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Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 MemberOP
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joined Oct 2015
#1 ·
I honestly can't tell if it’s even against the rules for a moderator to hand out warnings when they’ve personally taken offense at people "criticizing forum members"—and then proceed to scrub any post questioning their actual competence. It’s a total conflict of interest—it’s like being both the judge and the defendant in a courtroom at the same time—but frankly, it says everything you need to know about his character. He probably thinks that if he just keeps deleting posts from an ever-growing number of users, nobody will catch on to the pattern. 🤷 I mean, look—if someone was actually confident they were being fair and doing their job correctly, those kinds of posts wouldn't bother them (and they wouldn't be happening in the first place).

And here’s what really gets me: if some absolute clown—myself included, I suppose—writes a post like this, fine, let it stay because nobody’s taking me seriously anyway. But the second someone with a bit more credibility says the exact same thing? Boom—instant deletion. Apparently, if it’s coming from someone serious, it becomes "uncomfortable," so they just have to hide it.
Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2017
#2 ·
Here’s my suggestion if we actually want to improve this forum: I think some of the moderators need to start reading back through the threads a little further before they go on a deleting spree, because they really ought to try and figure out what the actual cause is versus what the consequence is.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#3 ·
Nicole Johnson20 said:I’m not sure if it’s actually within the rules for a moderator to hand out warnings when they feel personally insulted by people "disrespecting users." They end up deleting any posts that question their moderation skills—which feels like being both the judge and the defendant in the same trial. It's a bit telling, really. I suppose they think if they just keep scrubbing posts from an increasing number of people, no one will notice the pattern. 🤷 Honestly, if someone were truly confident they were being fair and doing their job right, these kinds of posts wouldn't bother them (and probably wouldn't exist in the first place).

It’s also funny how it works: if a clown like me writes something like that, it stays because nobody takes it seriously anyway. But if someone with actual credibility says the exact same thing? Boom, deleted instantly. Clearly, they can't handle the heat.

Any commentary regarding the forum's moderation is prohibited outside of the formal appeals section. It doesn't matter what the topic is, who is at fault, or why it happened. Because of that, it doesn't matter who does the deleting; there's no deep philosophy involved here. If you comment on the moderation in a thread, that post always and necessarily needs to be removed.

You got off easy if it was just a deletion. Most of the time, I issue a warning, especially to people who have already been told how this works multiple times.
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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joined Sep 2018
#4 ·
Moved from Alternative.
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 MemberOP
31 messages
joined Oct 2015
#5 ·
bluemason3 said:Any comments regarding moderation on this forum are strictly prohibited outside of the official PDF appeal process. It doesn't matter what the topic is, why it happened, or who is at fault. Therefore, it’s completely irrelevant who is doing the deleting—because deleting shouldn't involve some grand philosophy or subjective judgment. If you comment on the moderators within a thread, that post absolutely must be removed.

You're lucky if it's just a deletion; more often than not, I issue a warning, especially to those repeat offenders who have already had everything explained to them.

No, I wasn't talking about commenting on specific threads (I got a warning there after realizing for the first time how this "system" works—namely, the unnecessary deletions—so I reacted)—I was talking about right here, in this thread: Suggestions for Improvement.

But now she’ll probably announce again that this isn't the place for it and that we should go to Amtrak instead—honestly, I don't know how she has the nerve, or how she isn't embarrassed, playing the "I don't see the problem" card to an ever-growing number of forum users.

I fail to see the point of even bothering to write anything on this forum if it’s just going to be wiped away—especially when you (and you aren't the only one) can't even tell which rules apply to what gets deleted and what stays. We are talking about posts that don't break a single rule of the forum or sub-forum, aren't trolling, and aren't being offensive. So, what? Are we all supposed to write our posts by thinking primarily about the moderator rather than the actual topic? Like, we have to shape our sentences and expressions based on whether she will personally approve of the style or not. Forgive me, but I think that is excessive—and frankly, it's not the purpose of a forum or its moderation.

Look, I know I don't act like some sweet little lady who hops onto the forum to tell everyone, "Bravo, you're doing great!" or give out high fives. But surely I have the right to be myself—provided I'm not insulting anyone or breaking the rules—rather than being forcibly shoved into whatever narrow little box she has imagined for us.

