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Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 RegularOP
311 messages
joined Apr 2019
#1 ·
Jeff Foster is just some guy from down the street. Enlightened. Why couldn't we be?
2012 is the year for enlightenment (just like any other 😉 ).

Jeff Foster (www.lifewithoutacentre.com)
Are you freaking out about 'losing control' of your life? What if you weren't actually 'in control' to begin with? What if it wasn't even 'your' life in the first place?

image


Jeff Foster (www.lifewithoutacentre.com)
Do you fear 'losing control' of your life? What if you were never really 'in control' in the first place? What if it was never really 'your' life?


The game:
http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/re...magine-a-game/

🙂

“In the beginning,
trees were trees,
mountains were mountains,
and rivers were rivers.

Then came the time when trees were no longer trees, mountains were no longer mountains, and rivers were no longer rivers.

Now, trees are trees again,
mountains are mountains again,
and rivers are rivers again.”

- Zen proverb
David Miller55 David Miller55 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2012
#2 ·
And who says Maya wasn't right all along when she predicted 2012 would be the year of a total paradigm shift—the "death" of one world and the "birth" of another?😲

Even our colleague Anthony Perez9, who has spent his time stubbornly churning out those sour,
angry, malicious, dark, and negative pamphlets—mostly just rehashed translations from some obscure American "anti-sites"😉—is suddenly offering us something
wonderful, optimistic, and enlightened for a change.🙂
Chi breaks through where even a sword cannot penetrate.😁

Let’s hope this positive shift acts like a worm burrowing into the hard, indigestible apple of negativity that Anthony Perez9 has been serving us from his little stall for years.
Perhaps in just ten incarnations, our dear Anthony Perez9 will finally open his inner eye and
find something good even in the Bible or the Gospels, allowing him to write on these future forums with the same fervor he used to have.😛 🙂

Bravo, Anthony Perez9.🙏
Honestly, I was starting to worry that frogs and fish would reach the OMEGA point before Anthony Perez9 ever stopped playing that same broken record of malice and negativity.🙂
Daniel Castillo11 Daniel Castillo11 Active Member
73 messages
joined Oct 2010
#3 ·
But honestly, what Jeff is teaching essentially dismantles every religion and all forms of spirituality out there—even those more agnostic paths like Advaita Vedanta, let alone Christianity, which tends to crumble the moment you start applying any real critical scrutiny to it.

There is simply no requirement for external saviors, fairies, spirits, gods, or even the devil...

The individual life is actually just Life being viewed through the eyes of an illusory self. Jeff, much like certain naturalistic philosophers and pantheists, maintains that Life—that ultimate Steak/Absolute—is ever-present, right here and now. There is no need to go searching because we are already "home." All spiritualities and religions are built upon duality and the supernatural, acting as if some otherworldly realm is our true home or essence. But if everything truly Is, then searching becomes redundant. Simply abandoning the search is what constitutes "enlightenment" (if we absolutely must use such confusing terminology). I believe the late Jiddu Krishnamurti would have found common ground with that sentiment.

If I may draw a parallel to the philosophy of immanence and Gilles Deleuze, Life—or what he refers to as the "chaosmos" (a blend of chaos and cosmos)—is an infinite sequence of processes, dynamically scattered yet fundamentally interconnected. In this view, the illusion of separation between subject and object dissolves. In reality, Life is a flow in which it is impossible to capture its essence and then proceed to talk about it. That is precisely why theology and sacred texts ultimately fail. The very notion of searching for something that is already present is quite damaging; it is a waste of precious time and only serves to fuel anxiety—the "I must achieve this or that" mentality—and existential crises.

Thomas Metzinger, a modern philosopher working in tandem with neuroscience, has arrived at a new metaphysical model suggesting that every form of individuality is illusory, including the little "ego," the grand "Self," and every variety of identity we cling to. These types of attachments are merely products of cultural, genetic, biological, and psychological conditioning. For Metzinger, the "self" is always a phenomenon and never a noumenon (or a distinct essence/object). Subject and object are just standard polarities within the human brain. However, Life/Steak/Existence exists as a self-sufficient entity, without any need for external objects to somehow cause that Steak. This effectively dismantles creationist arguments and implies a radical rejection of anything "transcendental," because the mere idea of something distant and artificially severed from the Steak itself is inherently problematic.

