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Participants redheron12Betty MurphyElizabeth Hughesmistybear87Carol Ortiz4
redheron12 redheron12 RegularOP
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#1 ·
July 9, 2003 5:00 PM

RON DENNIS ON THE MOBIL 1 UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX
“The Mobil 1 United States Grand Prix was a total mess—honestly, it was incredibly hard for the marshals to keep track of who was on which lap. Because of that, the blue flag signaling wasn't nearly as organized as it should have been, and during that final round of pit stops, we ended up bleeding a massive amount of time—about four and a half seconds, to be exact.

“It was a chaotic scene—we had two Saubers battling it out while being a lap down, alongside an struggling Alonso and Trulli. In this sport, things either click or they don't. We actually had the fuel advantage to stay ahead of Michael (Schumacher), but hitting that heavy traffic forced our hand and we had to pit early. Then the two Renaults that we effectively stopped early for had engine blow outs, and Michael had a reasonably clear run.

“To make matters worse, right after those initial setbacks, we dealt with a fueling rig malfunction on David’s car—we had to switch over to the backup system. The refueller hadn't fully cleared the nozzle before the chief mechanic released the car. Thankfully, nobody was injured—David reacted instantly to pull away safely—but it definitely cost us time. Then, with just three laps left, a rear disc exploded on Kimi’s car, leaving him to finish the race without any rear brakes at all.

“On Kimi's car, we actually used the engine to help assist the braking, and we were all a bit baffled because he was still pulling 1:18 laps. The telemetry showed he had zero rear brakes, and Kimi confirmed it, yet his lap times told a completely different story—it was a truly remarkable performance. So at the end of the day I see the race as a damage limitation exercise. We gave up a single point to Michael, and Kimi still lies second in the Drivers' World Championship.”
redheron12 redheron12 RegularOP
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#2 ·
Niko hasn't posted all day—I guess they're worried about getting the F1 forum shut down:

Here is Ron Dennis's take on the United States Grand Prix. If what he’s saying holds water, then Kimi really is a phenomenal driver—but given how things have been going lately at McLaren, I have my doubts. It feels more likely that the telemetry is off or they're working with flawed data.

I don't know why God punished me with this lifelong devotion to McLaren; I feel like Sisyphus.🙂
Betty Murphy Betty Murphy Active Member
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#3 ·
According to the official post-race report, Kimi actually ran out of brakes during those final laps at the United States Grand Prix. Check out what’s happening over at McLaren.!
Elizabeth Hughes Elizabeth Hughes Active Member
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#4 ·
Anđeo said:According to the official report following the race at the United States Grand Prix, Kimi really did lose his brakes during those final laps. www.mclaren.com!

Ah... words, words, words... 🙄
It’s honestly like when people try to pin our failures over the last two races entirely on Bridgestone... 😛
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#5 ·
redheron12 said:Niko hasn't posted all day, and if this keeps up, they might just shut down the F1 forum entirely:

Here is Ron Dennis's take on the Mobil 1 United States Grand Prix. If what he’s saying holds water, then Kimi really is a top-tier driver. However, given how things have been going at McLaren lately, I have my doubts about that being the issue; it’s more likely that the telemetry failed them or something similar, leaving them with nothing but bad data.

Why did Bog punish me with a lifelong devotion to McLaren? I feel like Sisyphus.🙂

I mean, if they didn't notice the rear brake assembly had completely disintegrated after tearing the car down (as they claim), then I'm genuinely concerned that a crew with mechanics that incompetent is sitting third in F1... 🙂
redheron12 redheron12 RegularOP
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#6 ·
Says a fan from the team responsible for Senna 👎
redheron12 redheron12 RegularOP
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#7 ·
redheron12 said:That's coming from a fan of the very team responsible for what happened to Senna...👎


Look, I don't actually mean it that way—I'm just in a bit of a mood today, so excuse me if I'm being difficult!
Elizabeth Hughes Elizabeth Hughes Active Member
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#8 ·
They’re being incredibly cautious about car and driver safety specifically because of what happened with Senna... they really can't afford another tragedy like that one on their hands.
Carol Ortiz4 Carol Ortiz4 Active Member
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#9 ·
Austin Evans says Montezemolo:
They take driver and car safety incredibly seriously because of what happened with Senna... they really can't afford another tragedy like that one.

Well, you could certainly argue that based on how many times Montoya nearly ran over his own pit crew...

