Let's talk about erasing things

Greetings to all our regular visitors here on the forum! 👋

So, here’s how the whole thing unfolds...

One beautiful day, an anonymous registered user on the NBC forums happened to stumble upon an article online. This wasn't just some journalist spinning yarns out of sheer boredom, either; rather, the piece was actually rooted in genuine scientific research. The content struck such a chord with our unnamed user—feeling both incredibly fascinating and just the right amount of provocative—that they felt compelled to spark a brand-new discussion about it here.

NBC doesn't typically make a habit of starting new threads, mostly because they aren't usually looking for everyone's input on every little thing, so it’s actually quite hard to remember when they last kicked off a discussion. They tend to only step in and open a topic when they feel there is a genuine message worth sharing or something meaningful that we can all learn from together, don't you think?

Here is a truly scandalous point from an article that NBC decided to open a discussion about:

● Is it possible that there is a physiological connection between the type of adult content men consume and their actual biological output? Some people have been suggesting that men who watch gay pornography might actually produce a higher volume of semen, though I wonder if there is any real scientific basis to support such a claim?
Have you ever wondered if our subconscious drives are more powerful than we realize? Recent studies have suggested an intriguing connection between visual stimuli and biological responses, specifically noting that men who watch content featuring two men and one woman—or even exclusively male-centered adult content—actually produce higher sperm counts compared to those watching traditional heterosexual videos or solo female performers. It makes one wonder, doesn't it? Researchers believe this phenomenon might be rooted in deep-seated evolutionary mechanics, potentially linked to an innate, competitive drive among males to maximize reproductive potential. Isn't it fascinating how much our primal instincts might still be pulling the strings behind the scenes?

Oh yes, you hit the nail on the head—this is definitely a topic for hazelnut lovers. But strangely enough, NBC actually posted it under their pets section!
Oh, come on now, that was just a joke! The whole topic was actually started over on Hazelnut.

So, there was actually a wonderful opportunity for us to keep this conversation going with plenty of cheer and positivity for nearly twenty-four hours... until an unnamed moderator decided to wake up on the wrong side of the bed around 1:00 PM—right about the same time I did—and, with a sense of utter disdain, simply erased the entire thread. 😕

NBC doesn't have a clue who they're actually dealing with, and honestly, aren't they just kidding themselves? What on earth are you even talking about? Honestly, is she really under the impression that's how things work?I sent a quick note over to one of the regulars on Hazelnut, someone I occasionally exchange messages with, even if it's just every once in a while. She told me she wasn't quite sure why the thread had been erased, but suggested that it might be best for everyone to just reach out to the moderators directly to ask for an explanation. She seemed quite confident that whoever decided to wipe the post would eventually get back to us with a reason. As for NBC, they weren't particularly interested in getting dragged into an unproductive side conversation via private messages with the person who deleted it, so they decided to leave it alone.

For those who might still be a little confused—though I truly hope there aren't many of you left in that boat—NBC stands for me, Benjamin Palmer40. Yes, that’s exactly who I am! 😲

Let’s get straight to the point:

Is it just me, or does a policy that allows for the deletion of threads simply because they aren't blatant spam or illegal under American law feel a bit misplaced? Doesn't such a practice suggest that we are dealing more with the casual chatter of a local neighborhood bulletin board rather than the atmosphere of a truly serious, high-level forum?
Has anyone else ever experienced that moment when a serious discussion on a major forum suddenly hits a dead end because the topic gets locked? It’s always such a curious phenomenon to witness, isn't it? You’re right in the middle of a deep dive, everyone is engaging, and then—poof—the thread is gone, leaving nothing behind but a brief note from a moderator explaining exactly why they had to shut it down. Does it ever feel like the conversation was just getting started?

Of course, it seems much more sensible this way—unless, of course, there is some compelling reason to suggest otherwise?
Wouldn't it be a lovely gesture if the moderator would simply send a private message explaining the reasoning behind this decision, especially if they feel a bit too self-conscious to address the matter publicly on the forum?

