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Participants darkhawk14Scott Allen10Jamie Clark74stormylynx14placidfox55
darkhawk14 darkhawk14 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Hey everyone

I’ve posted about my sciatica and herniated disc before, but honestly, there’s no point starting a whole new thread since it feels like ages ago now.

Can anyone give me the lowdown on what kind of "side effects" I should expect from this surgery? This thing—whether it leaked out of the disc or just bulged out, I don't even know how to describe it—is sitting right in the center and absolutely crushing my nerve.

Thanks
darkhawk14 darkhawk14 NewcomerOP
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#2 ·
Alright, maybe I didn't frame that right.
Maybe asking "what are the actual risks here?" would’ve been a better way to put it.
Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
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#3 ·
Honestly, you’re probably better off picking the brain of a neurosurgeon or an orthopedic specialist, depending on where you're planning to have the procedure done.
You can basically split the risks into two buckets: there's the general stuff that comes with any surgery under general anesthesia—like heart rate or breathing hiccups—and then there's the specific risks tied to the actual site, like nerve root compression or other surgical complications.
I know I don't have all the answers, but when it comes to spinal disc herniations, everything is just so incredibly individual; you really need to talk to the doctor who actually sat down with you, looked over your X-ray, CT scan, or MRI, and was the one to recommend the surgery in the first place.
darkhawk14 darkhawk14 NewcomerOP
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#4 ·
thanks Scott Allen10
The thing is, the surgery is already over... so I honestly can't tell if these issues I'm having are a direct result of the procedure or just some weird coincidence.
Can you break it down for me a bit?

Scott Allen10 said:specific ones—basically stuff related to the actual surgical site, like damage or loss of function from a compressed spinal nerve root, or even iatrogenic complications...
Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
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#5 ·
So, what kind of specific symptoms are you dealing with that make you think surgery is the only way out?
It’s not really my specialty, but hey... maybe someone here who specializes in herniated discs can weigh in and give you some clarity.
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#6 ·
darkhawk14, I’ve pulled all the info together into one thread. You’ll find everything you mentioned over the last two years right there.

So, what's the issue now? If surgery was involved... well, nobody can read your mind!

I can give you the same answers regarding complications or unsuccessful procedures as I did before.

Every case is unique. No two patients are the same, even if they show identical symptoms.

Just ask your question. I've been searching for answers for 35 years.

The thread includes diagrams of the disc and some graphic images that make things pretty easy to visualize.
Was the procedure a laminotomy or a laminectomy?

A laminotomy is much less invasive since the lamina isn't removed.

Laminotomy & laminectomy!
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#7 ·
Here are just some example links from a different thread;

Various issues regarding spinal discs!

A healthy disc!

Disc protrusion or bulging!

The area of disc protrusion!

An illustration of the vertebrae following a laminectomy procedure!

The second link covers all the surgical details—what to expect during and after the procedure, including success rates and potential complications.

darkhawk14, you're already an expert on all of this!!!
darkhawk14 darkhawk14 NewcomerOP
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#8 ·
Thanks for the input

Jamie Clark74, look, I get the general idea, but this isn't my field. I’m not about to sit here and play doctor by guessing

The thing is, I don't actually get what a disc looks like or just HOW much of a jelly-like mess it really is... why am I asking?
Like I said, the herniation was right in the center
The surgery focused on the right side and it seems to have worked... the numbness in my leg is fading and now it's just down to my foot... zero pain

But here's the kicker (and since I'm a layman, I can't explain it perfectly, but I want to know my stuff before I head to my follow-up): the exact same symptoms that forced me into surgery have started popping up in my OTHER leg—the left one (though honestly, it's not quite as bad yet)
That means: this shooting pain that swirls around my hip and travels down the back of my leg to the knee

So now I'm stuck wondering—is this just a fluke or did the surgery cause this?

There it is
That's the million-dollar question
I'm seeing my primary care physician tomorrow, so I'll grab the intake and surgical reports from the hospital. Once I have those, maybe I can give you guys a more coherent breakdown

Thanks
darkhawk14 darkhawk14 NewcomerOP
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#9 ·
Is it actually possible for a surgeon to shove a disc to the left during surgery and end up pinning a nerve like that?

