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Arthur Barnes Arthur Barnes Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
I was looking through the penal code and found this:

Assisted Suicide

Section 94.

Anyone who takes the life of another at their explicit and serious request shall be punished by imprisonment for one to eight years.


My God, this has to be one of the stupidest laws I've ever seen... 😲

Picture this: my neighbor Mark comes over, I record him on video and audio making it crystal clear that he wants me to kill him. He’s dead serious, totally sane. I go ahead and do it, and then I get 8 years in prison just because I respected his wishes. The wish doesn't hurt anyone else—only him—and he's fully aware and still wants it done!

What's the logic behind this law? Why does the legal system even work this way? Does any of you actually see the sense in this, because to me, it's just plain ridiculous...
Sean Hernandez5 Sean Hernandez5 Active Member
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#2 ·
It’s essentially a privileged form of homicide
The whole idea is that the request itself can mess with a perpetrator's head so much that they start believing their actions are actually justified. Because of that mental state, the law ends up handing down a lighter sentence than it would for a standard murder case.
At the same time, it functions as a ban on euthanasia.
Arthur Barnes Arthur Barnes Active MemberOP
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#3 ·
Is he really not justified?

I mean, yeah, murder is murder, but this isn't your typical case. The difference here is the victim actually wanted it... they made it crystal clear. Who is the government to step in and override someone's free will when they’ve explicitly asked for this? Who else is getting hurt besides the person who chose this for themselves? It's their life...
Sean Hernandez5 Sean Hernandez5 Active Member
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#4 ·
There’s some debate going on about euthanasia. I suspect it might have something to do with spirituality, though I guess I could be wrong.
Morgan Murphy7 Morgan Murphy7 Active Member
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#5 ·
I’m not quite sure what part of this is causing such confusion
The law simply prohibits assisted suicide, and that’s really all there is to it.
Arthur Barnes Arthur Barnes Active MemberOP
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#6 ·
Morgan Murphy7 said:I don't know what part of this isn't clicking
the law bans assisted suicide, period. That's it.

Yeah, okay, the law is what it is—but I’m asking why it exists like this. My gut tells me the whole thing is illogical and just plain stupid... I don't know, I'm just asking to see what people actually think.

I didn't come here for legal advice, I came for a debate. Laws aren't perfect; they change. So I want to know if you think this should be changed, and give me the arguments for and against it. Honestly, it feels stupid to me because it limits free will. It's like the government is trying to play God by stopping a citizen from making their own choices when nobody else is getting hurt. That's why I think it's dumb... and why it should be repealed.
Morgan Murphy7 Morgan Murphy7 Active Member
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#7 ·
We also can't afford to overlook the potential for abuse when it comes to euthanasia!
Arthur Barnes Arthur Barnes Active MemberOP
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#8 ·
Can you explain, please?
Morgan Murphy7 Morgan Murphy7 Active Member
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#9 ·
I think it’s pretty obvious that we’re going to run into situations where killers try to spin the narrative—claiming the victim actually wanted it, or wrote it down, or signed some ridiculous document saying they consented to being harmed, when in reality, none of that is true.
Arthur Barnes Arthur Barnes Active MemberOP
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#10 ·
Well, not in the scenario I laid out. I’m talking about having actual, explicit proof—audio, video, whatever you want—that the "victim" gave me the green light to end them. If someone kills another person without proof that it was actually wanted, they get tried for "standard" murder. I don't see the issue there... 😕
Karen Garcia5 Karen Garcia5 Member
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#11 ·
Arthur Barnes, just admit you killed someone and be done with it.
Patrick Perez5 Patrick Perez5 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Look, the reality is that nearly every modern penal code across the globe includes specific provisions prohibiting euthanasia, classifying the act itself as a criminal offense. Our own legislators followed suit, drawing direct inspiration from the legal frameworks established by the German and Austrian penal codes.
If you truly intend to challenge this point, I suggest you take a much closer look at the comparative legal studies...
Arthur Barnes Arthur Barnes Active MemberOP
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#13 ·
Man, come on... how can anyone even threaten you if you refuse to be filmed while telling them you want to die? Like, they're basically helping you legally end it all. Or death itself—which is just straight-up murder, and the result is exactly the same for you anyway. 😕
Karen Garcia5 Karen Garcia5 Member
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#14 ·
Arthur Barnes said:Look, I don't see how someone threatens you if you refuse to be filmed while explicitly stating you want to die—which is basically asking for a legal death sentence—versus threatening death, which is just murder. The end result is pretty much the same, I guess.😕