@Anthony Perez9

Man...

👍 Cheers to atheistic spirituality! 🙂
Daniel Castillo11 Daniel Castillo11 Active Member
73 messages
joined Oct 2010
#4 ·
"You can’t say anything about that energy — it is already manifesting itself, expressing itself in a boundless way; it has no limitations, no boundaries. It is not yours, not mine; it belongs to everybody. You are part of that. You are an expression of that. Just as the flower is an expression of life, you are another expression of life.
What is behind all this is life. What it is, you will never know."

Jiddu Krishnamurti

Such a profound quote, and it really hits home. Jeff Foster expressed essentially the same sentiment over on his page.
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 RegularOP
311 messages
joined Apr 2019
#5 ·
David Miller55 said:And who says Maya wasn't right all along when she predicted 2012 would be the year of a total paradigm shift—the "death" of one world and the "birth" of another?😲

Even our colleague Anthony Perez9, who has spent his time stubbornly churning out those sour,
angry, malicious, dark, and negative pamphlets—mostly just rehashed translations from some obscure American "anti-sites"😉—is suddenly offering us something
wonderful, optimistic, and enlightened for a change.🙂
Chi breaks through where even a sword cannot penetrate.😁

Let’s hope this positive shift acts like a worm burrowing into the hard, indigestible apple of negativity that Anthony Perez9 has been serving us from his little stall for years.
Perhaps in just ten incarnations, our dear Anthony Perez9 will finally open his inner eye and
find something good even in the Bible or the Gospels, allowing him to write on these future forums with the same fervor he used to have.😛 🙂

Bravo, Anthony Perez9.🙏
Honestly, I was starting to worry that frogs and fish would reach the OMEGA point before Anthony Perez9 ever stopped playing that same broken record of malice and negativity.🙂

That whole "Mayan calendar apocalypse" thing is just pure garbage cooked up by writers looking to cash in on sensationalist nonsense for gullible New Age types.

We can see how our buddy Anthony Perez9, who’s spent his time here cranking out nothing but bitter, angry, malicious, dark, and negative pamphlets ripped straight from some "anti-" websites, ...

😂

Anthony Perez9 is just trying to flush all that religious junk out of the heads of people obsessed with God. It's about tossing Jesus-God down the toilet and flushing so he doesn't accidentally crawl back in some other Jesus-form. 🙂

...offers us all something
wonderful, optimistic, and enlightened🙂

Anthony Perez9 is always "offering" it; some people just don't like the full "package." They want to cherry-pick. 😉

Chi forces its way through where even a drill cannot go.

Chi as an "atheistic approach." lol
Despite all the theological gymnastics from obsessed apologists and organized churches. 👍

Let's hope this positive change acts like a worm of doubt, eating away at the hard, indigestible apple of negativity that Anthony Perez9 has been serving us from his little soapbox for years.

You're being ridiculous. Anthony Perez9 hasn't changed his tune one bit since he first showed up on this forum.

Maybe in a dozen reincarnations, our good friend Anthony Perez9 will finally open his inner eye and find something decent in the Bible or the Gospels, writing about them on these future forums with the same zeal he's always had.

Just religious pipe dreams... whether they come from the East or the West. 🙂

nice one, Anthony Perez9 🙏

For the whole thing? lol

honestly, I was more worried that frogs and fish would hit the OMEGA point before Anthony Perez9 finally stopped playing that same old broken record filled with nothing but malice and negativity 🙂

Good luck washing out that Krishna-God. lol
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 RegularOP
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joined Apr 2019
#6 ·
Daniel Castillo11 said:But honestly, what Jeff is teaching essentially dismantles every religion and all forms of spirituality out there—even those more agnostic paths like Advaita Vedanta, let alone Christianity, which tends to crumble the moment you start applying any real critical scrutiny to it.

There is simply no requirement for external saviors, fairies, spirits, gods, or even the devil...

