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Samuel Wood3 Samuel Wood3 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
... during a job interview? I’m dropping this topic here because I was wondering if any psychologists out there who handle corporate testing could weigh in on what employers are actually looking for. I already asked about this over on Coca-Cola—you know, the whole "name five weaknesses and five strengths" thing. Should I lie? Make something up? Or just claim I don't have any flaws? Is that just one example of many? I honestly wonder what carries weight these days—is it originality, being sincere, or just being really good at playing the game? If anyone works with those various psychometric assessments or cognitive ability tests, I’d love some advice or even just a quick comment. Of course, everyone else is welcome to chime in too 😁. Thanks 😉
redharbor9 redharbor9 Regular
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joined Aug 2009
#2 ·
He wants to define what a good employee looks like to him, and he wants to find someone who actually fits his vibe. 🙂

Now you're gonna tell me I sounded stupid, but let me ask you something: you really think every boss out there asks the same questions, uses the same criteria, and hunts for the exact same skill sets?
Samuel Wood3 Samuel Wood3 NewcomerOP
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#3 ·
So, specifically regarding the pros and cons—since everyone seems to be asking about it... what should I actually say as a strength if I'm applying for a role involving someone who just pushes unnecessary products? 🤷
boldnomad45 boldnomad45 Active Member
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joined Dec 2020
#4 ·
Samuel Wood3 said:So, specifically regarding the pros and cons—since everyone seems to be asking about it... what should I actually say as a strength if I'm applying for a role involving someone who just pushes unnecessary products? 🤷

I once overheard my director saying that if someone can't look her in the eye during an interview, she crosses them off the list immediately.
🤷
..not exactly advice, but there it is..
wiredwolf wiredwolf Newcomer
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joined Aug 2011
#5 ·
I've been reflecting on this lately—what exactly is an employer looking for in today's market? I’d love to hear your thoughts on what truly carries weight in a hiring decision these days. 🙂

I have a nagging feeling that it all really comes down to the specific employer you happen to be dealing with, because it seems to me that some companies are laser-focused on whether your resume is polished or if your skill set aligns perfectly with their immediate needs, while others might care more about having a certain degree just for the sake of tradition—or perhaps they're looking for someone who simply fits their office culture or possesses a certain charisma during the interview process. Honestly, only they truly know what they're looking for.

So, here’s my take—and you know how much I love to share my unsolicited opinions—but I honestly feel like this whole "personality traits" question is way more overrated in professional circles than anyone cares to admit. It feels like someone just tossed it into an interview once, it stuck, and now we're all just playing along with the trend. That said, if any of my colleagues could be so kind as to explain what the actual point of asking that is, I’ll happily admit I was wrong and go hide under my desk in shame. 😁 Well, let’s be honest—it’s a fair question when you look at it objectively, and I suppose if we really sit down and think about it, any single trait can flip from being a total blessing to a complete curse depending on the moment.
It might actually be a wise move to list those specific traits that define how you tackle your workload, especially since I’ve encountered quite a few people who turn into completely different individuals once they step away from their desks—becoming totally laid-back, almost entirely checked out, and frankly, a little bit mindless when they're off the clock. 😁It seems rather counterproductive to spend an entire interview describing how you act when you're just relaxing at home, especially when your colleagues see you as this incredibly focused, high-achieving powerhouse during office hours.

Perhaps it might be a wise move to actually select and highlight only those specific qualities that truly align with the organization or the role you're eyeing, especially when you're putting yourself out there. And when it comes to discussing your flaws, please, try not to be quite so hard on yourself—we all have a tendency to overanalyze our shortcomings, don't we? I remember once being far too candid during an interview and mentioning that I sometimes struggle with punctuality, which, as you can probably imagine, didn't exactly help me land the job, haha! 😉 Perhaps you could try opting for a slightly softer approach; just a little nudge to reshape how the idea comes across.