PS. It brings back memories of Schumacher.
Elizabeth Hughes Elizabeth Hughes Active Member
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#10 ·
Gerald Turner48 said:I mean, you can tell a lot by how many times Montoya has nearly run over his own pit crew...

What are you even talking about? If we're going to get pedantic about running over mechanics, Schumacher was the first one in recent memory to go tearing through the pit lane like that...
Try looking at the bigger picture for once...
Carol Ortiz4 Carol Ortiz4 Active Member
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#11 ·
Austin Evans says Montezemolo:
What are you even talking about? If we're discussing running over mechanics, Schumacher was actually the first one in recent memory to drive over crew members in the pits...
Try to look at the bigger picture here...

Well, please, do try to read the entire post... after all, he only did it once...

It really doesn't matter....
Elizabeth Hughes Elizabeth Hughes Active Member
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#12 ·
Gerald Turner48 said:Come on, man... read the whole post first... he only actually pulled that off once...

Sure, once. During a race. But if you want to count how many times he did it during practice sessions... pffft...
Anyway, just how many times did Montoya nearly take out his own pit crew? You don't have to give me an exact decimal point here... but a rough estimate would be nice... if it isn't too much trouble...
Carol Ortiz4 Carol Ortiz4 Active Member
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#13 ·
Austin Evans says Montezemolo:
Once, yeah... during a race... though heaven knows how many times he did it during practice sessions... goodness me...
But honestly, how many times has Montoya stepped on the toes of the mechanics in the pit lane? You don't have to give me an exact decimal figure... but you could at least give me a rough estimate... if it isn't too much trouble...

? And here I was thinking it only happened once? Well, I suppose there are always things I'm unaware of...

By the way, if you didn't catch my drift, I was merely being a little bit "provocative" toward Montoya with that post... there's no need to go on the defensive immediately... 🙄
Elizabeth Hughes Elizabeth Hughes Active Member
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#14 ·
Gerald Turner48 said:Look, if you didn't catch my drift, I was just trying to "poke the bear" with Montoya slightly with that post... there's no need to go on the offensive immediately... 🙄

So, what you're saying is you just make stuff up specifically to get a rise out of the Montoya fans? Figures... 🙄
Arguments are one thing—straight-up fabrications are another...
Elizabeth Hughes Elizabeth Hughes Active Member
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#15 ·
I’m going to have to distance myself from Gerald Turner48 regarding his loyalty to Ferrari and Schumacher... 👎

That's just not how I see things as a Ferrari fan... 🙂
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#16 ·
Austin Evans said:I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with Gerald Turner48 regarding his loyalty to Ferrari and Schumacher... 👎

I just don't view myself as that kind of die-hard Ferrari fan... 🙂

Point taken. 🙂
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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Gerald Turner48 said:Wait, really? I was under the impression that only happened once. I suppose there are always a few things I haven't picked up on yet...

Anyway, if I didn't make myself clear, I was merely "poking the bear" with Montoya in that previous post... no need to go on the defensive quite so quickly... 🙄

Are your other kids not letting you play with them, so you have to come over here and troll instead?
Carol Ortiz4 Carol Ortiz4 Active Member
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#18 ·
mistybear87 said:Are your other kids not letting you play with them, so you have to come here to troll instead?

Honestly, how did you manage to guess that so accurately? 😁

But really, what kind of fabrications are we talking about here?
Elizabeth Hughes Elizabeth Hughes Active Member
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#19 ·
Gerald Turner48 said:What kind of nonsense are you talking about?

Nonsense? Let's look at one example: "you can tell because Montoya has practically run over his own mechanics countless times..."
I remember you saying that yourself... 😛
If that isn't pure fiction, then go ahead and list those "countless times" for me—give me at least three specific instances... 😉

(I know I’m probably just being pedantic here, but I honestly can't help myself right now)😁
Carol Ortiz4 Carol Ortiz4 Active Member
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#20 ·
The FIA under Montezemolo said:What kind of nonsense is that? Take this one, for instance: "you can tell because Montoya has nearly run over his mechanics countless times..."
Do you remember? That was actually your own words... 😛
If it isn't just a fabrication, why don't you list those "countless times" for me (let's say at least three specific instances)... 😉

(I suppose I'm being a bit nitpicky here, though I find myself unable to help it at the moment) 😁

Well, in essence, that’s essentially what I meant... it just sounds much more dramatic when I write "countless"...

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