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mellowsurfer15 mellowsurfer15 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Which movie? I watched it last night and I can't say I was indifferent—in fact, I’m feeling a little shaken by it...

The core takeaway is that money can buy absolutely anything, and honestly, I find myself agreeing.
Everything essentially unfolds according to Robert's design. Everything happens exactly as he dictates. Demi didn't fall in love with him; she fell in love with the wealth. In the end, he casts her aside simply because he chooses to. I actually found a certain satisfaction in that. My only sympathy lies with her ex, who foolishly believes she returned to him out of genuine affection...

What are your thoughts on the film?
Andrew Hill28 Andrew Hill28 Member
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#2 ·
What are you so afraid of, someone messing with your wife? image
Ashley Walker4 Ashley Walker4 Newcomer
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#3 ·
It is a fine film. However, I cannot bring myself to agree with the notion that Demi fell in love with nothing more than a bank account. Redford’s portrayal isn't nearly as villainous as some suggest. Honestly, who wouldn't find themselves drawn to someone intelligent, handsome, mature, attentive, decisive, and—let's be real—extremely wealthy?
And then there is the poor husband, whom she simply tramples underfoot.
Karen Wilson11 Karen Wilson11 Newcomer
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#4 ·
Demi and the guy were absolutely killing it—their acting was spot on! Honestly, the whole plot kept me hooked, and there were actually some pretty deep, thought-provoking moments tucked in there too. There was this one specific line at the very end... I can't even remember the exact wording right now, but man, it just kept echoing in my head for ages!

I’m pretty stoked with how the movie turned out.
Brian Martinez7 Brian Martinez7 Member
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#5 ·
Andrew Hill28 said:What are you so afraid of, someone messing with your wife? image

🤣🤣 You'll probably just deck him anyway 😂
steeltinker60 steeltinker60 Newcomer
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#6 ·
I just remembered this movie because it’s playing on ABC right now...

I'm curious to hear what you all think. What was your overall impression of the film? Who do you consider to be the true villain here? Would you ever actually accept an offer like that? Did he have a right to be angry when she slept with that wealthy guy? And did she have the right to leave him for the rich man?
I doubt anyone could stay indifferent to this story. Everyone seems to pick a side, so I want to know which one you chose.😉
Jacob Fox6 Jacob Fox6 Active Member
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#7 ·
I literally just wandered onto this subforum because I’m watching this movie right now and stumbled upon this thread 😍

I’ve seen this one a few times now, and even though it’s more of a solid, steady watch for me, it always manages to leave me totally speechless...

But there’s this one specific scene that brings me back every single time, you know, when her husband shows up at the auction and signs those divorce papers right in front of her after giving that whole speech... that moment is just pure perfection!

The dialogue, the body language, the psychology behind it all, and the actual lesson being taught... it’s just absolute perfection, both in terms of filmmaking and that raw "human element" that makes it hit so hard... truly genius
Rebecca Fox4 Rebecca Fox4 Active Member
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#8 ·
It was an incredible film that actually managed to stir up a whole mess of emotions in even me—you can call me "Ice" 😁........

Still, if I were dreaming in Harrison's shoes, I wouldn't be taking him back at the end, especially after that speech and the way she signed those divorce papers........that would have been a definitive "bye bye baby" from my side.......I think she finally proved what she's made of 🤷
Jacob Fox6 Jacob Fox6 Active Member
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#9 ·
Rebecca Fox4 said:It was an incredible film that actually managed to stir up a whole mess of emotions in even me—you can call me "Ice" 😁........

Still, if I were dreaming in Harrison's shoes, I wouldn't be taking him back at the end, especially after that speech and the way she signed those divorce papers........that would have been a definitive "bye bye baby" from my side.......I think she finally proved what she's made of 🤷

See, I didn't experience it quite that way. 🙂 That’s why that scene is just pure genius to me. You see so many movies where people break up or make up, but this hits different. It’s brilliant because he still loves her. Like you said, a definitive breakup usually happens when the love is gone, but that's not the case here.

He didn't just show up to tell her it's over. He went there to show her exactly who is walking away... if you catch my drift... 🙂 😍
That’s what makes this film so big, showing a level of character that's worth more than all the money in the world, something you just can't buy. That's the beautiful contrast in the story.

