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Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 MemberOP
47 messages
joined Dec 2002
#1 ·
I’ve been digging through some data lately regarding Matthew Herbert—mostly because he’s rumored to be "dropping in" on the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival—and I stumbled upon something absolutely fascinating.
While his recent project, The Big Band, was a decent enough listen, he actually posted a manifesto on his own website outlining his strict philosophy for composing music, which goes something like this:
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PERSONAL CONTRACT FOR THE COMPOSITION OF MUSIC
[INCORPORATING THE MANIFESTO OF MISTAKES]
THIS IS WRITTEN FOR THE PURPOSE, NECESSITY AND DESIRE TO BE ORIGINAL AT ALL TIMES.
1. The use of sounds that exist already is not allowed. Subject to article 2. In particular:
A. No drum machines.
B. All keyboard sounds must be edited in some way: no factory presets or pre-programmed patches are allowed.
2. Only sounds that are generated at the start of the compositional process or taken from the artist's own previously unused archive are available for sampling. The use of, ordering and manipulation of noise-sound is to be held as the highest priority in composition.
3. The sampling of other people's music is strictly forbidden.
4. With the exception of The human Voice, no replication of traditional acoustic instruments is allowed where the financial and physical possibility of using the real ones exists.
5. The inclusion, development, propagation, existence, replication, acknowledgement, rights, patterns and beauty of what are commonly known as accidents, is encouraged. Furthermore, they have equal rights within the composition as deliberate, conscious, or premeditated compositional actions or decisions.
6. The mixing desk is not to be reset before the start of a new track. This is for the specific purpose of applying a random eq and fx setting across the new sounds. Once the ordering and recording of the music has begun, the desk may be used as normal.
7. All fx settings must be edited: no factory preset or pre-programmed patches are allowed.
8. Samples themselves are not to be truncated from the rear.
9. A notation of every sound used and its source to be taken and published within one year at magicandaccident.com.
10. A full description of all technical equipment used on each track to be published within one year at matthewherbert.com.
11. All samples will be deleted upon completion of the track.
12. Remixes must be completed using only the sounds provided by the original artist including any packaging the media was provided in.
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It honestly feels like a modern-day take on those old cinematic "Dogme" rules, doesn't it? Isn't it obvious that with how insanely fast music technology is moving, we're hitting this massive wall regarding copyright—where does originality end and a mere copy begin, or where does true creation stop and theft start? But if you ask me, rule number five is actually quite charming. 😁 😁
shadowgardener12 shadowgardener12 Active Member
186 messages
joined Dec 2002
#2 ·
Haha, did you hear his magicAndaccidental LP... bodily functions!? It’s the best! Jazz singing.

Not sure if I should post this here, so whatever—just try to keep it down—it's called TELEDUBGNOSIS,
and their LP is titled MAGNETIC LEARNING CENTER,
released on WORDSOUND

and it ought to be something phenomenal!

I haven't heard them myself, but the guy (Fritz Ostermayer) played them (a friend told me) (on the Graue Lagune-siva show) and I checked it out, because I know the guy has incredible musical knowledge and taste (he got me into Dr. Rockit, and before him, Herbert—you know, that phenomenal thing, Café de flora?; then the Flaming Lips way back, and a ton of other stuff...), so if he plays something, it actually means something. And this already sounds... intense... hehe. Picking it up soon, just a feeling. 😉

(Morris, if you're reading this, it's worth it for you too... even though Bush is getting what's coming to him when I get to San Diego! 😉
Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 MemberOP
47 messages
joined Dec 2002
#3 ·
Herbert's "Bodily Functions" is an absolute masterpiece!!! I've had it spinning in my CD player for months on end.😁

I was doing some digging online regarding this Teledubgnosis project, and it sounds incredibly intriguing: "Reminiscent of the 80s sonic excursions of Adrian Sherwood's On-U sound stable, with the worldliness of Bill Laswell's Material, Teledubgnosis straddles the past and the future with an organic yet tech-savvy sound comparable to none"

PS. Gilles Peterson (+ Nicola Conta) was actually here about ten days ago... so naturally, I find myself listening to one of his compilations (yet again).😎
lonebison37 lonebison37 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Aug 2003
#4 ·
Matthew is one hell of a player 😁
Man, it’s just great that you guys had to remind me about Bodily Functions again... truly a masterpiece of an album
shadowgardener12 shadowgardener12 Active Member
186 messages
joined Dec 2002
#5 ·
Giles? 😁 how was it? I think he’s at his best during a club set, but once he moves into a big hall, that energy just gets lost...!

like Lambchop - is a woman, really good, chill
Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 MemberOP
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joined Dec 2002
#6 ·
Gilles was absolutely incredible... a true summer set if I ever saw one. Nicola Conta played for about an hour, just a smooth little warm-up... and then Gilles took over for three straight hours!! He cycled through every single one of his signature subgenres: nu jazz, bossa, lounge—all mixed together in these wild combinations. He pulled quite a few tracks from the Future Sounds of Jazz Vol 9 compilation; I’m not sure if you’ve ever listened to it, but it’s absolute Compost classics. 😎 There was that massive hit Hird f. Yukimi Nagano - "Keep You Kimi"... and he even dropped a block featuring Nina Simone and Sarah Vaughan back-to-back.
The venue itself was a bit underwhelming, honestly, kind of felt like some random backyard garden... but hey, at least it was outdoors so it wasn't a total disaster... it was such a vibe when the sun started coming up while Gilles was still absolutely tearing it up 😁 😁
A Anonymous Veteran
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#7 ·
Huh, I feel like Herbert is a bit overrated.