The individual life is actually just Life being viewed through the eyes of an illusory self. Jeff, much like certain naturalistic philosophers and pantheists, maintains that Life—that ultimate Steak/Absolute—is ever-present, right here and now. There is no need to go searching because we are already "home." All spiritualities and religions are built upon duality and the supernatural, acting as if some otherworldly realm is our true home or essence. But if everything truly Is, then searching becomes redundant. Simply abandoning the search is what constitutes "enlightenment" (if we absolutely must use such confusing terminology). I believe the late Jiddu Krishnamurti would have found common ground with that sentiment.

If I may draw a parallel to the philosophy of immanence and Gilles Deleuze, Life—or what he refers to as the "chaosmos" (a blend of chaos and cosmos)—is an infinite sequence of processes, dynamically scattered yet fundamentally interconnected. In this view, the illusion of separation between subject and object dissolves. In reality, Life is a flow in which it is impossible to capture its essence and then proceed to talk about it. That is precisely why theology and sacred texts ultimately fail. The very notion of searching for something that is already present is quite damaging; it is a waste of precious time and only serves to fuel anxiety—the "I must achieve this or that" mentality—and existential crises.

Thomas Metzinger, a modern philosopher working in tandem with neuroscience, has arrived at a new metaphysical model suggesting that every form of individuality is illusory, including the little "ego," the grand "Self," and every variety of identity we cling to. These types of attachments are merely products of cultural, genetic, biological, and psychological conditioning. For Metzinger, the "self" is always a phenomenon and never a noumenon (or a distinct essence/object). Subject and object are just standard polarities within the human brain. However, Life/Steak/Existence exists as a self-sufficient entity, without any need for external objects to somehow cause that Steak. This effectively dismantles creationist arguments and implies a radical rejection of anything "transcendental," because the mere idea of something distant and artificially severed from the Steak itself is inherently problematic.

@Anthony Perez9

Man...

👍 Cheers to atheistic spirituality! 🙂

You mentioned a few heavy hitters. 👍

It’s high time we strip the halo off these "spiritual quests" and call them what they really are—just broken, dysfunctional mental loops. Thinking God is going to swoop in and fix us because we're too weak to handle it ourselves is just another way of turning our backs on Simple Awareness. 🙂
Daniel Castillo11 Daniel Castillo11 Active Member
73 messages
joined Oct 2010
#7 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:You mentioned a few heavy hitters. 👍

It’s high time we strip the halo off these "spiritual quests" and call them what they really are—just broken, dysfunctional mental loops. Thinking God is going to swoop in and fix us because we're too weak to handle it ourselves is just another way of turning our backs on Simple Awareness. 🙂

You’re essentially talking about a short circuit in the brain. 🙂

The whole concept of a God separate from creation—this idea of a personal deity who listens to prayers and other nonsense—only serves to fuel the fanaticism found in people chasing "spiritual enlightenment." It starts with a sense of "I need," and as time crawls by, it hardens into "I must." Instead of simply realizing that a human being is nothing more than a collection of biochemical processes woven into one unique phenomenon rather than a distinct individual, they chase shadows. This kind of naturalism isn't devoid of profound insight; rather, it avoids making unnecessary assumptions and focuses strictly on what can actually be known.

Regardless of how unique an organism or process might be within the vast, sweeping flow of the Steak, that organism (which insists on calling itself "I") is merely a single drop in that current. This humble realization of the sheer scale and timelessness of the ultra-complex processes that constitute the Steak effectively dismantles all those other concepts used as excuses to push one's ego against other "processes" (the egos of other individuals).

It is quite fascinating how many spiritual, mystical, and esoteric traditions claim to affirm a universal non-duality, yet they constantly stumble into logical traps that utterly destroy that very idea of union. Much of these concepts are incredibly static; they refuse to allow any chaos into their formulas. Consequently, these spiritualities end up being inherently anti-dynamic. They will always steer an individual away from the raw dynamics of life right here and now, instead stuffing them with illusory ambitions of "transcending" the self and "manifest" reality. It goes against human biology, physiology, and psychology... There is no center, no object, no source, no beginning, and no end...
Peter Phillips32 Peter Phillips32 Active Member
154 messages
joined May 2009
#8 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:Jeff Foster is just some guy from down the street. Enlightened. Why couldn't we be?
2012 is the year for enlightenment (just like any other 😉 ).

image

The game:
http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/re...magine-a-game/

🙂

“In the beginning,
trees were trees,
mountains were mountains,
and rivers were rivers.