Is there something I might have missed regarding this topic?
I might have actually understood why they decided to erase this, if only I had opened the thread on a National Geographic forum instead of here on Hazelnut, where you stumble upon topics that completely blow your mind and then just slip right out of your head.
To be honest, I find myself doubting that anyone would ever dream of erasing a thread like this on a forum of this caliber; after all, isn't there a certain level of respect earned when a discussion is firmly rooted in actual natural science?

I wonder, what exactly is the core of the issue here?

Is it possible that the folks over at NBC aren't exactly thrilled with what those scientific studies are turning up?

Was NBC a bit disappointed that there were hardly any homophobic outbursts to go around, and that the discussion actually managed to stay civil and normal for once?

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Oh da, evo izvornog članka:

I’d like to offer a sincere apology in advance for the link I’m about to share; please believe me when I say it isn't my intention to cause anyone any trouble or discomfort. Could there be anything more exhilarating than a sudden, unexpected discovery? It truly makes one wonder how many secrets are still waiting to be uncovered right beneath our feet. I wonder if anyone else has been spending quite a bit of time lately scrolling through the latest headlines on CNN? It truly feels like there is always something new to discover when you dive into the news cycle, doesn't it? Could one ever truly find a way to escape? Welcome to the forum. 🙂

And while we are on the subject of erasing content, I intend to draft a comprehensive thread regarding this matter once my schedule permits, but for now, I will simply note that such deletions occur with alarming frequency and intention, effectively scrubbing any evidence of moderator misconduct against us regular users. And then, quite predictably, when one approaches the administrator to report a moderator's behavior, the administrator demands that we provide proof...😲

And why wouldn't there be a designated trash bin for discarded posts, serving as tangible evidence when one needs to file a formal appeal against a moderator? I mean, if we are being asked to provide proof and logical arguments when contesting a moderator's decision... if that isn't the case, and if we are expected to assume that moderators are infallible, then there truly is no point in asking us for arguments at all...

hollowtrucker77 said:this time the admin's probably gonna ask what sperm production has to do with the hazelnut subforum??
it's literally the mods' job to clean up their own sections and get rid of stuff that doesn't belong there

I'm with you. Since we're talking about a "phenomenon tied to male competition regarding reproductive capabilities," it really belongs over in the "other sport" section.

hollowtrucker77 said:Jason Clark7, then a man comes along and says, "I lost my thread..."
The administrator or moderator ought to utilize their psychological intuition to discern which topics are unfolding, precisely when they occur, and where...
If everyone were permitted to post whatever they wanted, wherever they pleased, then there would be absolutely no need for moderators at all...
No, if you would just take a moment to examine the unmoderated forums, it would become instantly apparent that they truly are...

We certainly require moderators, just as we require these forums even more; they enhance our experience in many positive ways, yet the core issue remains that moderators ought to be treated with a level of respect that honors our very attempt to gather here and grow together...

The fact that you all struggle to locate erased content only reinforces my suggestion... we should establish a dedicated "Trash" (or "Archived") thread where we can provide direct links whenever we submit an appeal...

And so they have arrived on the Tekoa thread... Erased... Two introductory posts, which I was required to follow... Twenty-four hours of silence... I find myself having to ask once again, yet even today, I still cannot quite grasp the meaning... Why... And once again, it turns out they were supposedly "off." To be honest, I stepped away from this forum for three or four months because of how Shady handles his bans and strikes. It is my custom that when I return, I stop by Tekoa to say hello, which is perfectly normal behavior in real life... yet my first interaction after such a long absence results in being erased... And now, during this latest session regarding Shady's improper moderation, there is a constant demand for evidence, even though that very evidence vanishes whenever a moderator decides to erase...

I am writing all of this solely in the hope that this forum can become a dignified space for our online community... I truly hold no personal animosity toward anyone here...

hollowtrucker77 said:this time the admin is going to ask what sperm production has to do with the hazelnut subforum??

Oh, I really didn't pose that question myself, did I? Let's find out together.

To start things off, the subforum is called hazelnut: that isn't a translation for some kind of linden tree, but rather an acronym for love, eroticism, and sex.

