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Participants Bradley Nelson2Charles Sanders49Donna Nelson23stormyviper11loneangler6urbanmoose3Kenneth White17Michael Perez28Amanda KellyCharles Gray6James Roberts87driftingorca24steelviper43
Bradley Nelson2 Bradley Nelson2 Active MemberOP
175 messages
joined Nov 2009
#1 ·
Why is racing on track so incredibly dull lately? We’re seeing almost zero overtaking, no wheel-to-wheel battles, no daring defensive moves—just a procession. Honestly, is this even worth watching anymore? I feel like I might be better off just reading the news, and even then, the headlines feel exaggerated because nothing actually happens on Sunday. What’s the root cause here, and how do we fix it? Have the drivers become too soft? Or is it just that the cars are engineered to be impossible to race? And why are we even running races at tracks where the commentators constantly claim there's zero passing potential? It feels like every circuit is described the same way now. Ever since they started talking about how you can't pass at Indianapolis, it's been the same story for every single venue. To me, it feels like this issue is unique to Formula 1; nobody else seems to struggle this much with passing. How do we change the dynamic? Strategy is always a factor, sure, but it shouldn't be the only thing keeping the sport alive.
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Charles Sanders49 Charles Sanders49 Newcomer
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joined May 2006
#2 ·
Honestly, I’ve never actually sat down and asked myself why I’m so obsessed with Formula 1...
But when you really think about it—which is something I find myself constantly explaining to my friends who just can't get the hype—every single corner brings this fresh wave of excitement, every chicane delivers its own little adrenaline hit, and those race starts are just so incredibly intense and emotionally charged that nothing else in the sporting world can quite compare! 🙂
Even though plenty of races end up being pretty quiet without much overtaking or big drama, I honestly get enough satisfaction just watching them drive, feeling like I'm leaning 🙂 right into the turns along with them, and then inevitably screaming my head off whenever my favorite drivers fall behind... 🙂 That's just who I am, I guess.
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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joined Dec 2004
#3 ·
They’re all just messing around with pit stops—why bother when you could just use solid strategy to grab a spot without risking everything on track? Back in the day, they’d fuel up for the whole race right at the start and just go... The only way to actually make a move was through pure overtaking, especially since we didn't have things like traction control or other electronic aids helping them out.
stormyviper11 stormyviper11 Active Member
81 messages
joined Nov 2007
#4 ·
Bradley Nelson2 said:why is today’s racing on the track itself just so incredibly dull??? why aren't we seeing any real overtaking, wheel-to-wheel battles, defensive driving, or just general action on the circuit?

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Bradley Nelson2 Bradley Nelson2 Active MemberOP
175 messages
joined Nov 2009
#5 ·
I think they should keep the DRS. Strategy is still a huge part of the game. But honestly? It feels like driving these cars today is way easier than it used to be. Instead of pushing harder, drivers have just become soft. I don't blame the cars or the rules. It’s the drivers themselves. They're just lazy.
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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joined Dec 2004
#6 ·
That’s exactly why "strategy is king"—there’s just no room for overtaking. Why would he bother risking an aggressive pass on track when he can simply undercut them through the pits? Besides, they switched up the tire compounds specifically to boost performance and safety, ensuring those pit window timings stay...
stormyviper11 stormyviper11 Active Member
81 messages
joined Nov 2007
#7 ·
Bradley Nelson2 said:I think pit stops should stay, I mean strategy is part of the fun! But honestly, it feels like driving these cars is way easier now than it used to be, and instead of pushing harder on track, drivers have just become total softies. I don't think the cars or the rules are to blame at all, it's just the drivers themselves being absolute losers...


That’s a completely wrong take.