Then came the time when trees were no longer trees, mountains were no longer mountains, and rivers were no longer rivers.

Now, trees are trees again,
mountains are mountains again,
and rivers are rivers again.”

- Zen proverb

Just another one who can't contribute anything useful to society through a real job, instead just parasitizing off everyone else. A semi-professional—and I say that loosely, because my standards are pretty damn high, okay?—public performer and writer.
Enlightened.

Oh, enlightenment. One of those buzzwords that makes your spirit feel like it's having an orgasm... Man, what a pathetic existence you have on the day you supposedly reach enlightenment.
Why couldn't we be?

Because it's through diluted garbage that these negligibly unknown appropriate changes actually happen.
Anthony Perez9 said:You mentioned a few heavy hitters. 👍

It’s high time we strip the halo off these "spiritual quests" and call them what they really are—just broken, dysfunctional mental loops. Thinking God is going to swoop in and fix us because we're too weak to handle it ourselves is just another way of turning our backs on Simple Awareness. 🙂

I mean, it won't be long before seeing a psychiatrist or a therapist becomes the default response to religiousness (which is basically just an umbrella term for all those psychosomatic ailments tied to joining some kind of religious cult or whatever).
Daniel Castillo11 Daniel Castillo11 Active Member
73 messages
joined Oct 2010
#9 ·
Here is something else I came across; I have a feeling Anthony Perez9 might actually find this quite interesting. 🙂

The naturalist spirituality shared by the great astrophysicist Tyson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rr-jyg0MyI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMED5...eature=related

And then people have the nerve to tell me that atheists aren't capable of being spiritual. 🙂
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
116 messages
joined Oct 2008
#10 ·
@ Daniel Castillo11 My deepest respects... seriously impressive recent posts.

As for enlightened Jeff and all his sermons, websites, podcasts, and whatnot—it actually reminded me of this joke:

God and the devil are looking down from above at a man who just reached enlightenment:
- He's saved, says God. He's finally enlightened; he knows exactly who he is.
There's nothing you can do to him now...
- Hehe, on the contrary, now the real work begins, says the devil. Now I get to help him
get organized, build a following, and preach everything he's discovered.
Zachary Gonzalez8 Zachary Gonzalez8 Member
47 messages
joined Feb 2009
#11 ·
looks like the kid is some kind of Eckhart follower 🤷
wearyhawk83 wearyhawk83 Active Member
170 messages
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#12 ·
Daniel Castillo11 said:But honestly, what Jeff is teaching essentially dismantles every religion and all forms of spirituality out there—even those more agnostic paths like Advaita Vedanta, let alone Christianity, which tends to crumble the moment you start applying any real critical scrutiny to it.

There is simply no requirement for external saviors, fairies, spirits, gods, or even the devil...

The individual life is actually just Life being viewed through the eyes of an illusory self. Jeff, much like certain naturalistic philosophers and pantheists, maintains that Life—that ultimate Steak/Absolute—is ever-present, right here and now. There is no need to go searching because we are already "home." All spiritualities and religions are built upon duality and the supernatural, acting as if some otherworldly realm is our true home or essence. But if everything truly Is, then searching becomes redundant. Simply abandoning the search is what constitutes "enlightenment" (if we absolutely must use such confusing terminology). I believe the late Jiddu Krishnamurti would have found common ground with that sentiment.

If I may draw a parallel to the philosophy of immanence and Gilles Deleuze, Life—or what he refers to as the "chaosmos" (a blend of chaos and cosmos)—is an infinite sequence of processes, dynamically scattered yet fundamentally interconnected. In this view, the illusion of separation between subject and object dissolves. In reality, Life is a flow in which it is impossible to capture its essence and then proceed to talk about it. That is precisely why theology and sacred texts ultimately fail. The very notion of searching for something that is already present is quite damaging; it is a waste of precious time and only serves to fuel anxiety—the "I must achieve this or that" mentality—and existential crises.