The core sentence—the actual topic here—is this:

"Men who watch gay porn produce more sperm" (Highlighted just to make those key terms pop)

Shall we play a little game of hot or cold?

Is watching porn connected to eroticism and sex? Is sperm production linked to sex and consuming erotic material? Is getting aroused by watching gay porn related to our hazelnut section? Am I getting warm? I would say—it's getting quite hot!

Aside from being hot, hot, it deals with something I suspect very few people actually know, which makes the subject matter much more intriguing.

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Then again, there are topics that truly have nothing to do with the hazelnut section, yet they remain here regardless. For instance... how much does a thread about sexual assault relate to this specific subforum? Am I close? Cold. Now we are rapidly approaching absolute zero. Bones are turning into ice cream. The sun is becoming an icy sphere. We are nearing absolute zero. The laws of physics are simply breaking down.

Jason Clark7 said:Look, we clearly need moderators—and frankly, we need these forums even more. They provide a massive upgrade to the experience in so many positive ways—but here’s the real issue: if we’re going to make this community work, the moderators need to be treated with a level of respect that actually reflects our collective effort to gather and grow here. Is it really too much to ask for that?

The fact that you guys are all struggling to track down erased posts actually supports my argument—which is why I’m pushing for a dedicated "Trash" (or "Deleted") thread. We need a central hub where we can actually drop links when we're filing an objection. Wouldn't that make things a hell of a lot easier?

So, this is what I’m getting on the Tekoa thread. Erased. Two introductory posts—which I was forced to write immediately afterward. Twenty-four hours of silence. Is that really what we're doing now? I’ll ask again—because frankly, I still don't get it. Why? Seriously, why? So, once again, it turns out they were supposedly "off." Honestly, I walked away from this forum for three or four months because of how Shady handles his bans and strikes—it was becoming impossible. When I come back after a long break, my custom is to drop in and say hello at Tekoa, which is perfectly normal behavior in the real world. Yet, here we are: my first interaction after a long absence results in being erased... And during this latest session regarding Shady’s blatant moderator misconduct, they keep demanding "proof"—even though that very proof keeps vanishing whenever a moderator decides to erase things.

I’m laying all of this out because I genuinely want this forum to be a decent place for us to hang out online—seriously, I don't have a single personal problem with anyone here.

Look, let’s just drop the whole thing about leaving the former moderator alone—as much as you disagree with him, that isn't what this is about (though, in this specific instance, his expertise is clearly lacking). I’m actually glad you decided to speak up here; as a moderator myself, I also have a vested interest in making sure certain things finally get cleared up.
You're the one who wrote those two deleted posts on the thread: "Tekoa—if I'm interpreting this correctly—is the meeting spot for the Muslim forum members."
Let’s stick to the facts:

The topic at hand—which you can find detailed within the attached PDF—is the fact that there aren't any religiously or nationally isolated enclaves to be found here. Is it really that hard to grasp? The data is right there.Every single person on this forum has full access—which means anyone can jump in and post whenever they feel like it.
Look, this is an American forum, and the official language here is English—though we obviously assume everyone can follow along with similar dialects.
So, how is it that you—and a good portion of the other Muslims here—constantly pepper your posts with these Arabic and Turkish loanwords? Even in those posts of yours that have been erased, the pattern is clear. To the vast majority of the rest of us on this forum, it’s just plain incomprehensible—and I’m not even talking about your religious greetings.
Your posts are becoming completely incomprehensible to anyone on this forum who hasn't already memorized everything mentioned above. Seriously—how is anyone supposed to follow this?
It seems to me—and I say this quite deliberately—that you’re intentionally shutting people out of the Tekoa. By using translations alongside specific terms, Shady has actually proven that it’s entirely possible to write in a way that remains accessible to anyone who might want to join the conversation at Tekoa. Why make things more difficult than they need to be?
I personally believe that basic etiquette—whether you're engaging in international diplomacy, religious discourse, or just everyday personal interactions—requires a certain level of decorum from everyone, including you Muslims. And before anyone tries to spin this as intolerance toward Muslims—please, don't even go there; I'm certainly not looking for any reciprocal hostility here.

