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Participants Andrew Chase31dustypuma5Ryan Vaughn7steeleagle70
Andrew Chase31 Andrew Chase31 Active MemberOP
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joined Jan 2013
#1 ·
Look, generally speaking, I don't usually complain about moderation or getting warnings. I don't really think my venting is going to change much, so I usually just let it go.

But now, curiosity is actually getting the better of me...
What I’m trying to wrap my head around is why the thread about Bill Clinton was basically scrubbed by the mods for absolutely no reason. Open discussion is allowed here, which obviously gives those leftist trolls enough room to start up with their usual clichés—the kind that lead conservatives to label them as enemies or even call for violence. But then, once you give them a polite, civilized response, that's when the bans and deletions start flying.

To be specific, in a debate like that—which was totally within the rules and had reached eight pages—I ended up getting a warning for a completely normal post (and there are millions of people trolling like that every single day). I'm not even complaining about that, though; honestly, whatever, hand out the warnings if you want, I still love you guys.😍
Then comes the deleting of posts. My well-reasoned response to Stagediver's post was deleted, yet his post is still sitting right there. If my reply to him wasn't good enough, it's apparently because it didn't stick strictly to the topic. But if my response was off-topic, then the very post I was quoting and replying to shouldn't be there either, yet it remains untouched.

In short, it's fascinating how threads about leftist icons get polished and cleaned up regardless of logic, while any "hateful conservative" gets hit with a nasty little surprise. Meanwhile, on threads about Ronald Reagan or Donald Rumsfeld, people can post absolute garbage that makes a sane person want to gag, and yet it's perfectly tolerated. It feels pointless. You don't need to do this.

I don't plan on going back to that thread because the inconsistent moderation has completely ruined the discussion. Now, the thread about the late Bill Clinton will shine brightly, just as befits such a legendary figure.
dustypuma5 dustypuma5 Active Member
111 messages
joined Apr 2013
#2 ·
Andrew Chase31 said:I'm not going back to that thread because you guys totally trashed the discussion with that patchy moderation. Now this thread about Clinton is just gonna be a total shrine to that glorious icon, I guess.

Man, this guy just won't budge. I guess as long as we've still got ExxonMobil, the big banks, and all that US debt to play with, there’s plenty of ways we can mess things up. Maybe.

Not to get off track, but some guy was actually sticking up for me against... Some coworker's harassment... I guess.I'm not even asking for the First Lady to get sanctioned or anything, I just think calling out mods in action threads should count as trolling. Or maybe it shouldn't, I don't know. Just how I see it.
Man, I don't know, I guess I turned red like a few times over that.

Look, I just want us to stick to the point. Let's talk about Clinton, like how he tried to sell off ExxonMobil or the whole banking thing, and all the other mess from his term. I don't really feel like explaining myself if we aren't actually talking about that stuff.
Ryan Vaughn7 Ryan Vaughn7 Active Member
154 messages
joined Jul 2009
#3 ·
Andrew Chase31 said:It allows for much more open communication, which naturally helps those on the left...

And there’s your red card. You just repeated the same thing right here. If you admit you can't read, I might consider taking it back.
Andrew Chase31 Andrew Chase31 Active MemberOP
112 messages
joined Jan 2013
#4 ·
Honestly, this thread should probably just stay focused on Clinton, but once it starts drifting, things get messy. And if it does drift, the moderation needs to be fair and consistent across the board. Right now, Stagediver's post is still up, my reply to him was deleted, and then his comeback to my reply stays right there in the thread. Is it a little messed up? Yeah, a bit.

Not to mention how many bans the conservative users on those other forums are still sitting with, while we get flagged or have our civilized comments wiped out. It just doesn't make any sense.
Andrew Chase31 Andrew Chase31 Active MemberOP
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joined Jan 2013
#5 ·
Ryan Vaughn7 said:Here’s why you got flagged—you repeated yourself right here. If you admit you just can't read, I'll take the ban away.

Maybe I'm just a bit of a Hillbilly 😁

Look, man, this isn't trolling. Every single day, people call us conservatives things like "firebrand extremists," "ultra-patriots," or "die-hard partisans." Honestly, those kinds of insults don't even phase me, especially since my post was actually meant to be helpful. But like I said at the start, I'm not complaining about the warning; it doesn't really bother me. My point is that we're here to talk about how the moderation team has basically ruined the discussion by deleting replies to posts that weren't even removed in the first place...
steeleagle70 steeleagle70 Active Member
85 messages
joined May 2012
#6 ·
Isn't being an insult just part of the deal for the left wing?
Andrew Chase31 Andrew Chase31 Active MemberOP
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joined Jan 2013
#7 ·
steeleagle70 said:Isn't being called a leftist just considered an insult these days?

I mean, if I'm just some Hillbilly, then for me, there are just liberals and conservatives... so what? 😁

I don't see why that would be an insult; it's just pointing out someone's political leaning. It's way milder than terms like "fascists" or "extremists" that people throw around without anyone ever calling them out. I've actually been called a "fascist" a few times myself, even though my whole family has deep roots in the old labor movements...
Ryan Vaughn7 Ryan Vaughn7 Active Member
154 messages
joined Jul 2009
#8 ·
Andrew Chase31 said:Maybe I'm just a bit of a Hillbilly 😁

Man, that wasn't trolling. Every single day, people call us conservatives things like "firebrands," "old-schoolers," or "redneck enthusiasts." Honestly, those kinds of posts don't even make me blush, especially when mine was meant to be genuinely helpful.
steeleagle70 steeleagle70 Active Member
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joined May 2012
#9 ·
Andrew Chase31 said:If I'm just some Hillbilly, then sure, lefties and righties exist for me... but seriously? 😁

I don't see why that's an insult. It's just pointing out someone's political vibe. It’s way milder than calling people "fascists" or worse—stuff that nobody ever gets in trouble for. I've actually been called a "fascist" a few times myself, even though my whole family has deep roots in the Democratic party...

Look, if you're going to claim you're just some Hillbilly, maybe watch your wording so people don't get the wrong idea. When you call someone a leftist, it's pretty obvious what you're implying, right? You're insulting them. Same goes if they call you a hardline conservative. It's the same thing.

If it isn't an insult, then it's just textbook trolling. You're clearly saying it just to piss off the other side, aren't you?
dustypuma5 dustypuma5 Active Member
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joined Apr 2013
#10 ·
Andrew Chase31 said:If I'm just a regular countryman, then lefties and righties exist for me... I mean, whatever. 😁

I don't see why that's an insult; it’s just pointing out someone's stance. It’s way milder than being called "fascists" or "Nazis," which nobody ever gets penalized for. I've been called a "Nazi" a few times myself, even though my whole family was strictly old-school Democrat...

Man, I've been called rigid, an extremist, and a hundred other labels dozens of times by now.

The issue is definitely that you can't get used to being that guy, not the words themselves. 😁

Because leftists aren't actually leftists, and that offends them, but you aren't supposed to be offended if you're called rural, a hick, radical, or some firebrand who listens to Thompson and sings folk songs when he's feeling sentimental. Because that's just who you are. Just admit how much you're actually into that stuff. 🙂

But seriously, I don't care when I get banned for breaking rules. Lately, I've been collecting bans like they're nothing. If they weren't handing them out, I'd actually be worried about myself.

It sucks that we're banned from doing what everyone else is allowed to do. Honestly, I don't even care anymore.

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