He approached her as someone standing above the situation; he gave this speech about integrity, basically telling her where she stands without saying it directly; he showed her that while this was her choice and he accepts it, it's just not enough for him.

Because he wants what he described in his "monologue"—basically, the woman she used to be, which she just proved she isn't anymore. Or is she? 😉 Knowing he already knows the answer, he signs those papers right in front of her, and to me, that scene of humiliation—masterfully done without being crude or low—is something I don't think I've ever seen before. 😉

The guy gives her this lecture that isn't your typical lecture, delivered with such incredible grace and style, and even while he's clearly still in love, he points out the flaw in her that forces him to sign those papers... proving that marriage needs more than just love, it needs character—it needs wholeness. Such a genius moment. Truly genius... it’s the moment the whole movie really comes together for me 🙂
steeltinker60 steeltinker60 Newcomer
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#10 ·
I have a fuzzy memory of that one scene. Is there any chance it's on Netflix or somewhere I can rewatch it?
For me, the funniest part was when she and Robert were riding in the limo. Robert asks her how much that massive estate would cost, and she snaps back, telling him that house isn't for sale. He just gives her this little smirk and says, "Darling, everything is for sale..."🤣 Basically reminding her that he bought her, too...
Rebecca Fox4 Rebecca Fox4 Active Member
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#11 ·
Jacob Fox6 said:See, I didn't experience it quite that way. 🙂 That’s why that scene is just pure genius to me. You see so many movies where people break up or make up, but this hits different. It’s brilliant because he still loves her. Like you said, a definitive breakup usually happens when the love is gone, but that's not the case here.

He didn't just show up to tell her it's over. He went there to show her exactly who is walking away... if you catch my drift... 🙂 😍
That’s what makes this film so big, showing a level of character that's worth more than all the money in the world, something you just can't buy. That's the beautiful contrast in the story.

He approached her as someone standing above the situation; he gave this speech about integrity, basically telling her where she stands without saying it directly; he showed her that while this was her choice and he accepts it, it's just not enough for him.

Because he wants what he described in his "monologue"—basically, the woman she used to be, which she just proved she isn't anymore. Or is she? 😉 Knowing he already knows the answer, he signs those papers right in front of her, and to me, that scene of humiliation—masterfully done without being crude or low—is something I don't think I've ever seen before. 😉

The guy gives her this lecture that isn't your typical lecture, delivered with such incredible grace and style, and even while he's clearly still in love, he points out the flaw in her that forces him to sign those papers... proving that marriage needs more than just love, it needs character—it needs wholeness. Such a genius moment. Truly genius... it’s the moment the whole movie really comes together for me 🙂

I understand your perspective, but he was trying to recapture that spark they once had, whereas she wasn't. She really should have tried to empathize with his position and imagined herself in his shoes.

He told her plainly: "It's not that he's a better man; he just has more money."

If I were her, I’d want him to know that once he realizes that, there is absolutely no coming back for him...
Timothy Cox2 Timothy Cox2 Active Member
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#12 ·
Jacob Fox6 said:I literally just wandered onto this subforum because I’m watching this movie right now and stumbled upon this thread 😍

I’ve seen this one a few times now, and even though it’s more of a solid, steady watch for me, it always manages to leave me totally speechless...

But there’s this one specific scene that brings me back every single time, you know, when her husband shows up at the auction and signs those divorce papers right in front of her after giving that whole speech... that moment is just pure perfection!

The dialogue, the body language, the psychology behind it all, and the actual lesson being taught... it’s just absolute perfection, both in terms of filmmaking and that raw "human element" that makes it hit so hard... truly genius

Really? Can you please walk me through this... he bought a painting... he embezzled the money his wife earned through her "services"... and then she gives it back to him... correct me if I'm wrong.
So: his wife cheated on him (not just for one night, but for a while), he took the cash and blew it at an auction... and in the end, she hands it back... what's the payoff? He gets a cheating wife and he's broke. How is that perfect?
He had this exact same situation before with a wife who was actually faithful.
Was he just too blinded by emotion to see the big picture?