If my interpretation turns out to be wrong—and if the administration actually steps in to correct me—then fine. I’ll bring your posts back into the light, and I’ll even issue you a public apology.
Since I can't provide a link to the post that was erased—that's just how it works—here it is transcribed instead:

My sincere greetings to Raji—and a special shout-out to the sectarians, especially those of you who only show up when it’s convenient!
Sure, they can say "hello" all they want—it’s all just a front to shake you down for cash.

Now, I want to pose a question to everyone living in areas where these Turkish or Arabic influences aren't part of the daily vocabulary—how exactly are you all interpreting this?
As far as I can tell, this is completely off-topic.

hollowtrucker77 said:well, looks like more weirdness coming our way regarding erased threads
🙂

Especially when the mod won't even bother giving a reason why they had to erase them

Chris Peterson53 said:Let us leave the former moderator alone, and your disagreement with him is not the issue here (though in this specific instance, his expertise is certainly lacking)... I am glad you have come forward, because as a moderator myself, I also wish for certain matters to be clarified.
You wrote those two deleted posts in the thread regarding the Tekoa, if I am interpreting correctly as a meeting place for Muslim forum members.
However, the facts remain:

The topic exists within a PDF where there are no religious or national enclaves.Every member has access to it and can contribute to the same discussion.
This is an American forum, and its official language is English, though related dialects are understood by all.
Yet, as you have done in your deleted posts—and as a significant portion of other Muslims do—you utilize Arabic and Turkish loanwords that are unintelligible to the vast majority of other forum members (not including your religious greetings).
Your posts become incomprehensible to members who lack knowledge of the aforementioned terms.
In doing so, you—which I personally believe is intentional—are excluding people from the Tekoa, whereas Shady proved that one can write in a way that remains understandable to everyone wishing to participate in the Tekoa by simply using translations next to the words.
And I personally feel that the basic culture of international, religious, and personal communication requires that you Muslims behave accordingly... (and this is by no means intolerance toward Muslims, so I ask that you do not accidentally imply such a thing to me).

If my interpretation is incorrect, then the administration (my superiors) will correct me, and your posts will be brought back into the light; I would even offer you a public apology.
Since a link to the deleted post is not possible, here is the transcription:

-Special greetings to the community and greetings to the sectarians, especially the honorary ones (smiley face)
-Of course, hello to hellos and cash for the cash (smiley face)

Now I ask everyone who does not live in an area where these loanwords are common, how do you interpret this?
As I understand it, this is off-topic.

- First of all, deleting is not right; you could have issued a yellow card and explained the reasoning (deleting without a trace, explanation, or notice is everything but what you claim to stand for when you speak of the "basic culture of international, religious, and personal communication").

- And then, a secondary point, though not unimportant at all: regarding the explanation about using unknown words: "special greeting" is a very common greeting, "community" is a well-known term, "hello" is an even more well-known greeting, and "cash" is money... I suppose I am just as confused.
But what is more important than these "allegedly" unclear words is that the Tekoa itself was intended to be a somewhat internal topic. If you are proceeding from a standpoint of ambiguity, then you should have provided a translation next to the word Tekoa immediately, because I guarantee you that, say, in the rural Midwest where there are almost no dervishes, 80% of American Muslims would have no idea what a Tekoa is😲, and a very similar situation exists elsewhere.
Therefore, the title of the thread itself is unknown—you did not translate it, nor did you emphasize it in the opening post, yet we have used many larger loanwords before and they were not deleted...

Let’s be clear: moderators don't have the luxury of time to notify every single user whose post gets nuked, nor are they required to.
Whether a post should be erased depends entirely on our judgment—not the author's.
And whether or not someone gets a strike? That’s our call, too.
As for your little crusade—this constant pressure you're putting on administration to force us to keep deleted posts visible—that isn't a moderator issue. Period. Only the upper management of this forum handles proposals like that. Trying to lean on moderators to change policy is nothing more than obstructing our work.
Trying to dictate how we moderate instead of actually being a moderator... well, I think it's pretty obvious what that looks like.

