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Inside Llewyn Davis (2013)

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redgull8 redgull8 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
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The latest hit from the Coen brothers follows a week in the life of a struggling folk singer trying to make it big in Greenwich Village back in 1961.

Llewyn Davis (Oscar Isaac) is just wandering through a freezing New York City winter with nothing but his guitar, facing a mountain of obstacles—some of which he basically cooked up himself. He’s getting by thanks to a mix of friends and total strangers while scraping together enough to survive, all while chasing an audition with some big-shot music producer. The soundtrack is killer, too; it really pulls you back in time, featuring tunes by Oscar Isaac, Justin Timberlake, Carey Mulligan, plus Marcus Mumford and Punch Brothers.


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Found this interesting review

The movie actually did pretty well with the critics, too.
All in all, seems like a really cool watch. 🍿
Jamie Turner80 Jamie Turner80 Member
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#2 ·
It was penned by the absolute mastermind T-Bone Burnett.
driftingseal11 driftingseal11 Member
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#3 ·
I’ve been trying to catch this movie for three weeks now, I swear. Just waiting on some decent English subtitles to drop, but nothing yet. 🙂
northerntrucker2 northerntrucker2 Member
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#4 ·
In my humble opinion, this is easily the weakest entry in the entire Coen film catalog. It felt incredibly tedious and entirely too predictable, to be honest—even Oscar Isaac didn't manage to deliver one of those standout performances I've come to expect from him. It was just... mediocre.
Jamie Turner80 Jamie Turner80 Member
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#5 ·
Inside Llewyn Davis is simultaneously coherent and confusing, brimming with references that perhaps don't point to anything specific. While it is set in the past and based on a real figure (Van Ronk), it isn't particularly historical or biographical in nature. It adheres to the essence of a Coen film in terms of theme, style, and philosophical outlook—regardless of the era, for every person who succeeds, there are a hundred who fail, and life remains difficult, futile, and absurd, though it can be entertaining or at least amusing to observe. However, the directors eschew the typical Coen irony regarding their characters. They seem to identify with the title character, adding an interesting autobiographical note: talent and hard work are no guarantee of success, evidenced by the fact that they, four-time Oscar winners, had to seek funding across the Atlantic. Yet, much like our protagonist, they neither desire nor solicit any sympathy for themselves. It is a truly peculiar movie.
The story takes place in 1961, in New York City, centered around the folk revival scene in Greenwich Village. It captures a sort of transitional period where the Beats were fading out, yet the hippie movement had not yet ascended. The folk scene around Greenwich Village was more of a tight-knit circle than a full-blown industry, and Bob Dylan is nowhere to be seen. Of course, there are folk artists who managed to break through primarily by flirting with the pop scene, but Llewyn Davis is not one of them. Once part of a moderately successful duo, he is left alone on the stage following his partner's suicide, penniless and homeless, left entirely to the mercy of friends, acquaintances, and colleagues.
It is clear from the start that the Coens are going to run him through a metaphorical torture machine, as he is the quintessentially atypical-typical Coen loser. Much like Burton Fink, he is an artist whose very existence is under threat, but unlike him, he possesses undeniable talent in his craft. Like Ulysses Everet McGill (Brother Where art Thou), he wanders through a merciless world, but unlike him, he lacks a fixed objective. This isn't an odyssey; it's just drifting. And finally, like Larry Gopnik (A Serious Man), Llewyn is plagued by incredible bad luck, such that "everything he touches turns to shit," as one line suggests. But this isn't due to some cosmic conspiracy or ancestral sin; when things go wrong, Llewyn is largely responsible for his own mess.

more at:
http://film-na-dan.blogspot.com/2014...wyn-davis.html
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
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#6 ·
Is this movie anything special? Not really. It’s not bad, per se, but maybe it's just the most "ordinary" Coen film they've ever made.

That said, a few things actually resonated with me.SPOILERI For instance, I appreciated how there wasn't some forced climax, a massive plot twist, or a tidy little resolution. The story just flows.

On the flip side, I don't think the depiction of the sixties was particularly authentic. I can't quite put my finger on why, but I felt like I was watching something set in a much more modern era—until I'd spot an old car and remember, oh right, the sixties.