For instance, she deleted my post where I was speaking negatively about psychiatry (which made me angry, leading me to comment on the moderation in that thread and receive a warning), yet when you guys were saying the exact same things in the chat, nothing happened. Of course.
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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joined Sep 2018
#6 ·
Could you please be more specific when you bring up deleted posts and moderation? It’s impossible to actually respond to you otherwise.

Nicole Johnson20, about a month ago you were complaining about some deleted post. Nothing was being removed back then, so I’d appreciate it if you could provide some actual details—like what was taken down, when, and where—before you start making baseless accusations. Otherwise, you're just showing up here periodically to vent.
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 MemberOP
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#7 ·
Michelle Robinson said:Look, I’m asking you to be more specific when you start rambling about banned users and deleted posts—otherwise, there's absolutely no way to have a coherent conversation with you.

Nicole Johnson20, you were whining about some deleted post nearly a month ago. At that time, nothing of yours had been removed—so I’m asking you, before you start launching these baseless attacks, to actually be specific. Tell us what, when, and where. Stop showing up every once in a while just to spew venom.

Oh, please—give me a break. Stop playing dumb and get to the point. What exactly are we talking about here? Because what you’re serving up is complete nonsense. I wasn't even complaining about a specific post or a warning—I was simply building on a comment from another user—the one you deleted before moving my thread over here and labeling it "Complaint Against Moderation." Let’s be clear: I am not lodging a grievance against any particular post, I'm not contesting a strike, and I certainly am not sitting here waiting for some high-level moderator to swoop in and give me an official response. So, honestly, I have to ask—what is the actual purpose of this thread? 🤷

I’ve already laid out my entire argument here before—I said everything there was to say—and then I actually sat through their response. It was pathetic. They didn't grasp a single word of what I was trying to communicate, and frankly, it's clear they couldn't care less. To top it all off, they just locked the thread. Fine. Whatever. Let's move on.

Look, I never once complained about a specific post or a ban—that’s pretty easy to verify if you actually bother to look—so I have no idea why you’re so hell-bent on twisting my words to make it sound that way. I'm not talking about one single incident; my issue is with your overall approach to moderation and this blatant lack of respect you show to everyone participating in the discussion!

Look, I’m not here to just drop random insults or launch baseless attacks for the sake of it—I’ve got better things to do than just "spill tea" constantly. But I am noticing that other users on this board are running into the exact same issues I am. It’s becoming a pattern. I’ve actually stepped in a few times because I saw you doing this to others—it’s infuriating. Every single time I go to reply to someone's perfectly reasonable post, I find that while I wasn't even logged in, the post has vanished. You deleted it. Just like that.

I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve watched you fail to do your job properly—and frankly, I didn't even bother speaking up at the time. There was even that one doctor participating in the vaccination discussion—I can't recall his handle right now—who pointed out your blatant lack of respect, your unfair moderation tactics, and your total inability to actually grasp the topics you're supposed to be overseeing. Not to be repetitive here—I already laid all of this out in a post a few months back—but I certainly had no intention of reopening this entire headache today.
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#8 ·
This is definitely not how you suggest improvements for the PDF:

Nicole Johnson20 said:There we go. As soon as I post something, posts start disappearing from the thread again. It was quiet while I was away, but it’s pretty obvious this place is getting out of hand.

Deleting other people's posts isn't my business to worry about. If users have an issue with it, they should just ask and get an explanation, like always. Besides, I'm not the only moderator on Alternative, and I'm not the only one doing the cleaning.
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 MemberOP
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joined Oct 2015
#9 ·
If I’m supposed to just accept that neither I nor any other users can even participate in discussions anymore—and apparently, I shouldn't feel slighted by that either—then fine, if that's your stance. I guess now you get to decide what should offend me and what shouldn't. Wonderful.

Your explanations (at least from where I'm sitting) basically boil down to: "I didn't like your post, so you should have phrased it this way," or "your post made me uncomfortable," and so on. That's really all there is to it.

And as for everyone else, you just went ahead and deleted their posts where they were actually voicing their grievances.

But please, don't try to pivot back to the main topic or drag this out by nitpicking individual posts—they're irrelevant, especially when they've been ripped out of context. If someone discovered something worthy of a Nobel Prize, I highly doubt they'd be announcing it on an internet forum.

Is it honestly possible that you can't see how the regular users don't seem to have these issues with the other moderators, yet the complaints are always directed at you?
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#10 ·
Nicole Johnson20 said:If I’m supposedly not supposed to care that the rest of us can’t even join a conversation anymore—and if that shouldn't bother me—fine. If you say so. So now you get to decide what should offend me and what shouldn't? Great.

