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Casey Cox69 Casey Cox69 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Good day..

I am posting this in the hope that someone might offer some guidance.. My mother is currently battling recurrent rectal carcinoma—inoperable. To get straight to the point—she’s already endured three surgeries, radiation, chemo, and just about every standard approach available. We recently came across something called Thalidomide, which is derived from blue scorpion venom and is intended for patients in my mother's exact situation. The catch—it is only available in Cuba. The initial round of treatment is free since it's still in clinical trials, but from what we've gathered online, people are actually flying to Cuba to seek it out because it seems to work. We have managed to track down seven or eight different phone numbers—all unique—and we are prepared to make the trip if it means easing her suffering even slightly. I am asking anyone with firsthand experience or any insight at all to please reach out; any information would be invaluable. Thank you in advance.
Patrick Young2 Patrick Young2 Member
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#2 ·
Do your homework before you jump in—maybe even reach out directly to the pharmaceutical company itself—because they’re going to demand an overwhelming amount of medical data regarding the condition.
I don't have any firsthand experience here, so consider this just some secondhand information I've picked up.
Casey Cox69 Casey Cox69 MemberOP
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Patrick Young2 said:Do your homework before you jump in—maybe even reach out directly to the pharmaceutical company itself—because they’re going to demand an overwhelming amount of medical data regarding the condition.
I don't have any firsthand experience here, so consider this just some secondhand information I've picked up.

Thanks. We’ll start making calls tomorrow—hopefully, we get them. I've been glued to my screen for days, scouring the web for every tiny detail available. Despite all the skeptics out there, we aren't exactly in a position where we have anything left to lose.
Patrick Young2 Patrick Young2 Member
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#4 ·
I sent you a DM with all the details regarding the company and everything else you might find useful once you guys make it down this way.

Good luck!
Casey Cox69 Casey Cox69 MemberOP
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#5 ·
I truly appreciate it—it all helps quite a bit.🙂
placidscout87 placidscout87 Newcomer
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Casey Cox69 said:Thanks. We’ll start making calls tomorrow—hopefully, we get them. I've been glued to my screen for days, scouring the web for every tiny detail available. Despite all the skeptics out there, we aren't exactly in a position where we have anything left to lose.

Best regards,

I might be able to assist you in sourcing this medication. It isn't called Thalidomide anymore—that was just the designation used during the clinical trial phases. It has since been registered under the name FDA-approved drug. If I recall correctly, it was recently associated with Pfizer. I'm not entirely sure how extensively this has been covered in the news lately.

To give you an idea, the drug acts as an anti-tumor, anti-inflammatory, and immunoregulatory agent—plus it works as an analgesic... it is entirely natural and can be integrated with almost any existing treatment plan. It shows fantastic results even when used as a standalone therapy.

Since I'm new here, please feel free to send me a private message if you require any assistance or further details.

Cheers, V
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
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#7 ·
If you search PubMed, you won't find a single paper on Thalidomide (FDA-approved drug). You’ll see some mentions regarding the cytostatic effects of scorpion venom, but nothing involving the specific components used in Thalidomide. All the research connecting scorpion venom to cancer has been conducted *in vitro*—meaning strictly on cell cultures. While cell cultures provide a useful starting point, they don't mean a thing without *in vivo* testing. Plenty of substances show cytostatic properties in a petri dish only to prove lethally toxic when introduced to a living organism. That’s why any potential drug undergoes a rigorous progression: first testing on cells, then on small mammals like rodents, moving up to primates, and finally reaching human clinical trials (conducted with fully informed consent, obviously). Despite how much we share with animals, metabolic differences are massive. A prime example is Thalidomide, which was completely harmless in rodent models but ended up causing a tragedy for thousands of pregnant women.

So, my take is this: scorpion venom has shown cytostatic activity in a lab setting, which is interesting, sure, but it’s nowhere near being considered a pharmaceutical preparation, let alone a legitimate cancer treatment. Even the Cuban government has distanced itself from it.http://havanajournal.com/culture/ent...ent-from-cuba/

Here is a solid article by someone who actually makes sense: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n6160489/
Summary:
According to statements from the directors of health regulation and the national quality control agencies, some laboratory research has been performed on Thalidomide. These studies are classified as preclinical and were not conducted on humans. From what I gather, the pharmacological and toxicological studies were done on animal models. These are standard initial phases used to determine toxicity and pharmacological behavior. However, the Cuban health authorities insist they have not approved the production or use of Thalidomide because they lack any evidence regarding its safety or efficacy in treating human disease.
It would be incredibly foolish to pin all your hopes on Thalidomide or any other unapproved cancer therapy instead of sticking to treatments that have actually proven their effectiveness.
At the end of the day, trying this on yourself is anything but common sense.

With that in mind, I think the moderators should feel free to move this discussion over to the alternative medicine section.
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
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That’s it. I’m done with this. Logging off.

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