Thomas Metzinger, a modern philosopher working in tandem with neuroscience, has arrived at a new metaphysical model suggesting that every form of individuality is illusory, including the little "ego," the grand "Self," and every variety of identity we cling to. These types of attachments are merely products of cultural, genetic, biological, and psychological conditioning. For Metzinger, the "self" is always a phenomenon and never a noumenon (or a distinct essence/object). Subject and object are just standard polarities within the human brain. However, Life/Steak/Existence exists as a self-sufficient entity, without any need for external objects to somehow cause that Steak. This effectively dismantles creationist arguments and implies a radical rejection of anything "transcendental," because the mere idea of something distant and artificially severed from the Steak itself is inherently problematic.

@Anthony Perez9

Man...

👍 Cheers to atheistic spirituality! 🙂

I’ve noticed that most people dabbling in what we call "spirituality" actually advocate for this kind of approach.

Anthony Perez9 said:You mentioned a few heavy hitters. 👍

It’s high time we strip the halo off these "spiritual quests" and call them what they really are—just broken, dysfunctional mental loops. Thinking God is going to swoop in and fix us because we're too weak to handle it ourselves is just another way of turning our backs on Simple Awareness. 🙂

Why do you all think "spiritual quests" are sick mental dysfunctions?
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#13 ·
Daniel Castillo11 said:But honestly, what Jeff is teaching essentially dismantles every religion and all forms of spirituality out there—even those more agnostic paths like Advaita Vedanta, let alone Christianity, which tends to crumble the moment you start applying any real critical scrutiny to it.

There is simply no requirement for external saviors, fairies, spirits, gods, or even the devil...

The individual life is actually just Life being viewed through the eyes of an illusory self. Jeff, much like certain naturalistic philosophers and pantheists, maintains that Life—that ultimate Steak/Absolute—is ever-present, right here and now. There is no need to go searching because we are already "home." All spiritualities and religions are built upon duality and the supernatural, acting as if some otherworldly realm is our true home or essence. But if everything truly Is, then searching becomes redundant. Simply abandoning the search is what constitutes "enlightenment" (if we absolutely must use such confusing terminology). I believe the late Jiddu Krishnamurti would have found common ground with that sentiment.

If I may draw a parallel to the philosophy of immanence and Gilles Deleuze, Life—or what he refers to as the "chaosmos" (a blend of chaos and cosmos)—is an infinite sequence of processes, dynamically scattered yet fundamentally interconnected. In this view, the illusion of separation between subject and object dissolves. In reality, Life is a flow in which it is impossible to capture its essence and then proceed to talk about it. That is precisely why theology and sacred texts ultimately fail. The very notion of searching for something that is already present is quite damaging; it is a waste of precious time and only serves to fuel anxiety—the "I must achieve this or that" mentality—and existential crises.

Thomas Metzinger, a modern philosopher working in tandem with neuroscience, has arrived at a new metaphysical model suggesting that every form of individuality is illusory, including the little "ego," the grand "Self," and every variety of identity we cling to. These types of attachments are merely products of cultural, genetic, biological, and psychological conditioning. For Metzinger, the "self" is always a phenomenon and never a noumenon (or a distinct essence/object). Subject and object are just standard polarities within the human brain. However, Life/Steak/Existence exists as a self-sufficient entity, without any need for external objects to somehow cause that Steak. This effectively dismantles creationist arguments and implies a radical rejection of anything "transcendental," because the mere idea of something distant and artificially severed from the Steak itself is inherently problematic.

@Anthony Perez9

Man...

👍 Cheers to atheistic spirituality! 🙂

I mean, just because everything already Is, it doesn't necessarily follow that this specific manifestation of Life—you know, us—doesn't have its own concrete goal or purpose, something that isn't just fulfilled by the mere fact of existing.

Daniel Castillo11 said:But honestly, what Jeff is teaching essentially dismantles every religion and all forms of spirituality out there—even those more agnostic paths like Advaita Vedanta, let alone Christianity, which tends to crumble the moment you start applying any real critical scrutiny to it.

There is simply no requirement for external saviors, fairies, spirits, gods, or even the devil...

The individual life is actually just Life being viewed through the eyes of an illusory self. Jeff, much like certain naturalistic philosophers and pantheists, maintains that Life—that ultimate Steak/Absolute—is ever-present, right here and now. There is no need to go searching because we are already "home." All spiritualities and religions are built upon duality and the supernatural, acting as if some otherworldly realm is our true home or essence. But if everything truly Is, then searching becomes redundant. Simply abandoning the search is what constitutes "enlightenment" (if we absolutely must use such confusing terminology). I believe the late Jiddu Krishnamurti would have found common ground with that sentiment.