In real life, he wouldn't take Demi because she'd be a potential cheater. If someone betrays you once, they'll do it again. Once a cheater, always a cheater.
Jacob Fox6 Jacob Fox6 Active Member
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#13 ·
Rebecca Fox4 said:I understand your perspective, but he was trying to recapture that spark they once had, whereas she wasn't. She really should have tried to empathize with his position and imagined herself in his shoes.

He told her plainly: "It's not that he's a better man; he just has more money."

If I were her, I’d want him to know that once he realizes that, there is absolutely no coming back for him...

If you actually caught my drift, then I guess you realize I wasn't even talking about ego, but rather about a guy who managed to outplay him despite all the raw emotion and the hurt involved...

Whether she’s just some random girl doesn't even matter, and honestly, what any 55-year-old guy would do in that situation is irrelevant too. I'm strictly talking about that specific scene, that little moment in the movie, not reality—just those few minutes; I'm not debating if she'll come back, what happens with Redford, or who's right or wrong. That three-minute sequence and everything packed into it, that's my point... 🙂 And the psychology behind it is just masterfully done... 🙂

Timothy Cox2 said:Really? Can you please walk me through this... he bought a painting... he embezzled the money his wife earned through her "services"... and then she gives it back to him... correct me if I'm wrong.
So: his wife cheated on him (not just for one night, but for a while), he took the cash and blew it at an auction... and in the end, she hands it back... what's the payoff? He gets a cheating wife and he's broke. How is that perfect?
He had this exact same situation before with a wife who was actually faithful.
Was he just too blinded by emotion to see the big picture?

In real life, he wouldn't take Demi because she'd be a potential cheater. If someone betrays you once, they'll do it again. Once a cheater, always a cheater.

Nope, I'm not going to explain anything because you haven't even grasped what I'm talking about, and we aren't even discussing the same scene, so I'll just save my breath... 🙂
cosmicwalker21 cosmicwalker21 Member
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#14 ·
I honestly don't get what everyone sees in that mess of a woman, Demi Moore...
ruggedrider4 ruggedrider4 Newcomer
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#15 ·
I actually thought the movie was decent, mostly just because of Woody Harrelson. He’s not exactly my favorite actor, but he’s definitely up there. I just caught him in Defender recently, and man, it was 😲 seriously deep 😁 like, the guy has so many different layers, and you see a new one every single time he's on screen.
Dana Newman3 Dana Newman3 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Caught it on TV tonight.
Personally, I thought it was a beautiful movie. That final scene always gets me right in the feels...

I went down a bit of a rabbit hole looking up some trivia about the film, and honestly, the hypocrisy and contradictions are staggering. On one hand, it was a massive box office smash; on the other, you had critics and this self-righteous crowd of activists tearing it to shreds.

Sometimes I really wish one of those folks could find themselves stuck in a similar moral gray area.
The true test of someone's character is what they do when they think nobody is watching.

But at its core, everything is captured in that last scene. It’s so much more than just a plot driven by a million dollars or messy moral dilemmas.
It’s a gorgeous story about genuine love and the ability to forgive—to rise above your own ego and pettiness. Those are the kinds of stories I'll always have time for.
Scott Chase Scott Chase Newcomer
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#17 ·
Redford's look is slippery, carrying this "I'm going to take everything" attitude, though he ends up being fine. Woody is just desperate because he accepts her even after she’s been messing around with some rich guy later on.
She basically became a gold digger who managed to pull it off in the end.☕
Jeffrey Smith4 Jeffrey Smith4 Member
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#18 ·
Killer movie...

It’s obvious people will do whatever it takes when they're broke...

But let's be real, money solves just about everything...

Nowadays, I doubt many people would actually stay "honest" and pass up an opportunity like that...
driftingotter51 driftingotter51 Member
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#19 ·
cosmicwalker21 said:I honestly don't get what everyone sees in that mess of a woman, Demi Moore...

Honestly, Demi is absolutely stunning and incredibly sexy!😍 😳
bluesurfer622 bluesurfer622 Newcomer
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#20 ·
This is easily one of my all-time favorites, mostly because it hits you with such raw, heavy emotion.

P.S. I have to say, I really didn't care for how Demi got off easy at the end... there’s just no justifying what she did.

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