How do you put an end to situations like this...

http://www.nytimes.com/news/crime-story-article-215167

To summarize... a young man was brutally beaten just because he had an mohawk haircut. They left him unconscious in the street, where he was then struck by a car. He passed away in the hospital 😢

And once again, there will be a thousand excuses made for the idiots who did this. Once again, the attackers will somehow be treated with more leniency than the victim...

What can even be done? 🤷
I realize everything starts with how a child is raised at home—the values parents instill from a young age—but there will always be sociopaths out there who shouldn't even be allowed near children, let alone harm them. So what options are left?
The education system, society as a whole... perhaps sanctions. Harsh and swift ones (though that might be a utopia...)
Regarding the killers of Coco Gauff, practically nothing happened. One individual received a single year in prison... a damn YEAR 😢 👎 for murder.
The others faced nothing... once again, the laws and the system seem to protect juvenile delinquents, and in this specific case, murderers.
What kind of message have we sent?
"Go ahead, beat people up in the streets; nothing will happen to you... even if you kill them." 😢

Implementing maximum legal penalties for violent crimes could help. If the killers of Coco Gauff had been sentenced to the harshest possible punishment, it might serve as a deterrent to others acting similarly. Perhaps then, idiots like those mentioned in the link above would actually stop to think whether beating someone up is worth spending 3, 5, 10, or 15 years behind bars.
Maybe they would hesitate... maybe they would walk away. Maybe they wouldn't be reading about it in the crime news today... regardless, another young life has been lost. 😢

silentpilot6 said:http://www.nytimes.com/news/crime-story-article-215167

To summarize... a young man was brutally beaten just because he had an mohawk haircut. They left him unconscious in the street, where he was then struck by a car. He passed away in the hospital 😢

And once again, there will be a thousand excuses made for the idiots who did this. Once again, the attackers will somehow be treated with more leniency than the victim...

What can even be done? 🤷
I realize everything starts with how a child is raised at home—the values parents instill from a young age—but there will always be sociopaths out there who shouldn't even be allowed near children, let alone harm them. So what options are left?
The education system, society as a whole... perhaps sanctions. Harsh and swift ones (though that might be a utopia...)
Regarding the killers of Coco Gauff, practically nothing happened. One individual received a single year in prison... a damn YEAR 😢 👎 for murder.
The others faced nothing... once again, the laws and the system seem to protect juvenile delinquents, and in this specific case, murderers.
What kind of message have we sent?
"Go ahead, beat people up in the streets; nothing will happen to you... even if you kill them." 😢

Implementing maximum legal penalties for violent crimes could help. If the killers of Coco Gauff had been sentenced to the harshest possible punishment, it might serve as a deterrent to others acting similarly. Perhaps then, idiots like those mentioned in the link above would actually stop to think whether beating someone up is worth spending 3, 5, 10, or 15 years behind bars.
Maybe they would hesitate... maybe they would walk away. Maybe they wouldn't be reading about it in the crime news today... regardless, another young life has been lost. 😢

If you ask me, slapping someone with the max penalty doesn't change a damn thing... because look at the US, where we have some of the toughest sentencing laws on the planet and it clearly doesn't mean squat since we still see hundreds of people ending up with life sentences every single day for murder and whatnot... if you're gonna kill someone, you're gonna kill them, period... unless it's one of those rare cases involving pure rage, but that's just how it is... and another thing, this was a tragic accident, most likely those guys didn't set out to kill him, they were just fighting and things went south when the car hit him... it's just like how the attackers against Coco Gauff weren't trying to kill her, they were just beating her up and then things spiraled out of control... someone dies from a blow, while someone else fights their whole life and walks away fine, but aside from people looking for intentional revenge, nobody actually goes out looking to cause death, this was just a straight-up brawl where someone died... I guess we should give life sentences for every single fight then, since any scrap could potentially turn fatal, right... dead people aren't coming back...

Education, education... yeah, easy to say, but how are we supposed to know what "proper upbringing" even looks like when every single person is wired differently? For some people, everything is just constant frustration, for others it isn't...

People need to learn how to defend themselves if they don't want to end up in a situation like this. No one else is going to step in and protect them. It's an unfortunate reality. The law can't stop these things from happening; it can only punish them after the fact. But that doesn't mean much to someone who's already gone.

Well, they just wouldn't have it.
As if they actually wanted to kill him. 😲 And please, let's not draw any comparisons between us and America. I sincerely hope we aren't like America and that we never become anything like it.

Whatever it is they refused to do, they can take it and shove it.
Beating someone and leaving them on a dark, deserted road...