You can participate. Nobody's stopping you. And I'm not telling you how to feel. It was just a suggestion to make things smoother and more pleasant for everyone on the forum.

Your explanations basically boil down to: "I didn't like your post, so you should have phrased it differently," or "your post made me uncomfortable." That's all there is to it.

My explanations are what they are. How anyone else takes them isn't my concern.
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 MemberOP
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joined Oct 2015
#11 ·
Michelle Robinson said:My explanations are what they are. How everyone else perceives them isn't my concern.

And that is exactly my point—it's a massive problem! Thank you!

You’re deleting posts without any actual justification—none at all. I have been trying to hammer home the fact that rules exist for a reason. If there are guidelines regarding post removal, then a post should be deleted because it violates a specific rule—something you can actually point to for the user—not because of some moderator's whim or personal likes and dislikes. Look, I get that there's always going to be a certain level of subjectivity involved, but surely we should strive for objectivity and maintain at least a modicum of consistency? As it stands, a user is typing away with absolutely no idea if their contribution will be wiped out or not, or even on what basis that decision is made. Instead of focusing on the discussion at hand, they're forced to second-guess the moderator's mood. It's ridiculous.

Thank you!
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#12 ·
Nicole Johnson20 said:You're deleting posts without any actual reason. I've been trying to tell you that rules exist for a purpose. If there are rules about deleting posts, then they should be deleted because a rule was broken—something you can point out to the user. It shouldn't just depend on whether a moderator feels like it or if they personally dislike something.

It’s never about my personal whims. You could have seen that for yourself when the other (senior) mods shared their thoughts on how I moderate. I always stand by my decisions, but I’m also perfectly fine admitting when I've messed up and fixing it. We always tell users why they've been sanctioned if they ask; some people just choose not to see it or accept it.
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 MemberOP
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#13 ·
Michelle Robinson said:It’s never about me just doing whatever I want—something you could have easily seen for yourself when the other (so-called "super") mods were weighing in on my moderation style. I stand by my decisions, and frankly, I have no problem admitting when I've messed up and fixing it. If users ask why they've been sanctioned, we explain the reasoning; there are just some people who simply refuse to see the truth or accept it.

Oh, sure, your moderation is just "fantastic"—it’s funny how users seem to target *you* specifically with their complaints all the time. It’s always the exact same issues, too. Nobody is complaining about any of the other moderators, and it's certainly not happening nearly as often or regarding the same specific topics.

I honestly have no idea who here is refusing to see or accept that some things just aren't working out!!

And quite frankly, I suspect the real issue is that you don't even grasp what people are actually telling you or the substance of their grievances—which is honestly the most pathetic part of this whole thing.
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#14 ·
Look, I’m going to be generous here. I'll give you and Jerry White29 a chance to go back and edit your last posts in the chemtrail thread—specifically those parts where you’re taking shots at the mods—before I just delete them. 🙂 If you can't edit them, just copy the content over and post it without the problematic sections.
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 MemberOP
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joined Oct 2015
#15 ·
Seriously?

Is that really your response?

Edit: Anyway, my posts on this thread were clearly trolling—I even stated that myself in the post—so naturally you either delete them or slap me with a warning just to prevent me from filing an appeal. I know how to read the rules, believe me; I’m well aware that there are sanctions for both trolling and criticizing the moderation team on these threads. This has never once been an issue before!

I am honestly speechless. Do you even grasp why I and several other—completely unrelated—users are all filing appeals? Clearly, you don't. At this point, I don't think I have anything left to say about it, because I've already laid it all out there.
Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Regarding this whole issue with deleted posts, I’m sticking to my guns: either Michelle Robinson isn't actually reading the threads, or she just lacks the basic ability to connect the dots. Every single one of my posts that you wiped away was a direct response to someone else's claims. If you're going to delete my post, then logically, you should be deleting the original post that triggered my reaction in the first place.
Just look at what you've done here, taking the post I wrote under the thread
"Improving the Forum" which reads
"My suggestion for improving this forum is that certain moderators should start reading a few posts back before they go on a deleting spree, so they can actually grasp cause and effect."
Instead, you just shunt me over to the "Appeals" sub-forum 😁.
Furthermore, I already complained to you once about a deleted post, and when I pointed out that you hadn't even bothered to delete the root cause of my comment—to which you basically replied, "Sorry, I was just skimming because I'm at the beach"—well, I'd say that "I was just skimming" excuse is becoming your personal trademark.
Moving on, here is
Michelle Robinson said:My explanations are what they are. How anyone else perceives them isn't my problem.