Anyway, does Gilles have anything of his own out? 😁
shadowgardener12 shadowgardener12 Active Member
186 messages
joined Dec 2002
#8 ·
Matthew Herbert is a genius. Giles isn't quite doing the same thing, but he built the scene, acid jazz, and he’s got the Talking Loud label.

Which Yukimi Nagano? The one from Ninth Wave? She's incredible.

And anyway, TeleDubGnosis is a project from the former drummer of Swans, who apparently was also in Prong. The name sounded a bit familiar... heard something yesterday and haha, I can't believe the Swans vibe is going to haunt me. If you listen closely, you can tell—pretty dark stuff... perfect for driving late at night 😉 😁 😁
shadowgardener12 shadowgardener12 Active Member
186 messages
joined Dec 2002
#9 ·
Speaking of Giles, you can still hear WorldWide in his
show... maybe I'll catch him at South by Southwest..👍 or maybe Trüby has taken over by now? Anyway, last time he played, he had DJ Gregory on, who was spinning some mix of his own, and then Giles closed things out with something totally otherworldly

Gal Costa - 'Team Das Onze' (Fontana) 🙏 🙏

sounded just like those Brazilian spiritual tracks 🙂
shadowgardener12 shadowgardener12 Active Member
186 messages
joined Dec 2002
#10 ·
gotta say... Björk live, and on WorldWide too... nice...
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#11 ·
I actually had the chance to catch him live for about 12 bucks yesterday, but I decided to head to another event that seemed more my style, and honestly, I didn't regret it at the time. But now? I feel like a total idiot because I missed South by Southwest last night... if I'd only known, I would've stayed an extra day.
Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 MemberOP
47 messages
joined Dec 2002
#12 ·
And here is what Gilles himself posted on his own site:

I've just played ten different cities in two weeks. All the dates were great, but it was the travelling... I had a completely mad, offbeat journey from Mexico to Finland.
My gig at the Skopje jazz festival ended at 5:30 am before i was rushed to a waiting car which drove me for six hours to Sofia in Bulgaria over the mountains and into Poland... This was so I could catch a plane from Warsaw Airport for a gig the next night in Helsinki... The whole journey took longer than a flight from London to Tokyo. The highlight of the tour though was definitely Belgrade in Mexico / Mexico. Good vibes indeed. It's all happening over there.


👋 👋 👋
Alex Ramirez12 Alex Ramirez12 Member
16 messages
joined Dec 2002
#13 ·
😉

- Casey Palmer5- what? You were in Barcelona and didn't even know about South by Southwest!? Giles, Herbert, Björk.. all in one.... oh man...
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
470 messages
joined Jan 2016
#14 ·
I knew about it, but I’d already booked my plane ticket back in March, way before I even heard about South by Southwest... Man, what a bummer. I wasn't exactly looking to hitchhike all the way home just to make it to the festival. Plus, the entry fee is 100 euros.
Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 MemberOP
47 messages
joined Dec 2002
#15 ·
Just wanted to check in and report back—I caught The Matthew Herbert Big band live last night... and honestly, I am completely floored! What on earth is that guy doing on stage?! You’ve got this massive brass section of about ten musicians, a drummer, a conductor(!?), the vocalist Dan Siciliano, and then him, surrounded by all sorts of strange little "gadgets." Following those rules he mentioned earlier, there’s this one microphone set off to the side where one of the performers steps up before every single track to make a specific sound for Herbert to sample. At one point, it was the sound of someone tearing up a newspaper, then a bit later, the sharp click of a camera flash, and finally, Dan gave a short vocal snippet that just swirls through The Audience, which actually became the single alongside Bodily Functions.
Herbert is absolutely hyperactive; his fingers are moving at such an incredible speed, hitting buttons on these machines, playing a melody on the keys only to immediately sample it and run it through a gauntlet of effects. The horn section really softens the edges of his experiments... the whole thing just feels absolutely seamless!!
It’s official: Matthew Herbert is a genius. (period)
Michael Mitchell Michael Mitchell Newcomer
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joined Oct 2004
#16 ·
man, Herbert is god tier, obviously.

looking for more of his stuff... i've got Bodily Functions and Secondhand Sounds, so if anyone has other albums (especially Around the House and that one with the Big band) hit me up via PM for a trade. hope so.
shadowgardener12 shadowgardener12 Active Member
186 messages
joined Dec 2002
#17 ·
I've got all of it!
except for that stuff mentioned above 😁 😁 - round da house, because it's house, and the big band stuff because it leans a bit too much into hip-hop.

like Red Snapper - Crusoe takes a trip (john mcentire - tortoise mix)
just pure geniuses.
Thomas Diaz6 Thomas Diaz6 Member
13 messages
joined Mar 2004
#18 ·
Herbert is alright. I caught his set with the big band and found the whole experience a bit too trippy for my taste. However, that track where Verme remixed 2 is 🙏
In any case, I would certainly go see him if he were performing anywhere nearby, and I am quite eager to hear that house album of his eventually.
Tyler Grant76 Tyler Grant76 Active Member
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joined May 2009
#19 ·
Herbert is a true master. His music is just so layered; I feel like you can listen to it over and over and still catch something new. I hadn't heard of Manifesto before, so thanks to the OP for clearing things up for me 🙂
lonebison37 lonebison37 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2003
#20 ·
Herbert really should have just called it quits right after Bodily Functions. That was the absolute peak of his career, the mountaintop, and he should've just stayed there...
And this latest stuff—this unnecessary history of Doctor Rockit—it honestly feels like he’s just spinning his wheels because he has nothing left to do. :/

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