Look, if you honestly claim to be a flawless human being, any serious psychologist worth their salt is going to assume you’re just pulling their leg. 😁
If you can manage to deliver an answer that’s both clever and resourceful, I have no doubt you'll make quite the impression—though, honestly, throwing in a little bit of humor wouldn't hurt one bit. 🙂It’s certainly appropriate, of course. 😁

It seems like we’re looking at yet another instance of one side being completely out of step with reality, because honestly, sometimes you just need a simple way to filter people out—even if that meant asking something as trivial as whether someone prefers strawberries or pineapple. There really ought to be some form of selection process in place, rather than them just throwing out whatever arbitrary criteria they feel like using at the moment.

I don't want to go shooting in the dark here, so I was wondering if you could kindly list the specific qualities you mentioned, or perhaps you might be willing to provide them now? 🙂?


Quincy:
Samuel Wood3 As expressed by:
So, I found myself in the middle of a job interview recently, and I thought I’d bring the topic here to see if any psychologists who specialize in corporate assessment might be willing to weigh in on what employers are actually hunting for. I even posted a version of this over on Pixar, asking about that classic, dreaded question: "What are your five strengths and five weaknesses?" It makes me wonder if it's better to just lean into a little white lie, invent something plausible, or if claiming to have no flaws is the way to go—though that feels a bit silly, doesn't it? Honestly, I can't quite figure out what the gold standard is these days; is it true originality and sincerity, or is there still some value in being a really polished, high-level manipulator? If there are any professionals out there working with those various psychological profiles or cognitive ability tests, I would be so incredibly grateful if you could share a bit of wisdom or even just a passing comment, though of course, anyone else is more than welcome to join the conversation! 😁 ) thanks so much 😉
Samuel Wood3 Samuel Wood3 NewcomerOP
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#6 ·
Well, for now, I’ll just say I have nothing but virtues 😂—if you can call them that—and they don't really "bother" me...
James Rogers4 James Rogers4 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2007
#7 ·
Samuel Wood3 said:... during a job interview? I’m dropping this topic here because I was wondering if any psychologists out there who handle corporate testing could weigh in on what employers are actually looking for. I already asked about this over on Coca-Cola—you know, the whole "name five weaknesses and five strengths" thing. Should I lie? Make something up? Or just claim I don't have any flaws? Is that just one example of many? I honestly wonder what carries weight these days—is it originality, being sincere, or just being really good at playing the game? If anyone works with those various psychometric assessments or cognitive ability tests, I’d love some advice or even just a quick comment. Of course, everyone else is welcome to chime in too 😁. Thanks 😉

It feels like you're subtly looking for an answer from an employer, so let me help you out..

- someone who is ready to get their work done on time and with a smile
- someone who lifts the group's mood and stays positive and helpful
- someone who doesn't start asking about vacation days after just one week
- someone who doesn't ask for a raise a month after starting
- someone who doesn't take maternity leave three months after being hired

And finally, most importantly—someone who provides a return on investment.
In other words, any employer who sees you as someone capable of generating twice the revenue they spend on you will welcome you with open arms.

All these questions about strengths and weaknesses are mostly nonsense; nobody actually cares. Everyone just wants results and a solid ROI, because employees are essentially investments.

Because of that, you should craft a pitch that convinces an employer you'll be the one driving their profits, in exchange for a stable role and a steady paycheck.

Just as an example, if you had spent the last week analyzing my company, showed up to the interview, explained exactly why you're there, why you want to work for my firm, and how you contribute to my overall vision while guaranteeing you'll pay for yourself, I would have hired you on the spot.

That’s why people in marketing, sales, and management tend to do better in the job market—they provide a quick return on investment.
Sam Wright21 Sam Wright21 Regular
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joined Jul 2016
#8 ·
The type of candidate who doesn't even bother asking about the salary—someone who walks in with a smile, perfectly willing to work for peanuts while offering one hundred percent of their soul to the job. Of course, you aren't supposed to say that out loud; instead, you’re expected to signal that desperation through some subtle, unspoken subtext in your interview performance.
wiredwolf wiredwolf Newcomer
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joined Aug 2011
#9 ·
James Rogers4 said:It feels like you're subtly looking for an answer from an employer, so let me help you out..