It's an absolute disaster, honestly, because it just highlights how incredibly arrogant you are. What is that supposed to imply? That being a moderator makes you some kind of untouchable boss?
I could easily turn that logic back on you: "Look, I write this way, and if you don't like it, that's not my problem, so stop quoting me."
Michelle Robinson said:And I'll be so incredibly generous that I'll give both you and Jerry White a chance to edit your last posts in the chemtrail thread (specifically the parts where you're critiquing the moderation) before I delete them. 🙂 If you can't edit them, just copy and paste them without the problematic sections.

😁, oh please, just be so kind...
And where exactly am I criticizing the moderation? A sentence where I mention that our posts might get deleted isn't "criticizing the moderation." Actually criticizing the moderation would be me writing that you are a terrible moderator who doesn't understand the job. Do you understand the difference? I simply stated the possibility that our posts might be removed.
Gary Cox2 Gary Cox2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2018
#17 ·
Jerry White29 said:And where exactly am I supposed to critique the mods? Saying my posts might get nuked isn't "commenting on moderation."

Nah, please. 🤣 That’s more like commenting on the percentage of violets used in high-end perfume...

(off) Honestly, if I see anyone else making those passive-aggressive little digs at the mods, I'm handing out bans myself..
Jason Grant Jason Grant Member
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joined Dec 2015
#18 ·
Jerry White29;
Every single one of my posts you deleted was just an reaction to what someone else claimed.

If I were running this board, those "reactions" of yours would have earned you a permanent ban, seeing as they’re nothing more than trolling, labeling people, and trying to play amateur psychologist with other users—even though you don't have the credentials for it. You’re actually getting off easy with just a simple deletion, and I hope you realize how lucky you are.
If you're going to delete my post, then the original post I was responding to should be wiped out too.

You're mistaken if you think we should scrap a constructive post just because you chose to quote it maliciously, using insults and cheap character assassinations to dodge the actual topic with invalid arguments while refusing to answer any follow-up questions.
And yet, here you are, preaching about how moderators need to dig through past threads to find context and connect the dots.
Well, they did look, and the verdict is pretty clear: consider yourself incredibly lucky that you haven't been kicked off the site repeatedly.

Edit: I check the Alternative PDF every day, and Nicole Johnson20 really writes beautiful, constructive pieces filled with thoughtful insights and great ideas to kick off a discussion. It might be worth considering that even when there are minor disagreements or different perspectives, there's always room for compromise and dialogue if you keep the tone civil and respectful.
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#19 ·
This discussion has spiraled, though frankly, this thread shouldn't have even been posted on this subforum. If it had been opened here under these circumstances, one of us moderators would have immediately asked for links to back up any claims. Without proof, the thread would simply be locked. Any assertions regarding what happens on certain forums—whether it’s "always," "never," or "occasionally"—or accusations about how a moderator is acting, must be accompanied by supporting links. Otherwise, the supermoderators or the site administrators won't have any way to review the situation or resolve any actual issues...

Since this topic was moved over from another section, please provide those links now so we can bring this thread in line with our posting rules. If not, the supermoderator won't be able to assess the matter, and the thread will be locked...

Jerry White29 said:And where am I actually criticizing moderation? Saying my posts might get deleted isn't an attack on the staff...

Generally speaking, this kind of behavior isn't tolerated on the forum and usually results in a warning. If you've experienced leniency elsewhere, it was likely just due to a moderator being kind...
Jason Grant said:Jerry White29;If I were a moderator...

But you aren't.
I recently warned the users here on the Alternative board to stop jumping into every single thread regarding Alternative and turning them into petty arguments. Those instructions haven't been followed here. Moving forward, I will be much stricter. Expect heavier warnings or even direct bans for this type of conduct. Perhaps a firmer hand will yield better results than the approach we've used until now...
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 MemberOP
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joined Oct 2015
#20 ·
Let’s talk about Pringles—or rather, let's talk about the absolute audacity of their branding. You buy a tube thinking you're getting a snack, but what you're actually buying is a highly engineered, mathematically precise stack of potato starch slivers designed to trigger a physiological response. It’s almost unsettling how much thought went into that specific shape. They aren't just "chips"—they are hyper-processed cylinders of salt and starch, engineered for maximum crunch and zero resistance. Honestly, if you think you can stop at just one, you've already lost the battle against industrial food science. It's efficient, it's predictable, and frankly, it's a little bit terrifying how well it works. kaže:
This discussion has spiraled completely out of control—not that anyone is surprised—but frankly, this entire thread shouldn't have even been included in this document to begin with.