Look, let's be real here—filtering talent through the junior categories has never been this intense. If anything, the average quality of drivers in Formula 1 today is probably higher than it ever was. These guys had to fight tooth and nail to prove themselves in those lower tiers where everyone is neck-and-neck; you'd know that if you actually watched karting or the smaller feeder series. Every driver on the grid today knows how to overtake and play aggressive, they just aren't allowed to—or they don't want to—because the sport is insanely expensive now. It's run by massive corporations that hate "unnecessary risk." And strategy? Strategy has always been deep. You had tire calls, different setups, and guys who were masters at either the sprint phase like Ayrton Senna or the long game like Alain Prost... There are endless tactical layers beyond just refueling.

The real tragedy is seeing two of the best from this new era, Fernando Alonso and Kimi Räikkönen, show exactly how brilliant and aggressive they are every single time they have to carve through the field after a bad start... We’re basically robbing them of their own talent because of stupid rules and over-engineered strategies. Don't get me wrong, I have huge respect for how Michael Schumacher could just hammer out a few blistering laps on an empty tank and slice through the pits, but watching that isn't even what makes it interesting anymore. Honestly, if you'll excuse my language, I'm pretty much sick of watching people just drive through the pits. Sure, without refueling, we might have seen some boring races back in the day—like in the eighties, for example—but we would definitely have way more excitement right now. This is the 57th season of the World Series, and refueling has only been a thing for the last 13 years. We can't act like that's some permanent, essential part of the sport's DNA, even if most modern Formula 1 fans can't even remember what racing looked like before the "strategy" era took over.🙂 🤮
loneangler6 loneangler6 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2006
#8 ·
It all comes down to aerodynamics and that dirty air effect—you know, when you're trailing right behind another car. All that aero work becomes useless because the cars lose speed, grip, and everything else that makes them stick to the track...

That’s probably why overtaking mostly happens on the straights; once they're past that initial pocket, they can run parallel and get that clean airflow back over the whole car again...

Even the drivers have admitted that in certain races, they just can't close the gap to the car ahead. If they try, they lose grip and could easily spin out on the track...

You end up in a situation where there isn't a proper flow of air, similar to what happens in a wind tunnel, so the rear wing doesn't produce enough downforce. The back end loses traction, and there's a real risk of spinning...

And with the front end, you start dealing with understeer...

I guess that's why in Monaco they can drive so closely together; people say there's much less aerodynamic load there...

So, I'm blaming the lack of overtaking on the aerodynamics. It seems like the car
relies way too heavily on it...

If you recall, I think Renault mentioned a couple of years ago that
they had a weaker engine but were making up for it with incredible aerodynamics, whereas
Williams had a powerhouse engine but terrible aero, and they still struggled...
I wonder why teams fight so hard over aerodynamicists then?

Traction control definitely plays a part here, too...
When you watch a race, if you look at the RPM indicator on the left side of the screen, you'll see the TC light flash orange next to the speed. You can really see how much of an impact Traction control has when they're exiting corners...
If that was turned off, we'd see way more driver errors and subsequently more overtakes...
That's why there are so few mistakes being made lately.
Whenever someone does slide or understeer, everyone just blames the aerodynamics
(like a gust of wind, sand on the track, or a green track)...

But there have been comments suggesting that since drivers can actually adjust the level of Traction control,
they know how to dial it back and drive on their own responsibility...

If we didn't have Traction control, we'd be seeing plenty of overtakes coming out of the corners. 🙂

Anyway, that's just my two cents. 😁
Bradley Nelson2 Bradley Nelson2 Active MemberOP
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joined Nov 2009
#9 ·
Maybe I’m off base here, but that’s just how it looks to me. These drivers should be relishing the fight. They made it to Formula 1—they should be out there hunting each other down just for the hell of it. I don't doubt their talent for a second, they just aren't showing any teeth most of the time.
And don't even get me started on the aerodynamics. I get it, it’s the modern era and we're stuck with it, but it drives me absolutely insane.
I remember hearing Enzo say something along the lines of: "Aerodynamics is what you rely on when you can't build a powerful enough engine." Something like that.
urbanmoose3 urbanmoose3 Active Member
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joined Sep 2005
#10 ·
Who on earth is claiming that Formula 1 isn't gripping right now? 😬

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eydw9hFHamY
Kenneth White17 Kenneth White17 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Apr 2006
#11 ·
Traction control completely ruined the game..............
Now Formula 1 is just floor it, slam the brakes, repeat.........