Sentencing serves a purpose: prevention, rehabilitation, and setting an example for others.

Ten years in prison would certainly prevent that idiot from committing a similar crime during that time. Would it rehabilitate him? Honestly, probably not. Would it set an example? One isolated case might not, but if strict sentences lead to more convictions... if that becomes the standard, then at least some people might think twice. Even if it’s just one single moron who decides against an attack because a tiny lightbulb finally flickered in his small brain—that's a win. At least that.

I really thought the Luka Riz case would be a turning point... a signal that violence won't be tolerated here. But no. The message being sent is simply, "Go ahead, keep beating people up." 👎

northernbadger4 said:People need to learn how to defend themselves if they don't want to end up in a situation like this. No one else is going to step in and protect them. It's an unfortunate reality. The law can't stop these things from happening; it can only punish them after the fact. But that doesn't mean much to someone who's already gone.

Man... you can't exactly expect everyone to be trained in self-defense, nor should that really be the expectation.
At the end of the day, unless you're Mirko 😬, if you get jumped by five or six idiots, it doesn't matter how much training you have...

We need to establish a legal term called a "band" (when more than one person takes part in a crime). Committing a crime as part of a "band" should carry a minimum sentence of 5 years for every single member of that "band," plus their individual criminal responsibility on top of that.
Take the case of Luka Riz, for example.
He was jumped by four people.
Three of them were charged with assault, while one was charged with murder.
Think back to that brawl at Yankee Stadium where a group got into it—they couldn't pin down who actually committed the murder, so there was no murder trial at all.

Now, if crimes committed by a group were prosecuted this way, it wouldn't matter specifically which individual pulled the trigger or landed the fatal blow; what would matter is that the group's collective actions resulted in death. Every member of the group would be held responsible for the murder, and then you tack on their specific personal charges.

From what I've observed, intentional murders are handled that way—like the assassination of Pukanić—but when it comes to manslaughter or crimes without premeditation, like what happened to Luka Ritz, they don't apply it.
I think that’s exactly where the system fails.

And the sheer brutality being used? It's unbelievable.
You have a man lying unconscious on the ground, and they just keep beating him. Anyone with half a brain knows that a single strike to the head of someone in that state can be lethal.
I honestly don't think it used to be like this, regardless of how much people talk up the "good old days."
There used to be some kind of line, a point where enough was enough. Today, that moral brake has simply vanished from people's minds.

Joshua Adams41 said:We need to establish a legal term called a "band" (when more than one person takes part in a crime). Committing a crime as part of a "band" should carry a minimum sentence of 5 years for every single member of that "band," plus their individual criminal responsibility on top of that.
Take the case of Luka Riz, for example.
He was jumped by four people.
Three of them were charged with assault, while one was charged with murder.
Think back to that brawl at Yankee Stadium where a group got into it—they couldn't pin down who actually committed the murder, so there was no murder trial at all.

Now, if crimes committed by a group were prosecuted this way, it wouldn't matter specifically which individual pulled the trigger or landed the fatal blow; what would matter is that the group's collective actions resulted in death. Every member of the group would be held responsible for the murder, and then you tack on their specific personal charges.

From what I've observed, intentional murders are handled that way—like the assassination of Pukanić—but when it comes to manslaughter or crimes without premeditation, like what happened to Luka Ritz, they don't apply it.
I think that’s exactly where the system fails.

And the sheer brutality being used? It's unbelievable.
You have a man lying unconscious on the ground, and they just keep beating him. Anyone with half a brain knows that a single strike to the head of someone in that state can be lethal.
I honestly don't think it used to be like this, regardless of how much people talk up the "good old days."
There used to be some kind of line, a point where enough was enough. Today, that moral brake has simply vanished from people's minds.

Hmm... I don't think that's a good example.
For instance, imagine you go out with two or three friends... one of them gets drunk, does something stupid, and beats someone up... you might have just been "standing there," perhaps even trying to de-escalate the situation, and in the end, you get hit with 5 years.
No... it can't work that way.

We really need to start handing out punishments from the very beginning
The people who actually committed the murder didn't just stumble out of their front doors for the first time that night, nor was this their first violent outburst or street brawl.
If they hadn't already served a month in juvenile detention, followed by three months later on, they’d be thinking completely differently and acting a whole lot more disciplined.
Someone needs to remember that parents actually carry a damn amount of responsibility here; if we slapped them with a $667 penalty when their kid is wandering the streets at 11 PM, things might actually start looking a little different.
And so on and so forth.
If we’re only going to act shocked when a full-blown homicide occurs, then we might as well stop pretending to be surprised altogether right now and just accept the reality that being out after dark is dangerous, and that eventually, someone is going to rob you, beat you up, or maybe even kill you.