If I may draw a parallel to the philosophy of immanence and Gilles Deleuze, Life—or what he refers to as the "chaosmos" (a blend of chaos and cosmos)—is an infinite sequence of processes, dynamically scattered yet fundamentally interconnected. In this view, the illusion of separation between subject and object dissolves. In reality, Life is a flow in which it is impossible to capture its essence and then proceed to talk about it. That is precisely why theology and sacred texts ultimately fail. The very notion of searching for something that is already present is quite damaging; it is a waste of precious time and only serves to fuel anxiety—the "I must achieve this or that" mentality—and existential crises.

Thomas Metzinger, a modern philosopher working in tandem with neuroscience, has arrived at a new metaphysical model suggesting that every form of individuality is illusory, including the little "ego," the grand "Self," and every variety of identity we cling to. These types of attachments are merely products of cultural, genetic, biological, and psychological conditioning. For Metzinger, the "self" is always a phenomenon and never a noumenon (or a distinct essence/object). Subject and object are just standard polarities within the human brain. However, Life/Steak/Existence exists as a self-sufficient entity, without any need for external objects to somehow cause that Steak. This effectively dismantles creationist arguments and implies a radical rejection of anything "transcendental," because the mere idea of something distant and artificially severed from the Steak itself is inherently problematic.

@Anthony Perez9

Man...

👍 Cheers to atheistic spirituality! 🙂

So, maybe the goal isn't to hunt down some essence; perhaps it's more about celebrating that essence—trying to manifest its purest form—which, I guess, requires a higher level of awareness.
Daniel Castillo11 Daniel Castillo11 Active Member
73 messages
joined Oct 2010
#14 ·
Paul Jones7 said:I mean, just because everything already Is, it doesn't necessarily follow that this specific manifestation of Life—you know, us—doesn't have its own concrete goal or purpose, something that isn't just fulfilled by the mere fact of existing.

So, maybe the goal isn't to hunt down some essence; perhaps it's more about celebrating that essence—trying to manifest its purest form—which, I guess, requires a higher level of awareness.

The whole concept of "purpose" is actually quite anxiety-inducing; it tends to fuel that restless drive in people who are constantly searching or running away from themselves, creating this heavy pressure that prevents them from just soaking in the moment or enjoying life as it unfolds. There isn't some ultimate, pre-ordained purpose waiting at the finish line; rather, an individual has to carve out their own meaning as they navigate through life. At the end of the day, the mystery of existence remains just that—a mystery—no matter how many mountains of philosophical speculation or deep thinking we pile up.

in that case, the goal isn't to hunt down an essence; perhaps the true aim is to celebrate that essence, to manifest its purest form, which would necessitate reaching a much higher state of awareness.

For most spiritual seekers, finding that "essence" is the ultimate prize, though they usually view it as something supernatural. Personally, I've always had a hard time with that idea of the "supernatural." If an essence truly exists, it shouldn't be some separate object hovering above creation; it has to be an intrinsic part of creation itself, given the premise that everything belongs to the same unified system—the Absolute, or Being. If something is outside of nature, then by definition, it doesn't exist within nature.

That’s why I find that regardless of which spiritual tradition or religion you look at, there is always this inherent, subtle duality creeping in. It seems clear to me that such ideas breed anxiety, which then triggers even more dualistic pairings and those somewhat pious explanations designed to transcend the very duality they created through linear reasoning. It reminds me of a dog chasing its own tail in endless circles. 🙂

I tend to believe that humans are inherently limited; we can't be aware of everything simultaneously, nor can we magically grasp the fundamental mechanics of the cosmos through experimentation. We are confined to what our intellect and sensory perceptions allow, which means we are ultimately left with our own subjective experience of reality. So, what is left once you strip everything else away? If there aren't higher planes of existence, magic, or mystical energies, then all we really have is this immediate experience, right here and now. There is a certain beauty in being conscious of the moment and recognizing that we are simply a part of the natural process—one that is always at one with nature, regardless of the identities we construct for ourselves. From that realization, a greater sense of moral responsibility emerges in how we live actively, knowing that everything is fundamentally interconnected. To me, that feels like a healthy balance.

