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Angela Morgan4 Angela Morgan4 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Hello.
I recently had to undergo a psychological evaluation, and the psychologist actually noted a "gender identity issue." Her explanation was that I am essentially adopting masculine roles—roles that society deems the standard for men.
To be perfectly honest, I have always been aware of this because I refuse to subscribe to the idea of womanhood being synonymous with fragility or the need for male protection. I completely reject patriarchal ideals, values, and behavioral constraints. It honestly makes my stomach turn whenever I hear a man obsessively insisting on having a son. I don’t have an issue with men personally—in fact, I would love to have a son myself (along with a daughter)—but I cannot stand these distorted societal values. Consequently, I don't feel the need to conform to the general expectation that a woman must be perpetually wearing heavy makeup, tight clothing, or high heels (obviously, not all the time). Through my behavior, my style, and my core principles, I am rejecting that outdated conservatism.
My concern now is how those three ridiculous words might cause complications when I present this test to my psychiatrist.

So, what happens now? Why must everyone be shoved into these narrow little boxes? I am fully aware that I am female, biologically, and psychologically.🙄
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#2 ·
Angela Morgan4 said:Hello.
I recently had to undergo a psychological evaluation, and the psychologist actually noted a "gender identity issue." Her explanation was that I am essentially adopting masculine roles—roles that society deems the standard for men.
To be perfectly honest, I have always been aware of this because I refuse to subscribe to the idea of womanhood being synonymous with fragility or the need for male protection. I completely reject patriarchal ideals, values, and behavioral constraints. It honestly makes my stomach turn whenever I hear a man obsessively insisting on having a son. I don’t have an issue with men personally—in fact, I would love to have a son myself (along with a daughter)—but I cannot stand these distorted societal values. Consequently, I don't feel the need to conform to the general expectation that a woman must be perpetually wearing heavy makeup, tight clothing, or high heels (obviously, not all the time). Through my behavior, my style, and my core principles, I am rejecting that outdated conservatism.
My concern now is how those three ridiculous words might cause complications when I present this test to my psychiatrist.

So, what happens now? Why must everyone be shoved into these narrow little boxes? I am fully aware that I am female, biologically, and psychologically.🙄

In what way do you think she'd have an issue with the psychiatrist because of that?
Angela Morgan4 Angela Morgan4 MemberOP
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#3 ·
Michelle Evans said:In what way do you think she'd have an issue with the psychiatrist because of that?

The concern is that instead of addressing the core issues—specifically depression and anxiety—the focus will shift toward something entirely irrelevant.
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#4 ·
Angela Morgan4 said:The concern is that instead of addressing the core issues—specifically depression and anxiety—the focus will shift toward something entirely irrelevant.

I see.
If it's truly irrelevant, then why even bother discussing it?

It might be important, or it might not. Depression and anxiety are often just symptoms of something deeper, even if they feel like the main issue. Whether those roots involve struggling with gender identity or something else entirely... it really depends...
Angela Morgan4 Angela Morgan4 MemberOP
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#5 ·
Michelle Evans said:I see.
If it's truly irrelevant, then why even bother discussing it?

It might be important, or it might not. Depression and anxiety are often just symptoms of something deeper, even if they feel like the main issue. Whether those roots involve struggling with gender identity or something else entirely... it really depends...

Is this some sort of Freud scheme? 😁 I am perfectly satisfied with who I am as a woman and I accept myself completely.
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#6 ·
Angela Morgan4 said:Is this some sort of Freud scheme? 😁 I am perfectly satisfied with who I am as a woman and I accept myself completely.

I'm not sure about what "schemes" you mean, but I just think there's always an underlying cause for anxiety and depression... and whether it ties back to that specific issue is anyone's guess.
Angela Morgan4 Angela Morgan4 MemberOP
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Michelle Evans said:I'm not sure about what "schemes" you mean, but I just think there's always an underlying cause for anxiety and depression... and whether it ties back to that specific issue is anyone's guess.

Fine. I assumed you were targeting him because he specifically claimed that women are frustrated because they lack a penis between their legs.😁
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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Angela Morgan4 said:Fine. I assumed you were targeting him because he specifically claimed that women are frustrated because they lack a penis between their legs.😁

True.🤣 I was more thinking that people who haven't fully embraced their identity—or are struggling with it—might act this way due to how they were accepted by their parents. Those childhood dynamics can sometimes manifest as health issues decades later. Just a thought...
I just wanted to say that we shouldn't dismiss everything outright, that was my point.
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
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#9 ·
Honestly, I don't see any issue here at all. If anything, I’m actually right behind what you’re saying—it's refreshing, really. You aren't just folding the moment the crowd starts shouting or trying to blend into the background to please everyone else. Instead, you've got your own perspective, and more importantly, you actually know what you're capable of.
Angela Morgan4 Angela Morgan4 MemberOP
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Nicholas Gonzalez8 said:Honestly, I don't see any issue here at all. If anything, I’m actually right behind what you’re saying—it's refreshing, really. You aren't just folding the moment the crowd starts shouting or trying to blend into the background to please everyone else. Instead, you've got your own perspective, and more importantly, you actually know what you're capable of.

Exactly. Which is precisely why I find it baffling that she felt entitled to slap that label on me so casually. It wasn't as if she explicitly stated, "this person suffers from insomnia."☕
redharbor9 redharbor9 Regular
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#11 ·
What else did she say? Maybe this was taken out of context... can you just type out the rest of the findings?
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
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#12 ·
Yeah... honestly, I still don't get why she felt the need to slap that label on me—just totally casual about it, too. It’s not like she sat me down and said, "Hey, this person struggles with insomnia." She just... did it.

