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Is obvious trolling by a deranged Russophile considered hate speech?

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Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active MemberOP
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joined Apr 2018
#1 ·
The user Jesse Price, who has spent months on this forum making excuses for the Russian invasion of Ukraine—effectively justifying the destruction and crimes committed by the Russians every single day—decided to chime in on my post today.

Unfortunately, the moderator wiped the entire thread, so I can't provide a link here. But in response to my sarcastic comment, Jesse Price claimed that I actually support "Ukrainian Nazism." Just to give you an idea, here are a few snippets from this user's previous posts:
Jesse Price said:Biden and Soros represent the satanic deep state.

Jesse Price said:The truth hurts. These aren't conspiracy theories; they are proven facts. COVID-19 was created in a lab, the West staged a coup in Ukraine to install a Nazi government at the helm, and Zelenskyy was put there by Americans to provoke a war in Ukraine and drag all of Europe into a conflict against Russia.

Jesse Price said:Putin is fighting against the dark forces. Trump has been sidelined; he just tucked his tail and left.

Currently, Putin is the only barrier against the evil deep state, which is primarily responsible for the war in Ukraine.

Jesse Price said:The Russians figured them out; they knew there were plenty of American labs scattered across Ukraine. Now everyone is wondering why they needed Ukraine so badly. It's because Ukraine sits right in the belly of Russia and Belarus. Is there any better place to launch biological weapons against Russia? Hardly.

We don't even realize what's truly happening behind this war yet. This is just the beginning of something much worse and more dangerous.

...and so on. Instead of resorting to the insults I'd normally throw his way, I responded with sarcasm, since having a serious conversation with someone like this is clearly a lost cause:
You’ve got me all wrong... I’m not exactly rooting for Ukraine. There’s just too much mixing going on, and they have a Jew leading the charge. Disgusting.

Azov :flop: Wagner 🔝

I have to admit, when someone labels a country that was invaded—a country that actually elected a Jew through democratic elections—as Nazi, while simultaneously making excuses for a dictatorship fueled by expansionism and genocide, it’s a little hard for me to keep my cool.

driftingtinker—who has already handed me partial bans on two different subforums (the Ukraine War and Military history), probably because I was being a bit too harsh on the Russophiles justifying this invasion of Ukraine—clearly knows exactly where I stand. Back then, I got hit with those bans without much of a debate, which felt a bit insulting. Now, even sarcasm isn't working.

If I’m going to get a ban, just give it to me for trolling, because I haven't committed any hate speech.
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
372 messages
joined Jan 2019
#2 ·
You didn't go with my suggestion on the partial regarding Ukraine, and I think you know that deep down. My take on VPiT is what it is, and I’ve put a hell of a lot of work behind it. As for the hate speech thing... look, I’ve always been a bit blunt, but you clearly took that last warning the wrong way—it was honestly just sarcasm.
Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active MemberOP
112 messages
joined Apr 2018
#3 ·
driftingtinker said:You know perfectly well that you didn't get what you wanted from my proposal regarding the partials in Ukraine.

I'm not sure. I just opened it. Temu. Regarding that matter, I still haven't received an answer. I assumed it was you, given that you've been acting pretty shady toward me from the very beginning.

driftingtinker said:I put a lot of work into my VPiT posts, so I stand by what I wrote. You’ve always had a bit of a knack for hate speech, but you clearly misread my last warning—it was actually meant to be sarcasm.

The first hate speech citation—a Trump supporter gets killed, and because I wrote "one less idiot," it’s suddenly a crime. If an obsessed fan of a local politician lost their head and I responded with the exact same phrase, would that be considered hate speech? You know it wouldn't. We both know this isn't hate speech, nor does it incite violence against anyone.

Another hate speech strike—apparently. I argued that the killing of George Floyd wasn't some grand manifestation of systemic racism, but rather the result of a single officer acting recklessly in a situation Floyd himself escalated. I also noted that my lack of sympathy stems from the fact that he broke into a pregnant woman's home and pointed a gun at her stomach.

This third strike against me is just as baseless as the others; my entire posting history makes it obvious that I’m not trolling. My sarcasm is simply tailored to whoever I'm talking to. Given that I’m well aware of the types who constantly bring up Soros and all those conspiracy theorists, it's pretty clear that many of them are driven by antisemitism. In fact, at this point, any support for Russia could honestly be classified as hate speech against Ukrainians.

Look, I wasn't exactly expecting an honest review from you anyway, so I’d honestly prefer if one of your colleagues took a look at this instead.
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
372 messages
joined Jan 2019
#4 ·
That’s just not true. I already broke down why you got banned over the Ukraine thing, and honestly, it was a consensus among all the political mods. As for me? You got hit with a hate speech charge on the US sub for this:
"You, (list of forum usernames), and people like you aren't just trash—you're just hopelessly, fundamentally stupid subhumans. You're basically a lower species by every possible metric, and if we actually had any survival instinct left, people like you would have been purged from society long ago. There’s a limit to how much optimism a rational person can maintain when trying to have an informed debate with minds this primitive and warped. Eventually, you realize nothing matters anymore—not the arguments, not the evidence, not even experience. It’s just brute force at that point.

And clearly, that was sarcasm, which you somehow managed to miss by a mile.

That’s all I’ve got to say.
Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active MemberOP
112 messages
joined Apr 2018
#5 ·
driftingtinker said:That's not true. I already explained the situation regarding the ban on Ukraine to you, and you agreed to it with the consensus of all the politics mods.

When exactly did you explain that to me? Even now, I have no idea which specific post led to a partial ban regarding the war in Ukraine, because I never received any notification about it.

driftingtinker said:From my side, you got flagged for hate speech on the USA 27.5. thread for this:

And that was clearly sarcasm, for which you actually got off easy.

That's all from me.

I actually received that warning from you for "insulting forum members," not for "hate speech"—you can go check. It was an honest reaction; I deserved the warning, so I didn't bother defending myself, complaining, or filing an appeal.

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