Back in the day, you actually had to calculate your throttle input and brake pressure just to avoid spinning out.......................

Nowadays, they just aim for the apex with the steering wheel and call it a day.............

I'm saying this based on actual experience.......................................... ...... at the local track back in Jersey............
urbanmoose3 urbanmoose3 Active Member
58 messages
joined Sep 2005
#12 ·
Kenneth White17 said:Traction control has completely ruined the sport..............
Now, Formula 1 is just full throttle followed by slamming on the brakes.........

Back in the day, you actually had to calculate exactly how much throttle to apply or how hard to hit the brakes without spinning out.......................

Nowadays, they just have to aim the steering wheel at the track line and hope for the best.............

I’m speaking from direct experience here.......................................... ...... I was there during the third lap............

Forget that kind of "experience" .. 😉

They aren't just slamming the brakes to the floor.. They don't have ABS.. they still have to modulate the pressure.. 😉
Bradley Nelson2 Bradley Nelson2 Active MemberOP
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joined Nov 2009
#13 ·
Kenneth White17, you hit the nail on the head. That’s exactly where we lost the plot. There’s just too little left for the driver to actually control. With all this electronics, driving a car feels more like playing a video game than anything else.
Michael Perez28 Michael Perez28 Newcomer
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joined May 2008
#14 ·
Traction control is a total game changer—it basically lets everyone nail their exit out of every corner perfectly. If you ask me, we need to scrap TC, launch control, and those semi-automatic gearboxes (or whatever tech they're using now). The tracks are part of the problem too; places like Indianapolis or even Indy are pretty outdated, though Monaco is fine. Also, qualifying with fuel? I hate it. It puts the car with the most fuel on pole instead of the actual fastest car, which ruins the grid. We need the fastest empty cars at the front so we actually get some real racing. Usually, when we hit Spa-Francorchamps, the racing is killer.

Bottom line: kill all the driver aids and stop using these ancient, subpar tracks.
stormyviper11 stormyviper11 Active Member
81 messages
joined Nov 2007
#15 ·
Look, all those factors play a part, but refueling? That’s the real game-changer. If you took that away, teams would actually HAVE TO earn their positions on track by passing people instead of just playing tactical games with pit stops. Plus, car designs and all those technical specs would basically be forced to evolve to allow for more wheel-to-wheel action, because every team would be fighting for every inch... It's funny how a lot of old-school fans claim Formula 1 started going downhill right after Ayrton Senna passed, but they're missing the forest for the trees. You have to realize that refueling was introduced right around that same time, which is a much bigger reason why the racing changed the way it did.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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joined Mar 2008
#16 ·
Don't forget how much the cars are being leveled out lately. Well, within certain groups at least.

If that were the only issue, we'd be fine. But when you factor in those tricky tracks where passing is basically impossible, we’ve got a massive problem on our hands.
Michael Perez28 Michael Perez28 Newcomer
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joined May 2008
#17 ·
I’m with you on the fuel topping off thing. Honestly, it would be great if they just banned it entirely—I definitely wouldn't be complaining.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
360 messages
joined Mar 2008
#18 ·
You’ve got a point about the refueling part.
But don't forget they’re also swapping out tires, which actually goes a long way toward keeping things safe on the road.
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
91 messages
joined Dec 2004
#19 ·
Look, we've always swapped out tires just to get better performance anyway...
Bradley Nelson2 Bradley Nelson2 Active MemberOP
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joined Nov 2009
#20 ·
Why don't we just go back to making tires that actually last an entire race, like they did last season? Or maybe just bigger fuel tanks? Honestly, I don't see that being much of an issue. The only downside is we'd lose that whole strategic element of NASCAR, and that’s a problem. Personally, I think we need to seriously dial back the electronic driver aids and, if we can pull it off, bring back slicks!

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