7/10
redtiger53 redtiger53 Member
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#7 ·
I watched it about a week or two ago, and I thought it was excellent right away. Calling it the "most ordinary" Coen film might be fair since the plot is quite mundane, but in every other way, I feel like they used that very ordinariness to reach a new level. I also agree with what Jamie Turner80 noted—there isn't that typical detachment from the main character, which I found to be a really nice change of pace (and I don't just mean visually).

I've been listening to the soundtrack for days now, and I'm enjoying it even more. Maybe it's just because I already tend to like this kind of music.
Steven Torres10 Steven Torres10 Newcomer
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#8 ·
@Jamie Turner80, decent take, but one thing really bugged me here:

There isn't even a hint of Bob Dylan in there.

(partial) +++SPOILER+++

Wait, wasn't that Bob Dylan on stage when Davis heads outside to see which "friend" is waiting to beat him up? And he performs the song Farewell? Given that specific singing style, I mean, there's no doubt it's Bob Dylan. Plus, there's a ton of symbolism going on there. First off, the title of the song Dylan is singing. Second, Bob Dylan himself as this massive figure in the folk scene. While everyone else was just recycling old folk tunes without adding anything fresh, Dylan basically took folk to a whole new dimension and revolutionized it because nobody had ever performed it quite like him. Because of that, the whole philosophy Davis (and all those other folkies back then) lived by—"if it’s never new and it never gets old, it’s a folk song"—was totally wrong.

I guess I have to admit the Dylan thing confuses me a bit, though, since the movie is set in 1961, yet Dylan recorded the song Farewell 1963 at one of those clubs in Greenwich Village.🤷

+++END (partial) SPOILER+++😁

All in all, I thought it was a really nice movie and way "deeper" than it looks at first glance. I'd even say it's a slightly atypical Coen film.😁 It definitely isn't as much fun as most of their other stuff (so I totally get where northerntrucker2 is coming from), but I don't know, it has a certain charm to it for me. I enjoyed watching it and I'd definitely recommend it.
Jamie Turner80 Jamie Turner80 Member
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#9 ·
My apologies, perhaps I didn't articulate my point clearly enough. I was referring to Bob Dylan as a paradigm—exactly the concept you were touching upon—rather than discussing Bob Dylan as a specific individual or songwriter. I am speaking about the burgeoning scene during that era, just before the massive explosion of popularity. It is entirely possible that I simply missed the mark on Dylan himself back then; he might have been just another face among many in the folk revival, one of those relative losers searching for a break. Furthermore, it is quite plausible that the Coens intentionally placed him in the deep background of a club setting simply to sharpen the narrative arc of Llewyn Davis.
Joshua Smith5 Joshua Smith5 Active Member
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#10 ·
I saw Dylan’s "divine" appearance at the end of the movie as the answer to all of Llewyn's problems. See, while he's a decent performer, Llewyn—much like his so-called friends—doesn't actually stand out in a sea of similar faces. Dylan, with his distinct vocal style and songwriting, elevates the entire folk scene in the eyes of the average person. He sits on a pedestal, sure, but he brings Joan Baez, Phil Ochs, and Judy Collins up there with him. So, if I read that ending correctly, Llewyn Davis is going to make it. After all, isn't his character based on Dave Van Ronk?
Jamie Turner80 Jamie Turner80 Member
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#11 ·
While it draws inspiration from Van Ronk, the narrative maintains enough of a Coen film essence to avoid being labeled a mere biopic. The fact that Van Ronk actually made it through and eventually found success—even if it was just basic recognition on the scene rather than true mainstream stardom—doesn't necessarily carry any weight when examining the story of Llewyn Davis, particularly through the lens of the Coen brothers' style.
Steven Torres10 Steven Torres10 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Joshua Smith5 said:I saw Dylan's 'divine' appearance at the end as the solution to all of Llewyn's problems. I mean, while he's a decent performer, Llewyn—just like his (not so) friends—doesn't really stand out in a sea of similar faces. Dylan, with his unique vocal style and songwriting, just elevates the whole folk scene for the average listener. He’s on a pedestal, sure, but he brings Joan Baez, Phil Ochs, and Judy Collins up there with him. So, if I'm reading this right, Llewyn Davis might actually make it. I mean, isn't his character based on Dave Van Ronk anyway?