- someone who is ready to get their work done on time and with a smile
- someone who lifts the group's mood and stays positive and helpful
- someone who doesn't start asking about vacation days after just one week
- someone who doesn't ask for a raise a month after starting
- someone who doesn't take maternity leave three months after being hired

And finally, most importantly—someone who provides a return on investment.
In other words, any employer who sees you as someone capable of generating twice the revenue they spend on you will welcome you with open arms.

All these questions about strengths and weaknesses are mostly nonsense; nobody actually cares. Everyone just wants results and a solid ROI, because employees are essentially investments.

Because of that, you should craft a pitch that convinces an employer you'll be the one driving their profits, in exchange for a stable role and a steady paycheck.

Just as an example, if you had spent the last week analyzing my company, showed up to the interview, explained exactly why you're there, why you want to work for my firm, and how you contribute to my overall vision while guaranteeing you'll pay for yourself, I would have hired you on the spot.

That’s why people in marketing, sales, and management tend to do better in the job market—they provide a quick return on investment.

👍 ..."that you'll be worth the investment"... haha, oh man 😁
Eric Jackson11 Eric Jackson11 Active Member
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joined Jul 2012
#10 ·
James Rogers4 said:It feels like you're subtly looking for an answer from an employer, so let me help you out..

- someone who is ready to get their work done on time and with a smile
- someone who lifts the group's mood and stays positive and helpful
- someone who doesn't start asking about vacation days after just one week
- someone who doesn't ask for a raise a month after starting
- someone who doesn't take maternity leave three months after being hired

And finally, most importantly—someone who provides a return on investment.
In other words, any employer who sees you as someone capable of generating twice the revenue they spend on you will welcome you with open arms.

All these questions about strengths and weaknesses are mostly nonsense; nobody actually cares. Everyone just wants results and a solid ROI, because employees are essentially investments.

Because of that, you should craft a pitch that convinces an employer you'll be the one driving their profits, in exchange for a stable role and a steady paycheck.

Just as an example, if you had spent the last week analyzing my company, showed up to the interview, explained exactly why you're there, why you want to work for my firm, and how you contribute to my overall vision while guaranteeing you'll pay for yourself, I would have hired you on the spot.

That’s why people in marketing, sales, and management tend to do better in the job market—they provide a quick return on investment.

1. Why does someone need to do their duties with a smile? To me, a smile doesn't mean much. That answer actually kind of overlaps with your second point anyway.
2. Vacation days? It's perfectly normal to ask, especially if you've been working overtime and expect to be compensated for it, not just given time off.
3. A raise? If there was a contract signed during hiring, just point them back to those specific terms.
4. I really don't even want to comment on the maternity leave part.
Eric Jackson11 Eric Jackson11 Active Member
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joined Jul 2012
#11 ·
Let’s clear things up for those employers who seem to think people in marketing and management are automatically delivering an immediate return on investment.
The reality is that demand for marketing and "management" roles is actually quite low right now because many sectors in those fields are facing significant losses. So, that whole argument about the current state of that job market just doesn't hold water.
Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent.

Personally, if I were hiring someone, I wouldn't require them to walk in with a forced smile or a fake sense of cheerfulness.
That kind of positive atmosphere is something the employer needs to cultivate 🙂
Employees are definitely an investment, but they aren't just mindless assets.
Their rights should be clearly protected by law.

At the end of the day, the most important thing is that both the employee and the employer feel satisfied in their shared workspace. They need to realize together that they are building something that benefits both themselves and the company paying their salary.
When you go above and beyond what was expected, your confidence grows—that's the real engine behind everything, and it deserves to be rewarded.
You should hire people based on their ambitions and give them enough room to breathe without micromanaging them.
Encourage them to highlight their flaws, too. It's much easier for people to be honest about where they struggle, whereas others can be the ones to judge their strengths.

@James Rogers4, please don't let that kind of negativity make you an employer.
With a mindset like yours, you'll end up crushing any motivation a worker might have to help build your collective success.