Everyone’s got their own twisted way of looking at things, right? Like, in some parts of the country, the more time you spend behind bars, the more people look at you like some kind of hardened outlaw, and honestly, it’s not much better here in the States either... eventually, some old man is gonna get roughed up at home and just shut his mouth for good, while someone else ends up in a cell because they decided to claim their old man was treating them like a punching bag when they were kids...

It's a damn messed up situation... fighting is always gonna be part of the deal, unless we can somehow make humans immortal or totally bulletproof... I'm talking about some crazy sci-fi injection that makes your skin just bounce right off any blow

hollowtrucker77 makes a fair point... you have to take things one step at a time.
First, it’s a misdemeanor or getting caught in a brawl—maybe a month. Then it escalates to six months. If you somehow manage to hit a third strike, you better be prepared to spend a few years behind bars. It's a choice you make, but you can't tell me someone just "accidentally" ends up in trouble for a third time. 😲

silentpilot6 said:Hmm... I don't think that's a good example.
For instance, imagine you go out with two or three friends... one of them gets drunk, does something stupid, and beats someone up... you might have just been "standing there," perhaps even trying to de-escalate the situation, and in the end, you get hit with 5 years.
No... it can't work that way.

Look, you aren't going to get slapped with five years just for standing around being a bystander since you didn't actually participate. But if you throw even one single punch? Well, you aren't looking at a light sentence either. In my opinion, we should be looking at much harsher penalties for group beatdowns.
Extreme situations demand extreme measures.

If two guys are just holding someone down, they might get off with some joke of a punishment, probably probation.
But that’s assuming those two guys weren't essentially facilitating a murder.
If Luka Ritz had been attacked by just one lone individual, maybe Luka wouldn't have even ended up in the hospital.
So why shouldn't the responsibility for his death be spread across everyone in that group? Because they all played a part in making the crime possible in the first place.
Right now, they are only being judged for the specific punches they threw, but if they hadn't been there, Luka would likely still be alive today. This guy alone might not have even dared to attack Luka, or he certainly wouldn't have been able to inflict such devastating injuries without their help.

silentpilot6 said:Man... you can't exactly expect everyone to be trained in self-defense, nor should that really be the expectation.
At the end of the day, unless you're Mirko 😬, if you get jumped by five or six idiots, it doesn't matter how much training you have...

It’s either that or you die. I'll admit, the choice isn't exactly great—it's pretty damn shitty—but if you find yourself in that spot, those are the only two options you've got. And as for being outnumbered six to one, yeah, that's definitely possible. But whatever, let's not go down that road. It's not important right now.

northernbadger4 said:It’s either that or you die. I'll admit, the choice isn't exactly great—it's pretty damn shitty—but if you find yourself in that spot, those are the only two options you've got. And as for being outnumbered six to one, yeah, that's definitely possible. But whatever, let's not go down that road. It's not important right now.

Alistar overrem and his brother once absolutely laid out five bouncers at some club... if you count the first two going down instantly, then it's basically 3 against 2, which isn't a huge deal, but man, 6 against 1 would be something else entirely...

There were rumors floating around back in the day that Preskar beat the hell out of some lone security guard outside a lounge, whether that's true or not... anyone who actually knows how to fight knows you'd need at least three years of training just to stand a chance...

The punishment should actually fit the crime.
But unfortunately, we live in such a "civilized" era now that justice has been swapped out for therapists. Suddenly, everyone’s an expert claiming these crimes are always caused by society, upbringing, video games, or movies... rather than the actual person who pulled the trigger.
So instead, we end up with a broken system where the victim ends up in a grave while the perpetrator gets a year in prison for some supposed "rehabilitation."

The USA has psychologists too, so the electric chair still works just fine!

Maybe twenty years ago, or even longer, there was a case in the US involving a minor who committed murder. She wasn't acting alone—she was manipulated, intoxicated, and caught up in a mess of bad influences. Once she was caught, despite the clear presence of an accomplice, she was sentenced as if she were an adult. She was executed via the electric chair 🤔 just before reaching adulthood, if I recall correctly.
That specific case triggered the state to abolish the death penalty.
We should be looking at these current measures the same way.