There it is.

😕
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#10 ·
darkhawk14 said:Could the surgeon have accidentally pushed the disc to the left during surgery, causing it to press against the nerve now?

That’s the question.

😕

First off, the links above show images illustrating how a disc looks and where bulging occurs.

You didn't mention when the surgery happened or what kind it was—usually, it's either a laminectomy or a less invasive laminotomy.

Generally speaking, if the pain is gone after surgery, it was a success. It isn't unusual to still feel some back pain or even sympathetic pain in the other leg afterward... though it really depends on the intensity.

I knew my own surgery hadn't worked just a week later... the pain persisted and started radiating down my other leg.

I suspect your husband today (33 years after I had my version of this surgery)... might be seeing a completely different, successful outcome.

I'm interested to see your report tomorrow.
Best of luck with everything.
Jamie Clark74
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#11 ·


MRI showing a herniated disk

The left MRI shows a side view of the herniated disk, indicated by the white arrow.

The right MRI provides a cross-section view of the herniation.
Looking down the spinal column from the head's perspective... the white arrow points to the herniated disk, while the black arrow shows the nerve that isn't being compressed.

A graphic representation of the herniated disk!
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#12 ·

Central stenosis, lateral recess stenosis, and foraminal stenosis.
stormylynx14 stormylynx14 Active Member
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#13 ·
darkhawk14 said:Could the surgeon have pushed the disc to the left during surgery, causing it to press against the nerve now?

Exactly.

😕

Unlikely. However, when I was weighing my options before surgery, the talk was always about spinal instability following such procedures—until the entire segment eventually fuses. That usually applies to more extensive surgeries. Perhaps that’s what happened here. Your axial stability isn't quite the same as it was pre-op, so maybe some movement in the vertebrae is putting pressure on that left nerve. Regardless, you need a neurological exam first to check motor skills, sensation, and reflexes. Then, if necessary, get a CT scan.
placidfox55 placidfox55 Active Member
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#14 ·
Surgery is usually the move if you're dealing with serious nerve issues, like losing control over your bladder or bowels.

If we’re just talking about standard lower back pain, honestly, surgery doesn't offer much more of an advantage than sticking to conservative treatments.
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#15 ·
placidfox55 said:Surgery is usually recommended for serious spinal issues, like losing bladder or bowel control.

If we're just talking about standard chronic back pain, surgery doesn't actually perform any better than conservative therapy.


To be classified as a "chronic pain patient," there are certain criteria you have to meet—it’s not just something you decide for yourself. You have to go through a specialized pain management clinic.
Basically, if someone deals with continuous, unbearable pain for more than three months without relief, they are designated as a "chronic pain patient." This usually applies when there is clear neurological damage, or when dealing with patients who have already had unsuccessful surgeries, or those whose issues resurface years later.

At the clinic, these cases are often referred to as "failed back surgery syndrome." A specialist from the clinic handles things after the patient goes through evaluations by nurses, physical therapists,
psychologists or psychiatrists, and the pain management specialist overseeing the case. The whole team meets with the patient to discuss the next steps, and you usually get a plan within 6 to 8 hours.
They might use 4 or 5 different medications, one of which is a placebo. These are administered every hour with short breaks. The injections used are much stronger than what you'd get normally, so you can see pretty quickly—within 10 to 15 minutes—if they actually help manage the pain.

They also use various antidepressants, which can work effectively for pain as well. Even then, about 30% of patients can't be helped.
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Standard pain crises, if they aren't neurological in nature, mostly improve on their own within 4 to 6 weeks—though it varies depending on the person.

Out of everyone seeing neurologists or orthopedic specialists, only about 5% actually end up having surgery. Some of those undergo a discectomy, which is a lighter procedure. But all surgeries carry the risk of neurological consequences, similar to the
patient's original symptoms, so you always have to weigh the risks against the potential success and necessity.

It's normal to go through an acute pain phase that lasts up to 3 months.
We don't jump into surgery until every conservative treatment option has been exhausted. I mean, what exactly would you operate on if someone only has chronic pain?