Unfortunately, because jobs are hard to find lately, people often settle for bizarre conditions like the ones you're describing. The real question is how much profit those conditions will actually bring to "your" company in the long run.
Kyle Lee7 Kyle Lee7 Active Member
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joined Nov 2007
#12 ·
I’ve hired several people over the last few years, and honestly, I’ve been happy with everyone I’ve brought on board.

The first thing you look at is whether they actually know how to do the job—do they have the right qualifications, the experience, or at least the genuine potential to learn the ropes?

That’s just the baseline requirement. When it comes down to picking the final candidate, that’s where personality takes over. And I don't mean grilling them with a checklist of "five strengths and five weaknesses." Instead, I prefer to just sit down and have a conversation—often over coffee. We start with technical topics and then naturally drift into more casual territory, talking about their interests or what they do outside of work. I make sure to participate too, so it doesn't feel like a police interrogation.

Once you observe someone and they finally start to relax, their true self really comes through.

For me, the most important things were finding someone who was grounded, easygoing, and confident. I look for people who communicate easily, show real initiative, stay positive, and demonstrate a certain level of maturity.

I won't get into the smaller details, since those vary depending on the industry.

As for faking it, giving rehearsed answers, or putting on a polished act: please don't.
Anyone with even a shred of intuition will see right through you in a heartbeat.

Whatever role you’re applying for, you need to do your homework on what the requirements are. If you aren't a fit, don't pretend to be—even if you do get the job, you're only doing yourself a disservice in the long run. Just be honest.
If you haven't put in the effort to research everything possible before the interview, and reflected on why you actually want to work there and what you expect from the role, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously?

Even the title of your thread gives it away—what is it that an employer wants to hear?
It sounds like you think you can just tell someone exactly what they want to hear, regardless of whether it's true. That’s actually quite condescending toward a potential employer, and it doesn't fly with us.
A better approach would be to ask the employer what they specifically need to know.

The relationship between an employer and an employee isn't a one-way street. You have every right to expect respect, appreciation, and fair treatment, but the same standard applies to you.
Jeffrey Ramos4 Jeffrey Ramos4 Active Member
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joined Nov 2008
#13 ·
One thing you absolutely cannot do is lie or try to play games when it comes to your actual skill set. You have to be real and just lay it all out on the table. The trick is to keep those weaker points to a minimum—and if you absolutely have to bring them up, frame them in a way that makes an employer feel like investing their time and energy in you is actually worth the payoff. Focus on your strengths and explain exactly why those qualities make you the right fit for the role. But please, don't cross the line into sounding arrogant or overconfident. And seriously, watch your first impression. People love to say you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but let's be honest... we're only human, and you can't escape the halo effect. That’s why you need to show up looking professional, know your basic etiquette, offer a firm handshake, and maintain eye contact. If you don't, you've lost before you've even started. Besides, most studies show that what employers value above everything else is pure MOTIVATION.
Nathan Kelly5 Nathan Kelly5 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#14 ·
Eric Jackson11 said:Let’s clear things up for those employers who seem to think people in marketing and management are automatically delivering an immediate return on investment.
The reality is that demand for marketing and "management" roles is actually quite low right now because many sectors in those fields are facing significant losses. So, that whole argument about the current state of that job market just doesn't hold water.
Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent.

Personally, if I were hiring someone, I wouldn't require them to walk in with a forced smile or a fake sense of cheerfulness.
That kind of positive atmosphere is something the employer needs to cultivate 🙂
Employees are definitely an investment, but they aren't just mindless assets.
Their rights should be clearly protected by law.

At the end of the day, the most important thing is that both the employee and the employer feel satisfied in their shared workspace. They need to realize together that they are building something that benefits both themselves and the company paying their salary.
When you go above and beyond what was expected, your confidence grows—that's the real engine behind everything, and it deserves to be rewarded.
You should hire people based on their ambitions and give them enough room to breathe without micromanaging them.
Encourage them to highlight their flaws, too. It's much easier for people to be honest about where they struggle, whereas others can be the ones to judge their strengths.

@James Rogers4, please don't let that kind of negativity make you an employer.
With a mindset like yours, you'll end up crushing any motivation a worker might have to help build your collective success.