And that, in my view, is what true higher consciousness looks like. It moves beyond concepts of the "supernatural" or the conventional moralizing that tells us we must achieve something specific or else we are failures or slaves to fate. Everything is already present; we should simply work with what we have been given through nature, evolution, and the unfolding of the cosmos. Humans might be "slaves" to various things, but it is far better to accept that reality than to delude oneself into thinking one is something more than the illusory identity shaped by brain chemistry.🙂
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
116 messages
joined Oct 2008
#15 ·
Daniel Castillo11 said:The whole concept of "purpose" is actually quite anxiety-inducing; it tends to fuel that restless drive in people who are constantly searching or running away from themselves, creating this heavy pressure that prevents them from just soaking in the moment or enjoying life as it unfolds. There isn't some ultimate, pre-ordained purpose waiting at the finish line; rather, an individual has to carve out their own meaning as they navigate through life. At the end of the day, the mystery of existence remains just that—a mystery—no matter how many mountains of philosophical speculation or deep thinking we pile up.

in that case, the goal isn't to hunt down an essence; perhaps the true aim is to celebrate that essence, to manifest its purest form, which would necessitate reaching a much higher state of awareness.

For most spiritual seekers, finding that "essence" is the ultimate prize, though they usually view it as something supernatural. Personally, I've always had a hard time with that idea of the "supernatural." If an essence truly exists, it shouldn't be some separate object hovering above creation; it has to be an intrinsic part of creation itself, given the premise that everything belongs to the same unified system—the Absolute, or Being. If something is outside of nature, then by definition, it doesn't exist within nature.

That’s why I find that regardless of which spiritual tradition or religion you look at, there is always this inherent, subtle duality creeping in. It seems clear to me that such ideas breed anxiety, which then triggers even more dualistic pairings and those somewhat pious explanations designed to transcend the very duality they created through linear reasoning. It reminds me of a dog chasing its own tail in endless circles. 🙂

I tend to believe that humans are inherently limited; we can't be aware of everything simultaneously, nor can we magically grasp the fundamental mechanics of the cosmos through experimentation. We are confined to what our intellect and sensory perceptions allow, which means we are ultimately left with our own subjective experience of reality. So, what is left once you strip everything else away? If there aren't higher planes of existence, magic, or mystical energies, then all we really have is this immediate experience, right here and now. There is a certain beauty in being conscious of the moment and recognizing that we are simply a part of the natural process—one that is always at one with nature, regardless of the identities we construct for ourselves. From that realization, a greater sense of moral responsibility emerges in how we live actively, knowing that everything is fundamentally interconnected. To me, that feels like a healthy balance.

And that, in my view, is what true higher consciousness looks like. It moves beyond concepts of the "supernatural" or the conventional moralizing that tells us we must achieve something specific or else we are failures or slaves to fate. Everything is already present; we should simply work with what we have been given through nature, evolution, and the unfolding of the cosmos. Humans might be "slaves" to various things, but it is far better to accept that reality than to delude oneself into thinking one is something more than the illusory identity shaped by brain chemistry.🙂

👍 spot on

Quinn:
And to me, that is higher consciousness. Moving past concepts of the supernatural or conventional moralizing about what should be achieved, or whether a person is trapped or a slave. Everything is already here; we just need to work with what we've been given by nature, evolution, and cosmic development. People act like slaves in one way or another. They're better off accepting that than thinking they are anything more than an illusory identity driven by brain chemistry🙂.
That isn't higher consciousness. That's just standard human consciousness. Consciousness is that part of us that is... well, the so-called otherworldly, non-dual, divine... It is the part within us that is indivisible, non-dual, one, unknowable, mysterious, yet simultaneously so intimate—closer to us than our own breath
.
A total awakening of consciousness is the goal for anyone searching. But the search itself creates restlessness, exactly the way you described
.
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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joined Mar 2015
#16 ·
Sandra Morgan2 said:👍 spot on