That's why you start with an X-ray, move to a CT scan, and eventually get an MRI. In my case, I needed an MRI with contrast because it provides a much clearer view of the nerves, especially when dealing with multiple injuries, previous surgeries, or other complications.

In my experience, we shouldn't just take a specialist's word that everything will be perfect. Success rates hover around 85%. For some procedures, like my second surgery, the guarantee was much lower—maybe only a 40-50% improvement. When you're someone who can barely walk 150 to 250 feet, you'll take whatever chance you can get.

Best,

🙂 😉 😎
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#16 ·
stormylynx14 said:Not quite, but when I was facing my own surgery decision, there was general talk about spinal instability following those types of procedures—at least until the entire segment undergoes fusion after a major operation. That might be the issue. Axially, that whole segment isn't as fixed as it was before the surgery, so perhaps some movement caused pressure on your left nerve. Either way, you really need a neurological exam first (checking motor skills, sensation, reflexes) and then maybe a CT scan if needed.


Oh, stormylynx14... it’s easy to say when you have the social safety net in Switzerland... as far as I know, you were hospitalized for herniated discs or sciatica.

I arrived in Australia back in 1969. There was no social security back then, and I got injured in 1970. I spent 18 months struggling with an L5-S1 herniated disc, wearing a brace... but what choice did I have? I tried everything, including natural remedies... and I kept working. I think you know how much it hurts and how much it limits your movement... but I couldn't show it too much, or I would have been fired.

We even tried an Epidural, but nothing helped. The disc was at its worst, a grade 5. But there wasn't much I could do; nobody pays your bills if you aren't working.

Even after the surgery, things didn't improve much because I waited too long. I ended up disabled and had to work three jobs just to get by.
Because I needed the money, I went back to work just five or six weeks after surgery... whereas others would stay home for six months.
And surgeries back in 1972 weren't nearly as advanced as they are today. I had a 30cm incision... whereas last year, during a more complicated two-level surgery, I only had a 12-15cm incision.

If there's one thing I've learned from doctors and specialists, it's that I have a very high pain tolerance.

But everything has its limit. Even though I was declared disabled, I never applied for disability benefits—not until the government started the new social system in 1974—because I had to raise my kids and put them through school.

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darkhawk14 darkhawk14 NewcomerOP
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#17 ·
Can we please get back to the actual topic? Like, how the hell does a hernia suddenly shift from being dead center-right to dead center-left right when the surgery starts?

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Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#18 ·
darkhawk14 said:I’d appreciate it if we could get back to the main point—how on earth did my hernia shift from the center-right to the center-left right when I was having surgery?

😕

It’s 3:35 AM here, so I really need to get some sleep.

What specifically did the specialist tell you?
Do you have any actual paperwork, like a CT scan, an MRI, or just the doctor's report?

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If the disc was pressing on the nerve in your right leg before the surgery... and now the pain is gone... then everything is fine. Where are you getting this idea about the hernia moving?
🙄
darkhawk14 darkhawk14 NewcomerOP
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#19 ·
Jamie Clark74 said:...............

And where the hell did you get the idea about the hernia moving?
🙄

Look, I can't explain exactly how the pain jumped from my right side over to the left... so I figured maybe
a) the same old hernia just slid a bit to the left
b) the doctor shoved it around during surgery
c) all that extra junk from the operation—you know, the internal sutures and swelling—is just crushing a nerve and sending shooting pains down my leg

🙄 Since none of my theories sounded great, I asked the doc how much of a jelly-like mess that disc actually is and if it could really just shift like that. 😲
There.
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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#20 ·
@goga

I’ve been following your husband’s situation for two years now.

He had surgery... but you haven't mentioned when or what kind. There are several different types—some are minimally invasive while others are much more intensive, like
a laminectomy. You didn't specify if he had a fusion or not either.

Regarding your question about the disc, the gel, and the shifting:
Since the whole point of the surgery is to remove whatever part of the disc is pressing on the nerve, that material is actually removed, not just shifted around.

You didn't mention anything about seeing a specialist or what happened during that appointment. What did the doctor actually say?

To get any real answers here, we're going to need a few more details.

If there's a language barrier with the English, my advice is to stop guessing at the medical terms. Find a translator through the hospital or the clinic; they are legally required to help you understand everything clearly.

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