Unfortunately, because jobs are hard to find lately, people often settle for bizarre conditions like the ones you're describing. The real question is how much profit those conditions will actually bring to "your" company in the long run.

Exactly. When I read that part about the director crucifying people just because they won't make eye contact, I couldn't help but laugh. First of all, a significant number of people deal with social anxiety or discomfort regarding eye contact with strangers—you see it every day. Second, some people don't even think twice about it (and honestly, they shouldn't have to). It tells you absolutely nothing about a person's character, let alone their ability to perform their job. Unless, of course, you're hiring a TV anchor who needs to stare intensely at a camera lens all day.
Nathan Kelly5 Nathan Kelly5 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#15 ·
Jeffrey Ramos4 said:One thing you absolutely cannot do is lie or try to play games when it comes to your actual skill set. You have to be real and just lay it all out on the table. The trick is to keep those weaker points to a minimum—and if you absolutely have to bring them up, frame them in a way that makes an employer feel like investing their time and energy in you is actually worth the payoff. Focus on your strengths and explain exactly why those qualities make you the right fit for the role. But please, don't cross the line into sounding arrogant or overconfident. And seriously, watch your first impression. People love to say you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but let's be honest... we're only human, and you can't escape the halo effect. That’s why you need to show up looking professional, know your basic etiquette, offer a firm handshake, and maintain eye contact. If you don't, you've lost before you've even started. Besides, most studies show that what employers value above everything else is pure MOTIVATION.

You're right; that's how most people choose, but it doesn't surprise me at all that some companies end up collapsing because of it. As long as style is prioritized over substance, they aren't going to last.

I saw this firsthand at my old company. They didn't trust anyone with much responsibility, so as the youngest, I was sent to proctor technical exams rather than psychological ones. Not once did they hire someone based on actual expertise. 🙄 When you spend a few hours watching people work through problems, observe their attitude, and grade their responses, it’s incredibly easy to tell who is just a poser, who actually knows their stuff, who is resourceful, and who is insecure.

As for who actually got called back for interviews, I couldn't say. I wasn't there for that part. I don't know if it was all about connections or if management is simply so inept that they pick whoever performs best in a social setting instead of who has the skills. But I can tell you that looks matter immensely; whenever a good-looking candidate walked in, the women in the office would start campaigning for them to be hired immediately.😁
Nathan Kelly5 Nathan Kelly5 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#16 ·
Kyle Lee7 said:I’ve hired several people over the last few years, and honestly, I’ve been happy with everyone I’ve brought on board.

The first thing you look at is whether they actually know how to do the job—do they have the right qualifications, the experience, or at least the genuine potential to learn the ropes?

That’s just the baseline requirement. When it comes down to picking the final candidate, that’s where personality takes over. And I don't mean grilling them with a checklist of "five strengths and five weaknesses." Instead, I prefer to just sit down and have a conversation—often over coffee. We start with technical topics and then naturally drift into more casual territory, talking about their interests or what they do outside of work. I make sure to participate too, so it doesn't feel like a police interrogation.

Once you observe someone and they finally start to relax, their true self really comes through.

For me, the most important things were finding someone who was grounded, easygoing, and confident. I look for people who communicate easily, show real initiative, stay positive, and demonstrate a certain level of maturity.

I won't get into the smaller details, since those vary depending on the industry.

As for faking it, giving rehearsed answers, or putting on a polished act: please don't.
Anyone with even a shred of intuition will see right through you in a heartbeat.

Whatever role you’re applying for, you need to do your homework on what the requirements are. If you aren't a fit, don't pretend to be—even if you do get the job, you're only doing yourself a disservice in the long run. Just be honest.
If you haven't put in the effort to research everything possible before the interview, and reflected on why you actually want to work there and what you expect from the role, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously?

Even the title of your thread gives it away—what is it that an employer wants to hear?
It sounds like you think you can just tell someone exactly what they want to hear, regardless of whether it's true. That’s actually quite condescending toward a potential employer, and it doesn't fly with us.
A better approach would be to ask the employer what they specifically need to know.