Now, looking back at your post—since you decided to provide a "translation" of it here.
Given that you seem to believe only officially registered religions are "real" and everything else is just some cult (as you explicitly stated in another thread), this deleted post of yours wasn't just off-topic; it was blatantly condescending and insulting to believers outside those mainstream groups. You essentially called them mercenaries—implying they’re only posting on this forum for a paycheck.
It is incredibly easy to claim there was a "misunderstanding" between what an author intended and how their words were interpreted. Your attempt to twist the narrative right here in this PDF—accusing others of hate speech and incitement—makes your true motives perfectly evident.
The fact remains: the three of us moderators didn't see it that way.

Chris Peterson53 said:The moderators aren't obligated to notify every single author when their posts are erased, nor do they have the time to do so.
Whether a post should be removed depends entirely upon our own internal guidelines, rather than the subjective judgment of the individual author.
Deciding whether to issue a warning is also at their discretion.
As for your persistent argument—this attempt to pressure the administration into changing rules so that deleted posts remain visible—that is not within the moderators' jurisdiction. Such a proposal can only be addressed by the forum leadership. Attempting to exert pressure on the moderators is nothing more than an obstruction of their duties.
Attempting to dictate moderation policy instead of following the established roles... well, the intention there is quite obvious.

While it is true that the mods don't have any obligation or the capacity to handle everything, that doesn't serve as a valid excuse for treating forum users inhumanely, though I shall address that matter separately in a dedicated thread at another time. ☕

Now, looking back at your post, given the translation you provided here.
Considering your stance that only officially registered religions are legitimate, while all others are merely cults (as you stated in a different thread), this deleted post wasn't just off-topic; it was overtly condescending and insulting toward believers who belong to non-registered groups—regardless of how much that matters to you—because you referred to them as mercenaries, implying they are essentially being paid to post on this forum.

If we are adhering to the law, then we follow the law. What exactly are you looking for, an emotional approach to everything? 😍
So now I am being judged for labeling unregistered religious attempts as cults, yet they show no respect for us by forcing us to conform to their specific demands—so where is my freedom of religious expression if I must constantly fear someone telling me what I need or must change? 😲

And I did not label every cult member a mercenary; I specifically offered a greeting only to those who might actually be working on a contract, so let's not be dishonest 👎 and return to my original quote:

and greetings to the cultists, especially the mercenary ones.

Chris Peterson53 said:It is remarkably easy to create a misunderstanding between what an author truly intended and how their words are interpreted; it is quite evident from your interpretation right here in this thread, where you accuse and call out others for hate speech and incitement....
And yet, the three of us moderators did not reach such a conclusion...

It is quite evident how beautifully the three of you perform your duties here; it seems my introductory post is destined to be erased, while someone else's hate speech and incitement to violence remains untouched—truly marvelous...🙄

Benjamin Palmer40, what on earth possessed you to post a thread like this on the hazelnut forum!?😲
I'd say this belongs more in the Natural Science section.😁😍

You know? Human animal behavior, natural selection, fitness, sexual selection, and all that sort of thing...
.😁

Well, now that we have thoroughly exhausted all those debates regarding theory and religious dilemmas, shall we pivot our attention back toward gay adult content?

hiddensailor14 said:Benjamin Palmer40, what on earth possessed you to bring a topic like this to the hazelnut forum!?😲

I just pictured you wearing a kimono, and suddenly my mind was swirling with thoughts of love, eroticism, and intimacy. Oh boy.

Is the subject matter perhaps too "pre-scientific" for the hazelnut community? Is there truly anything wrong with exploring a topic rooted in some form of research if it touches upon ES? By presenting the actual facts, I am simply trying to save this forum from endless threads of "I don't think that's right because it isn't natural".

Besides, it really all depends on how you package the idea and frame the discussion; one could approach it from a strictly scientific perspective, or they could choose a more non-scientific route. My intention was certainly the latter.

Does anyone know how I can send a direct message to a moderator? I realize this is totally off-topic, but I just can't seem to find the option anywhere...