Quinn:
And to me, that is higher consciousness. Moving past concepts of the supernatural or conventional moralizing about what should be achieved, or whether a person is trapped or a slave. Everything is already here; we just need to work with what we've been given by nature, evolution, and cosmic development. People act like slaves in one way or another. They're better off accepting that than thinking they are anything more than an illusory identity driven by brain chemistry🙂.
That isn't higher consciousness. That's just standard human consciousness. Consciousness is that part of us that is... well, the so-called otherworldly, non-dual, divine... It is the part within us that is indivisible, non-dual, one, unknowable, mysterious, yet simultaneously so intimate—closer to us than our own breath
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A total awakening of consciousness is the goal for anyone searching. But the search itself creates restlessness, exactly the way you described
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I don't think the searching is what causes the restlessness, really... I think it's the expectations—you know, that pressure to actually achieve something—that does it. If you just let go of those expectations, the restlessness kind of disappears.
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
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Paul Jones7 said:I don't think the searching is what causes the restlessness, really... I think it's the expectations—you know, that pressure to actually achieve something—that does it. If you just let go of those expectations, the restlessness kind of disappears.

You can't really search without expecting to find what you're looking for... If the search lacks a goal, then—and only then—is it just frantic wandering. There’s no such thing as a "fair wind" for someone who doesn't know where they're headed. And there's no fair wind for the person who *thinks* they know their course when they're actually chasing spiritual goals. Navigation becomes pointless... because there is nowhere to go when there is no destination to reach. Every search happens in the darkness between our two ears, and everything we do with the mind just ends up agitating the mind. Beyond the mind—once it's as still and clear as a mountain lake—lies pure consciousness.
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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Sandra Morgan2 said:You can't really search without expecting to find what you're looking for... If the search lacks a goal, then—and only then—is it just frantic wandering. There’s no such thing as a "fair wind" for someone who doesn't know where they're headed. And there's no fair wind for the person who *thinks* they know their course when they're actually chasing spiritual goals. Navigation becomes pointless... because there is nowhere to go when there is no destination to reach. Every search happens in the darkness between our two ears, and everything we do with the mind just ends up agitating the mind. Beyond the mind—once it's as still and clear as a mountain lake—lies pure consciousness.

But I feel like every little realization is a tiny version of finding something, and honestly, that’s enough to make the whole process feel meaningful. I mean, when you finally grasp something, should someone really have the nerve to tell you that you haven't "found" anything? 🙂

For me, those little flashes of insight—those moments where things just click—are one of the few things that actually make life worth living.

Plus, for someone who isn't obsessed with reaching a specific finish line, the journey itself becomes the whole point, which I suppose means you're already fulfilled just by moving through it.
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
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Paul Jones7 said:But I feel like every little realization is a tiny version of finding something, and honestly, that’s enough to make the whole process feel meaningful. I mean, when you finally grasp something, should someone really have the nerve to tell you that you haven't "found" anything? 🙂

For me, those little flashes of insight—those moments where things just click—are one of the few things that actually make life worth living.

Plus, for someone who isn't obsessed with reaching a specific finish line, the journey itself becomes the whole point, which I suppose means you're already fulfilled just by moving through it.

Realizing and understanding—that's just brain function. It all hinges on awareness. If your awareness is asleep, your understanding stays limited. That's why Sandra Morgan2 says—go Beyond Mind. Because Beyond Mind is pure consciousness.

Besides, for someone who isn't obsessed with the end goal, the journey itself becomes the destination. They find fulfillment just by moving through it.

🙂Sure, that works... but then it isn't a search anymore. It's just a vacation. A summer trip....
Peter Phillips32 Peter Phillips32 Active Member
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wearyhawk83 said:I’ve noticed that most people dabbling in what we call "spirituality" actually advocate for this kind of approach.

Why do you all think "spiritual quests" are sick mental dysfunctions?

I mean, why bother breaking a sweat or bleeding out to actually achieve something when you can just pay someone else to handle the heavy lifting of manifestation for you? It’s all about outsourcing the effort, right?
Paul Jones7 said:I don't think the searching is what causes the restlessness, really... I think it's the expectations—you know, that pressure to actually achieve something—that does it. If you just let go of those expectations, the restlessness kind of disappears.

Meh, I'm tossing this advice straight into the trash because it makes zero sense, especially since you aren't even following your own damn rules. ☕

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