+++IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE, DON'T READ THIS BECAUSE IT CONTAINS SPOILERS+++

Yeah, he's based on Van Ronk. After all, he has an album called Inside Van Ronk, and the cover looks suspiciously like Davis's album cover. But honestly, I don't think you should look too hard for deeper connections since it's not exactly a semi-autobiographical movie. I was checking his career on Wikipedia, and it turns out the guy Davis played with—the one who died and had an album with him—is totally fictional. Also, the timeline confuses me; Inside Van Ronk came out in 1964, but the movie is set in 1961 and Davis already has an album out. It's weird.🤷

As for Dylan showing up, I took that as the final nail in the coffin for Davis's career. To me, it felt like just another slap in the face that would only push him closer to quitting. You've got this new kid appearing and absolutely killing it, performing exactly the song "Farewell." Then, at the very end, when the guy who beat him gets into a taxi, Davis waves and says "au revoir," which also means goodbye. I guess I could be totally wrong about that, though.

Oh, one more thing—what do you guys think the role of the Gorfein couple is here? For a second, I thought maybe they were the parents of the colleague who died, but I'm probably overthinking it.🤷
Jacob Adams Jacob Adams Newcomer
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#13 ·
spoiler alert!

I mean, I honestly think you might be overthinking it—it seems pretty clear to me that the Gorfeins actually are the parents of that deceased colleague.
Daniel Kelly57 Daniel Kelly57 Active Member
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#14 ·
Sandra Davis64 said:spoiler alert!

I don't think you're overthinking it—the Gorfeins definitely are the parents of his late friend.

Obviously they are. If you watch the scene where he looks up their number in the book, it's pretty clear they share the same last name as his dead buddy. There’s no way he’d be letting them crash at his place constantly and welcoming him with open arms if there wasn't a connection.🙂
Daniel Kelly57 Daniel Kelly57 Active Member
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#15 ·
Jamie Turner80 said:Sorry, maybe I didn't word that right. I mean Bob Dylan as a paradigm—exactly what you were getting at—not Bob Dylan as a specific songwriter or guy. It's about the scene in development, right before everything exploded. It's totally possible I just missed him back then, or maybe he was just one of many anonymous folk revival losers chasing a break. And honestly, the Coen brothers might have just tucked him into the deep background of the club scene to drive home the whole point of Llewyn Davis.

Man, did you seriously fall asleep right at the end of the movie and miss Dylan's cameo?🤷
Steven Torres10 Steven Torres10 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Sandra Davis64 said:spoiler alert!

I mean, I think you're missing the point here. I guess Gorfein and his wife are actually the parents of that colleague who passed away.

Yeah, but I don't know, Davis's reaction to Mrs. Gorfein when she starts singing feels a little weird to me. Like, he just loses it at his mother? It seems kind of illogical. It’s almost like he’s more hit by her death than his own parents are.

Grace Sanders24 said:It’s obvious they are. I mean, if you look at that one scene where he’s checking the book for their number, you can clearly see they share the same last name as his late friend. It wouldn't make any sense for them to just constantly take him in and welcome him with open arms for no reason, right?🙂

Look, I totally missed that bit about the book. So, yeah, I guess they really are the parents after all.
Michelle Long6 Michelle Long6 Member
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#17 ·
Pretty cool movie. It’s one of those where the cinematography and the soundtrack just pull you in so deep that the whole thing flies by before you know it. The lead actor is great, too. According to IMDb: "The first Coen film in which no main character dies." And honestly, that’s true... 😛 8/10
Jerry Ramos90 Jerry Ramos90 Member
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#18 ·
I started watching, but I didn't make it to the end... honestly, that wailing was getting on my nerves right from the jump.
The movie feels like a total rip-off of Searching for Sugarman. Except, maybe, Sugarman actually knew how to sing. ☕

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Noah Roberts46 Noah Roberts46 Regular
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#19 ·
It’s a bit of a slog, honestly, but thanks to the killer soundtrack and the Coen film direction being consistently top-tier, I’ll give it a passing grade. I have to admit, though, I was expecting a lot more from this one.
Amanda Robinson4 Amanda Robinson4 Active Member
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#20 ·
Just finished watching one of the weaker Coen brothers movies...

It’s got those charming little moments and that signature dark humor they do so well, but honestly, the people just don't act like they're actually living in the 60s. It felt a bit off...

Funny at times, and the music scenes definitely hit the mark. It's a decent enough flick, but nothing groundbreaking...

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