Obviously, cutting these measures doesn't magically erase violence, but the reality is that in the US, we end up locking up people who pose no threat while letting the truly dangerous ones walk free.

goldeneagle8 said:If you ask me, slapping someone with the max penalty doesn't change a damn thing... because look at the US, where we have some of the toughest sentencing laws on the planet and it clearly doesn't mean squat since we still see hundreds of people ending up with life sentences every single day for murder and whatnot... if you're gonna kill someone, you're gonna kill them, period... unless it's one of those rare cases involving pure rage, but that's just how it is... and another thing, this was a tragic accident, most likely those guys didn't set out to kill him, they were just fighting and things went south when the car hit him... it's just like how the attackers against Coco Gauff weren't trying to kill her, they were just beating her up and then things spiraled out of control... someone dies from a blow, while someone else fights their whole life and walks away fine, but aside from people looking for intentional revenge, nobody actually goes out looking to cause death, this was just a straight-up brawl where someone died... I guess we should give life sentences for every single fight then, since any scrap could potentially turn fatal, right... dead people aren't coming back...

Education, education... yeah, easy to say, but how are we supposed to know what "proper upbringing" even looks like when every single person is wired differently? For some people, everything is just constant frustration, for others it isn't...

I wouldn't say it's quite like that.

Plus, when you look at things like gang beatings where a bunch of cowards jump one person, it's basically just a pack mentality where everyone is just following some leader or mimicking each other. And honestly, trying to figure out who actually intended what before everything goes south is pretty complicated. That's why we even bother having courts and all that, I suppose. But, I totally agree that one year for a murder is way too light, even if the person is a minor. On the flip side, I'm not so sure about the whole "just lock them up" approach either. I think we probably need to look at bigger ideas regarding how the entire justice system works as a whole.

Certainly not like this
http://nytimes.com/news/us/national/n...uku/richards.html
and with an unenforceable ruling a year later 🙄
when one segment of the population thrives on violence while another is fully committed to a modern, diverse way of life—something the former can't grasp because they're culturally lagging about 30 years behind—then that kind of savage, primitive behavior needs to be clearly exposed and condemned, rather than playing politics over whose SON is who and other nonsense.

silentpilot6 said:http://www.nytimes.com/news/crime-story-article-215167

To summarize... a young man was brutally beaten just because he had an mohawk haircut. They left him unconscious in the street, where he was then struck by a car. He passed away in the hospital 😢

And once again, there will be a thousand excuses made for the idiots who did this. Once again, the attackers will somehow be treated with more leniency than the victim...

What can even be done? 🤷
I realize everything starts with how a child is raised at home—the values parents instill from a young age—but there will always be sociopaths out there who shouldn't even be allowed near children, let alone harm them. So what options are left?
The education system, society as a whole... perhaps sanctions. Harsh and swift ones (though that might be a utopia...)
Regarding the killers of Coco Gauff, practically nothing happened. One individual received a single year in prison... a damn YEAR 😢 👎 for murder.
The others faced nothing... once again, the laws and the system seem to protect juvenile delinquents, and in this specific case, murderers.
What kind of message have we sent?
"Go ahead, beat people up in the streets; nothing will happen to you... even if you kill them." 😢

Implementing maximum legal penalties for violent crimes could help. If the killers of Coco Gauff had been sentenced to the harshest possible punishment, it might serve as a deterrent to others acting similarly. Perhaps then, idiots like those mentioned in the link above would actually stop to think whether beating someone up is worth spending 3, 5, 10, or 15 years behind bars.
Maybe they would hesitate... maybe they would walk away. Maybe they wouldn't be reading about it in the crime news today... regardless, another young life has been lost. 😢

First, I have to admit I'm stunned by the fact that the guy is about 6'3" and nearly 265 lbs (according to the news reports), yet he couldn't even defend himself. He just stood there taking the beating until he lost consciousness. They say he was a gentle, quiet person, but still, it's incredible to me that there wasn't even a minimal survival instinct kicks in 🤷
Second, the sentences given to these cowardly parasites feel like a slap in the face to everyone else who actually follows the rules of the society we live in 🤮

How do we put an end to this? Ultimately, through brutal punishment without a shred of mercy, and if that doesn't work, through swift and efficient removal of such individuals from society. Before that point, though, we need better socialization and more effective work from social services and school psychologists—and we need neighbors, parents, and teachers to stop looking the other way. So much damage is done within families that spend years nurturing a future violent offender by simply tolerating their outbursts.

Man, I just heard about this on the news. 😲

It’s heavy. Honestly, I’m speechless. Rest in peace. 😢

I really hope those killers rot in prison for at least the next 60 years. 😠