The relationship between an employer and an employee isn't a one-way street. You have every right to expect respect, appreciation, and fair treatment, but the same standard applies to you.

Well, it is telling; it speaks volumes about employers. If actual expertise were prioritized over optics or pseudo-psychology, this wouldn't even be a conversation, right?🙂

My advice to anyone who can afford it is to just be themselves—be whoever you are and whoever you feel comfortable being. Don't fake it, provided you have the breathing room to do so, given the current job market in the US. Some people will appreciate your actual character, and you'll be able to show up as your true self. I suppose a little extra professionalism doesn't hurt, but some people play the part so poorly that it backfires; at my last two companies, three women had complete mental breakdowns because of it. Look, the pressure is intense, but if you lack the backbone to handle things when they hit the fan at work—where expectations are naturally higher—you aren't going to get far. Trying to say "yes" to everything and pretending to be perfect until you eventually snap isn't sustainable. Just be yourself, speak your mind, and call it a day.
Kyle Lee7 Kyle Lee7 Active Member
149 messages
joined Nov 2007
#17 ·
Nathan Kelly5 said:Well, it is telling; it speaks volumes about employers. If actual expertise were prioritized over optics or pseudo-psychology, this wouldn't even be a conversation, right?🙂

My advice to anyone who can afford it is to just be themselves—be whoever you are and whoever you feel comfortable being. Don't fake it, provided you have the breathing room to do so, given the current job market in the US. Some people will appreciate your actual character, and you'll be able to show up as your true self. I suppose a little extra professionalism doesn't hurt, but some people play the part so poorly that it backfires; at my last two companies, three women had complete mental breakdowns because of it. Look, the pressure is intense, but if you lack the backbone to handle things when they hit the fan at work—where expectations are naturally higher—you aren't going to get far. Trying to say "yes" to everything and pretending to be perfect until you eventually snap isn't sustainable. Just be yourself, speak your mind, and call it a day.

Actually, I don't think it reflects the employers themselves, but rather the perception people have of them.

That being said, if you're looking at a massive government agency or a huge bureaucracy—well, I won't even go there because those places are driven by red tape and endless formalities.

But when you're dealing with a private company, where you actually need someone competent to get the job done properly—that's different. You want someone who actually knows their stuff and wants to work, and honestly, you can't fake your way through that for long.
What kind of manager would I be if I hired someone based on an act, only to realize they're incompetent and end up having to do two people's jobs myself?
Michael Miller39 Michael Miller39 Member
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joined Jun 2003
#18 ·
James Rogers4 said:It feels like you're subtly looking for an answer from an employer, so let me help you out..

- someone who is ready to get their work done on time and with a smile
- someone who lifts the group's mood and stays positive and helpful
- someone who doesn't start asking about vacation days after just one week
- someone who doesn't ask for a raise a month after starting
- someone who doesn't take maternity leave three months after being hired

And finally, most importantly—someone who provides a return on investment.
In other words, any employer who sees you as someone capable of generating twice the revenue they spend on you will welcome you with open arms.

All these questions about strengths and weaknesses are mostly nonsense; nobody actually cares. Everyone just wants results and a solid ROI, because employees are essentially investments.

Because of that, you should craft a pitch that convinces an employer you'll be the one driving their profits, in exchange for a stable role and a steady paycheck.

Just as an example, if you had spent the last week analyzing my company, showed up to the interview, explained exactly why you're there, why you want to work for my firm, and how you contribute to my overall vision while guaranteeing you'll pay for yourself, I would have hired you on the spot.

That’s why people in marketing, sales, and management tend to do better in the job market—they provide a quick return on investment.

Please... what kind of elite executive role are we talking about here where you can just double a company's revenue?

James Rogers4 said:It feels like you're subtly looking for an answer from an employer, so let me help you out..

- someone who is ready to get their work done on time and with a smile
- someone who lifts the group's mood and stays positive and helpful
- someone who doesn't start asking about vacation days after just one week
- someone who doesn't ask for a raise a month after starting
- someone who doesn't take maternity leave three months after being hired

And finally, most importantly—someone who provides a return on investment.
In other words, any employer who sees you as someone capable of generating twice the revenue they spend on you will welcome you with open arms.