Look, people spend their whole lives trying to pin labels on you. Some are meant to lift you up, others are just straight-up garbage, but hey—that's life. At the end of the day, the choice is yours: you can either own it, or you can just laugh it off and keep moving 🙂
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#13 ·
I mean, what are these "standard" male roles people keep talking about anyway? Beyond being a muse, a father, or basically just the provider and protector for the family? Like, what exactly am I supposed to be supplying, feeding, or clothing for my husband and kids? I honestly don't get it.
dustynomad15 dustynomad15 Newcomer
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#14 ·
Angela Morgan4 said:Hello.
I recently had to undergo a psychological evaluation, and the psychologist actually noted a "gender identity issue." Her explanation was that I am essentially adopting masculine roles—roles that society deems the standard for men.
To be perfectly honest, I have always been aware of this because I refuse to subscribe to the idea of womanhood being synonymous with fragility or the need for male protection. I completely reject patriarchal ideals, values, and behavioral constraints. It honestly makes my stomach turn whenever I hear a man obsessively insisting on having a son. I don’t have an issue with men personally—in fact, I would love to have a son myself (along with a daughter)—but I cannot stand these distorted societal values. Consequently, I don't feel the need to conform to the general expectation that a woman must be perpetually wearing heavy makeup, tight clothing, or high heels (obviously, not all the time). Through my behavior, my style, and my core principles, I am rejecting that outdated conservatism.
My concern now is how those three ridiculous words might cause complications when I present this test to my psychiatrist.

So, what happens now? Why must everyone be shoved into these narrow little boxes? I am fully aware that I am female, biologically, and psychologically.🙄

hold up, are you even realizing that you are the one with the issue here? That's a huge deal, because that's actually the first step toward fixing anything. If you think the problem lies with everyone else and that they're the ones in the wrong, you're never gonna get past it.
Specifically, I want to know: why do you think the way women emphasize femininity—like wearing makeup or getting all dolled up—is some kind of "warped value"? Or why is it supposedly bad for a woman to look to a man for protection?
And one more thing: what's your take on guys wearing makeup and grooming themselves? Is that stupid or totally fine? I'm dying to hear what you think.🙂
Angela Morgan4 Angela Morgan4 MemberOP
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dustynomad15 said:hold up, are you even realizing that you are the one with the issue here? That's a huge deal, because that's actually the first step toward fixing anything. If you think the problem lies with everyone else and that they're the ones in the wrong, you're never gonna get past it.
Specifically, I want to know: why do you think the way women emphasize femininity—like wearing makeup or getting all dolled up—is some kind of "warped value"? Or why is it supposedly bad for a woman to look to a man for protection?
And one more thing: what's your take on guys wearing makeup and grooming themselves? Is that stupid or totally fine? I'm dying to hear what you think.🙂

Yes, I am fully aware that I have been battling depression and anxiety for two years now. I sought out psychiatric help on my own initiative, and I follow my treatment plan strictly.

Emphasizing certain traits isn't a distorted value, but overemphasizing them certainly is.
It is comparable to a doctor walking down a street wearing a T-shirt that screams, "Look at me, I am a doctor!"

When a woman seeks protection from a man, he becomes the dominant party and she becomes the submissive one. I advocate for equality in all aspects; that means even if a woman were to be the dominant one.

Ultimately, people should be free to do as they please. There are plenty of metrosexual men out there, and it is perfectly fine if they devote significant attention to their physical appearance. While society might harshly judge a man for wearing makeup, I do not. If Scott wears kilts and nobody complains, why should there be an issue with him using grooming products? (Though again, not to the same extreme as women.) 😉
Angela Morgan4 Angela Morgan4 MemberOP
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redharbor9 said:What else did she say? Maybe this was taken out of context... can you just type out the rest of the findings?

The report is organized by bullet points, stating generally that all functions are normal.
- slight increase in depressive symptoms
- gender identity issues
- etc.
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#17 ·
Makeup, grooming, and staying on top of fashion trends don't have anything to do with being masculine or feminine—it’s really just about lifestyle and what actually looks good with someone's specific build and facial features
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#18 ·
At the end of the day, you've got women who are heavily built, unattractive, way too tall, or overly muscular—all decked out in layers of makeup and hyper-feminine outfits—who often just look like they're wearing a costume. And even if that isn't the case, let’s be real: not every body type works with every style or clothing item. I mean, should a plus-sized woman wearing a size 22 really have to order custom "grande" heels from Ledenko and walk around in massive pleated skirts just to make things work?
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#19 ·
Or should some 6-foot-tall athlete just pretend to be helpless and sickly just so she can change a lightbulb—simply because, by some freak coincidence, she happens to be standing next to a kid who might actually need a booster seat? Or maybe she should just constantly slow down during her swims, letting her childhood friends beat her every single time just to avoid bruising their egos and appearing "less feminine"?
steelnomad84 steelnomad84 Member
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#20 ·
Nicholas Gonzalez8 said:
Yeah... honestly, I still don't get why she felt the need to slap that label on me—just totally casual about it, too. It’s not like she sat me down and said, "Hey, this person struggles with insomnia." She just... did it.

Look, people spend their whole lives trying to pin labels on you. Some are meant to lift you up, others are just straight-up garbage, but hey—that's life. At the end of the day, the choice is yours: you can either own it, or you can just laugh it off and keep moving 🙂

Look, people are going to judge you—that's just life. But when it's a psychologist who's supposed to be a professional, using labels like that? That's just straight-up unprofessional.

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