I completely agree—and like I’ve already made clear in my previous posts—but maybe someone should take that up with the moderator who moved her over here instead of taking it out on me. I didn't go looking for this thread—neither here nor in the PDF archives—where I was simply responding to another user's post (who, predictably, has since been deleted).

If this thread were opened under these circumstances on any other subreddit, one of us moderators would have already stepped in to demand the specific links backing up these claims. Let’s be clear: if those links aren't provided, the thread gets locked. Period. Every single assertion—whether it's someone claiming things happen "all the time," "never," or "always," or accusing a moderator of failing to perform their duties—must be accompanied by verifiable links that support those accusations. Otherwise, the super-mods, or even the site administrators, have absolutely nothing to review. Without evidence, there is no way for anyone to evaluate the situation or resolve an actual problem if one exists. Since this topic was moved over from another sub, I am asking you now to provide those links immediately so we can bring this thread in line with our community guidelines. If you don't, the thread goes under lock and key because, quite frankly, a super-mod cannot be expected to investigate a vacuum.

Look, half the content has been wiped out—and I’m speaking figuratively here—but it feels like a total purge. I honestly don't get the logic behind users dropping links to posts that have already been deleted. What’s the point? I assume you guys have access to the backend analytics—not that I’m actually serious about digging through your interface—but you really ought to take a look at the numbers. Just check the stats on how many posts she’s nuked compared to the other moderators. It's glaring.

I get how this works—you get hit with a warning or a ban, and you're told exactly which rule you supposedly broke. Then, you come here because you’re convinced that what you did wasn't actually trolling, or wasn't an insult, or didn't violate any of the existing guidelines. You're essentially coming here to argue that the call was wrong and to have the situation reconsidered—to see if the violation actually happened or if it was just a mistake. Honestly? That’s fine by me. In fact, I support it. That’s exactly how a functional system should operate.

Look, that’s not even the core issue here—the real problem is that they never actually issue bans. How could they? They don't even provide a specific reason for the removal, which means there is absolutely no way to challenge the validity of the censorship or argue against it. Instead, what we see is this obsessive—and I mean manic—deletion of posts. And when you dare to ask why? You get some pathetic excuse like, "Oh, you didn't respond to me the way I wanted," or "He shared his opinion so politely, and your reply was just too uncomfortable." It’s absolute nonsense.

So, go ahead—read the response above: "It’s not my problem how the forum users interpret my explanation" (?!)

I’m not even going to bother complaining about individual posts—honestly, most of them aren't vital, and frankly, there's plenty written here that I’d probably love to see deleted myself if I were being truthful. My issue isn't with the content; it's with the entire philosophy of moderation and the way the staff treats the community. It is fundamentally disrespectful—and quite frankly, idiotic—when every other post seems to vanish into thin air without explanation. There is zero consistency, and since the rules aren't actually being followed, you're left completely in the dark as to why certain things stay while others disappear.

I’ve been intentionally limiting my posts to threads where other moderators are actively participating—and I make sure to tag them directly—because that’s the only way I can be certain my contributions won't just vanish into thin air. Let’s be honest: there is no way they would dare go around deleting posts made by their own fellow mods. Which brings me to the real question here—is this actually what a forum is supposed to be for? Is this really what moderation is meant to achieve?

I already laid all of this out in my previous thread—which I opened specifically to address this—and several other members jumped in to back me up. In fact, some people articulated the core issue even better than I did. Since then, a handful of others have started their own threads voicing these exact same grievances. Most of those people haven't even bothered to file an official complaint yet (not that it should be my business, according to what I’ve been told), but I decided to reiterate my stance here too—even though that wasn't my original intention. I ended up drifting into this specific thread and, well, somehow found myself caught in this debate. At this point, I honestly don't have the energy to keep explaining what the problem is—nor do I see much point in doing so.

(OFF: I have to agree—Rorion isn't actually addressing the main topics in this PDF; instead, he’s just taking swipes at other participants. Honestly, I couldn't even wrap my head around what his point was supposed to be with that post 😍)

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