All these questions about strengths and weaknesses are mostly nonsense; nobody actually cares. Everyone just wants results and a solid ROI, because employees are essentially investments.

Because of that, you should craft a pitch that convinces an employer you'll be the one driving their profits, in exchange for a stable role and a steady paycheck.

Just as an example, if you had spent the last week analyzing my company, showed up to the interview, explained exactly why you're there, why you want to work for my firm, and how you contribute to my overall vision while guaranteeing you'll pay for yourself, I would have hired you on the spot.

That’s why people in marketing, sales, and management tend to do better in the job market—they provide a quick return on investment.

So, I assume what you're trying to say with these quotes is: if I prove my value immediately, you'll take me.

Let's be real. That's not how it works. In large corporations where everyone has a "big idea," it's nearly impossible to break through unless you're already high up the ladder. American management is notoriously arrogant; they don't listen to the little guy with a great concept. A "big idea" only gets sold by someone with the right pedigree or status. The only places where a regular employee actually gets heard are at companies like Zuckerberg's or perhaps a small startup.

James Rogers4 said:It feels like you're subtly looking for an answer from an employer, so let me help you out..

- someone who is ready to get their work done on time and with a smile
- someone who lifts the group's mood and stays positive and helpful
- someone who doesn't start asking about vacation days after just one week
- someone who doesn't ask for a raise a month after starting
- someone who doesn't take maternity leave three months after being hired

And finally, most importantly—someone who provides a return on investment.
In other words, any employer who sees you as someone capable of generating twice the revenue they spend on you will welcome you with open arms.

All these questions about strengths and weaknesses are mostly nonsense; nobody actually cares. Everyone just wants results and a solid ROI, because employees are essentially investments.

Because of that, you should craft a pitch that convinces an employer you'll be the one driving their profits, in exchange for a stable role and a steady paycheck.

Just as an example, if you had spent the last week analyzing my company, showed up to the interview, explained exactly why you're there, why you want to work for my firm, and how you contribute to my overall vision while guaranteeing you'll pay for yourself, I would have hired you on the spot.

That’s why people in marketing, sales, and management tend to do better in the job market—they provide a quick return on investment.

Sure, they sell themselves well, and that's where it ends. They look good on paper, while their bosses assume they can't do any better. Managers I know who actually understand their craft perform far worse than those just climbing the corporate ladder. It's common knowledge that most managers are just dead weight.

Finally, HR management is incredibly amateurish, relying on a handful of basic seminars... basically just sitting there listening or sleeping. Anyone with enough confidence and charisma can call themselves a manager. And they do, but they aren't increasing the company's bottom line.
Kyle Lee7 Kyle Lee7 Active Member
149 messages
joined Nov 2007
#19 ·
Michael Miller39 said:Please... what kind of elite executive role are we talking about here where you can just double a company's revenue?

So, I assume what you're trying to say with these quotes is: if I prove my value immediately, you'll take me.

Let's be real. That's not how it works. In large corporations where everyone has a "big idea," it's nearly impossible to break through unless you're already high up the ladder. American management is notoriously arrogant; they don't listen to the little guy with a great concept. A "big idea" only gets sold by someone with the right pedigree or status. The only places where a regular employee actually gets heard are at companies like Zuckerberg's or perhaps a small startup.

Sure, they sell themselves well, and that's where it ends. They look good on paper, while their bosses assume they can't do any better. Managers I know who actually understand their craft perform far worse than those just climbing the corporate ladder. It's common knowledge that most managers are just dead weight.

Finally, HR management is incredibly amateurish, relying on a handful of basic seminars... basically just sitting there listening or sleeping. Anyone with enough confidence and charisma can call themselves a manager. And they do, but they aren't increasing the company's bottom line.