So, what if I tell you I'm going to take out your entire family unless you get on camera and admit you want to be killed? What then?
hollowgull14 hollowgull14 Member
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#15 ·
Laws are essentially just a dense collection of rules defining the boundaries of acceptable behavior. They dictate what is permitted and what isn't. Ultimately, this massive framework of legislation exists to interfere with individual free will—which is precisely its purpose. It prevents us from sliding into total anarchy. I mean, imagine the chaos if everyone simply did whatever they felt like at any given moment.

Under these standards, murder is viewed as both unethical and reprehensible. It is strictly prohibited by law in any capacity, so I fail to see where the controversy lies.

Besides, if someone truly has a desire to end their own life, they should be left to handle that themselves.
Arthur Barnes Arthur Barnes Active MemberOP
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#16 ·
Karen Garcia5 said:I’m telling you right now... if you don't get in front of that camera and say you want to be killed, I’m coming for your whole family. What are you gonna do then...?

I'm reporting you for making threats...

Even if you're holding me in some dark basement and you say it anyway, I’m still choosing not to say it on camera. If I did... then killing me would actually be legal. And once you pull off a five-way homicide—not that you specified if I'm on that list—you'll be rotting in prison for the rest of your life. Or at least you should be...

I mean, does this criminal really think he can just "persuade" me into letting him kill me? Like he’s trying to make some twisted version of this legal... like he's actually scared of the consequences. It's ridiculous. Does he seriously think it's worth the risk? To murder my entire family just to end up behind bars for life... no way...
Arthur Barnes Arthur Barnes Active MemberOP
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#17 ·
hollowgull14 said:Laws are just a bunch of rules that decide what's okay and what isn't. What you can do, what you can't... That massive pile of legislation interferes with people's free will, but that's exactly why it exists. To stop total anarchy. I mean, imagine if everyone just did whatever they felt like at any given moment?

It would be great, honestly... provided the stuff a person does doesn't directly screw over anyone else (even if they're hurting themselves). Like, telling someone to kill me, and they actually do it -> I'm not hurting anyone else with that choice, just myself. And I should have the right to decide my own fate...
hollowgull14 hollowgull14 Member
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#18 ·
Arthur Barnes said:It would be ideal, provided that one's direct actions don't harm anyone else (even if they're just hurting themselves). If I ask someone to end my life and they comply -> I haven't harmed a single soul besides myself. In that scenario, I maintain the right to determine my own fate.

If I were to kill you, the damage wouldn't stop with you. It hits your family, too. Not to mention the state, which has poured massive amounts of taxpayer money into your education over twelve years—maybe longer if you're on a scholarship. It’s simply not in the collective interest to start swinging at one another just because we feel like it.
hollowgull14 hollowgull14 Member
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#19 ·
At the end of the day, if you truly want to be the one calling the shots on your own fate, then take full responsibility for it—even if that means making your own exit without dragging anyone else into your mess.
Arthur Barnes Arthur Barnes Active MemberOP
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#20 ·
hollowgull14 said:Look, if I kill you, it’s not just about you. It hits your family, too. And the government—think about all the tax dollars they poured into your education over twelve years, maybe more if you had a scholarship. Nobody wants that kind of chaos... it's just bad business for everyone involved.

So, it really comes down to self-interest rather than morality. Interest drives what we call "right" or "wrong." Suddenly, everything makes sense 😉
hollowgull14 said:Besides, if you want to be the one in control of your own fate, then take charge of it yourself. Kill yourself. Don't drag anyone else into it.

I'm not going to force anyone to kill me. If I politely ask someone if they'd be willing to do it—say, because I don't want to commit suicide myself since I'm Catholic and don't want to end up in hell—and they say yes, I don't see the issue. By killing me, they aren't hurting themselves any more than if they just went to Walmart and bought, I don't know, a rag. 😉 😕 🙂

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