Did you have a rough childhood or something? Is that why you're so obsessed with being wrong?

Miki legenda 🙂))) 🙏 😘
Taylor Cruz7 Taylor Cruz7 MemberOP
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joined Dec 2002
#12 ·
Honestly, I don't quite grasp why you're so bothered by it at the end, redowl90. Your explanation just doesn't really hit the mark for me. Maybe you should check out the latest film from Vrdoljak. There’s this one scene—and I’m certain it isn't the only one—where Visnjic and Vrdoljak just drone on with complete nonsense. It’s a ten-minute stretch of pure monotony; honestly, it doesn't get any worse than that.
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#13 ·
Ugh, seriously? It feels like you can't say anything on this forum without someone jumping down your throat to take offense...

Look, the movie is GOOD. How many times do I have to type that before it actually sinks in? It’s frustrating how many people here don't even bother reading a full post properly. They just see that someone offered a critique of their "masterpiece" and immediately go on the attack...

So, because I thought the ending was total garbage, apparently my entire opinion on the film is invalid? Grow up, people...
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#14 ·
Taylor Cruz7 said:I honestly don't get why this bothers you so much at the end, redowl90.

It’s the sudden shift where Leigh makes those two characters the center of attention when they weren't really leading anything until then. It bugs me because the scene drags on forever and the acting feels off—which is a huge departure from the rest of the movie. Plus, that one scene basically wraps up the whole film while sidelining the other characters who actually had decent screen time earlier on. Is that enough of an explanation?

Apparently, some people just see "Directed by: Mike Leigh" and immediately start calling it a masterpiece without thinking twice.
driftingowl27 driftingowl27 Active Member
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#15 ·
redowl90 said:So because the ending was total SHIT, my entire take on the movie is invalid? Is that how this works?


No, man. You just generally don't have a clue what you're talking about.
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#16 ·
driftingowl27 said:No, you clearly don't get movies at all.

I'd love to know what leads you to that conclusion, if you don't mind me asking.
driftingowl27 driftingowl27 Active Member
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#17 ·
Do you want me to prove it using just the posts you cranked out today, or should I go dig through the archives?
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#18 ·
What did I say today that made it sound like I have no clue what I'm talking about? I said *All or Nothing* is a good movie, right up until about twenty minutes before the end... Look, that's just my take on it. I also mentioned that the acting in *Y Tu Mama Tambien* wasn't anything special... And it WASN'T! People who obsess over European films don't watch them objectively; they just care that they're different from the usual Hollywood trash and propaganda garbage...

We shouldn't be looking at movies that way. Every film deserves the same scrutiny, regardless of who directed it or what language they're speaking...

God knows what would happen if I shared my thoughts on something like *Amélie*... I'd probably be banned from the Forum for life.
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#19 ·
Hey, Mickey, check your PMs...
Michelle Howard2 Michelle Howard2 Member
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#20 ·
driftingowl27, man, just chill out for a second. There’s no need to go around insulting people just because you disagree, and please, stop acting like you're the professor in the room all the time. Honestly, it's exhausting to watch.

Look, I haven't even seen the movie yet; I'm just lurking in this thread as a completely neutral observer. redowl90 actually gave a really solid breakdown of why he doesn't think the film is a masterpiece—he pointed out plenty of great things, but he just wasn't totally blown away by it, which is fair. But what you wrote, man, feels a little fanatical; look, having an intense opinion is fine, but aggressively forcing it down everyone's throats isn't. This is a space where people should feel free to talk about cinema, and thank God there are folks here who see movies differently than I do, and redowl90 definitely isn't some idiot you can talk down to like that. Plus, since you're a moderator here, don't discourage people by acting all high and mighty; instead, try something like, "Hey Mr. redowl90, I think you missed the mark, let me explain why this is actually a masterpiece." Share what you know, show us what you saw, teach us something, and actually add value to the conversation. What you've posted so far is basically nothing. At least redowl90 actually discussed the film, while you just dropped two empty phrases that don't mean a thing. To anyone watching from the outside, you just look like someone throwing shade without any actual arguments to back it up.

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