Where exactly in his post did you see him saying she needs to double the firm's total revenue?😕
The guy actually wrote that she should bring in twice what they pay her in salary—and doubling your own paycheck is definitely not the same thing as doubling the company's entire revenue. 😉
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Kyle Lee7 said:Actually, I don't think it reflects the employers themselves, but rather the perception people have of them.

That being said, if you're looking at a massive government agency or a huge bureaucracy—well, I won't even go there because those places are driven by red tape and endless formalities.

But when you're dealing with a private company, where you actually need someone competent to get the job done properly—that's different. You want someone who actually knows their stuff and wants to work, and honestly, you can't fake your way through that for long.
What kind of manager would I be if I hired someone based on an act, only to realize they're incompetent and end up having to do two people's jobs myself?

So that explains why most people around here land jobs through "referrals"—which is really just a polite way of saying "who you know." It might be slightly less common in the private sector than in government agencies, but it’s certainly more prevalent in domestic companies compared to major US corporations. That says quite a bit on its own.

America is only just beginning its transition from a capital-driven economy to a knowledge-based one—a shift the developed world completed roughly seventeen years ago. Most employers aren't intentionally sabotaging their own success; rather, they are doing so unconsciously. Because a vast majority lack the necessary educational foundation, they remain oblivious to the true value of human capital. They simply don't realize the damage they're causing.

Do you realize that the first major studies on how human factors drive corporate productivity were conducted in the U.S. between 1927 and 1932? It’s striking that while Americans were uncovering these insights nearly a century ago, we didn't even begin to consider them until after the fall of communism—and even then, only really within the last decade. It feels like we're still struggling to accept what they realized eighty years ago. There is still this prevailing mindset here that people naturally dislike working or avoiding responsibility, so why bother giving them autonomy or influence? Instead, the standard practice remains rooted in rigid hierarchies and micromanagement, attempting to force execution through strict control rather than engagement.

Please don't try to tell me otherwise. I’ve spent the last four years auditing domestic companies, and I can tell you that management incompetence here has reached an entirely new dimension. It's honestly tragic; most people who actually know what they're doing lack any real leverage because, in this country, the line between executive roles and ownership is far too blurred.

Here is a fresh example where anonymity is guaranteed, but let’s assume we are talking about one of those big-name corporations. Loans are maturing in foreign currency while leasing payments come in in USD, leading to millions in losses. You point out the discrepancy, but they aren't exactly eager to fix it. What else is there to say about the American economy? They won't risk their massive profits by simply correcting the books, and frankly, the human element seems pretty insignificant to them at that scale. I'll give credit where it's due—there are exceptions, of course, as there are still capable and driven employers in this country—but they represent a tiny fraction. In many ways, incompetence is just synonymous with how business is done here. And it isn't even strictly a mindset issue; looking at how much more efficient the Canadians are compared to us tells you everything you need to know. Look at how they handled the fallout when Walmart faced restructuring issues; it was obvious that any major player would try to dominate the market, which would naturally shake up the local food industry. Instead, we tend to hand over advantages that allow outsiders to dismantle us rather than trying to protect our own interests.

Everything I’ve laid out just highlights how nonsensical modern hiring practices have become. Take my old firm, for example: we had a guy who crushed every technical assessment we threw at him, yet they passed on him simply because he showed up to the interview in jeans. They viewed it as a lack of discipline. It’s absurd. About thirty years ago, a major study was conducted—one that most people here wouldn't be familiar with—analyzing the common traits of about 40 of the most successful long-term corporations. One key finding was that these companies actually tolerated eccentricity over rigid discipline. Yet today, companies hire based on sheer self-confidence, charisma, and "personality" rather than actual expertise. The root cause is pure arrogance. Managers are so convinced of their own abilities that they prioritize hiring people who are easy to manage and delegate to. It’s a total failure, and frankly, it feels like we're sliding thirty or forty years backward.

I won't even begin to explain how little they actually understand about employee motivation. The most basic rule when dealing with people on a manufacturing floor is simple: don't drown them in unproductive busywork, like endless administrative reports and such. Yet, 90% of employers do exactly that—mostly because they lack the insight, and frankly, they aren't even trying to find it. We could go on about this for days...

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