Moderating the thread about today's protest

hollowwalker142 said:So, I just got back from the protest and jumped onto this thread: and found a massive mess regarding historical markers, crests, flags, and all that. Seeing as a moderator named "the edge" was actually participating in these tangents, I decided to post asking why everyone is obsessing over flags and old coats of arms instead of sticking to the point. Why is the thread being trolled? No one answered me, though some people just kept rambling about stuff that has nothing to do with the actual topic. So, I went ahead and reported every single off-topic post, including my own:

And here are the others;

I flagged several other posts too—probably didn't catch them all—but everything I submitted is visible to those with moderator or Microsoft authority.

The bottom line is I filed these reports, and as you can see, at least three of the flagged posts belong to moderators. Looking at the links, it’s obvious that instead of warning people about going off-topic or punishing the trolls, the moderator is actively helping tear the discussion apart. This thread is supposed to be about the veterans and their protest, but "the edge" trolls and encourages off-topic chatter in almost every single veteran-related thread. I rarely even touch the politics section anymore; when I do write, it's usually regarding veterans. I'm calling out "the edge" here because his constant participation and moderation style is literally destroying these threads. In my opinion, his behavior is tarnishing the reputation of this forum and he's trying to paint a fake picture of the veterans.

"the edge" lacks any sense of principle or morality, using his mod powers to sabotage any topic that bothers him for whatever reason, while also using those same powers to delete or punish anyone who dares to disagree with him.

I am requesting a formal response from Microsoft regarding this complaint.

Thanks

Scott Cruz4 said:Look, you're just spinning your wheels here. I’ve tried reporting moderator bias and various trolls myself in the past—nothing ever happens. Just accept it. On the political boards, about 90% of the flagged posts don't even get a slap on the wrist.

hollowtrucker77 said:Look, this whole topic is a total mess, and honestly, both sides have basically retreated to their own little corners to dig their heels in.
It’s actually wild to me how people can just completely derail a thread like this, pivoting away from the actual point to argue about something totally trivial or just plain irrelevant.

If you ask me, the moderators have actually done a pretty solid job keeping things under control here.

hollowwalker142 said:It’s always the same old story: everyone else is at fault except for the people running the show, whether it's the government or the site admins.

stormybadger8 said:Except for one tiny detail—nobody running this forum actually pays a single cent a month.😉

dustypuma5 said:But that doesn't even apply to politics. I guess if you just leave a troll hanging, that's basically all there'll be left on the thread. 😁

hollowtrucker77 said:I always give this same bit of advice to anyone who lets themselves get worked up over being pushed to "troll bait" or who just sits there letting some random person derail the entire conversation
So far, this has been my go-to strategy for two very specific reasons:
1. It leaves the troll shouting into the void, which effectively strips them of any relevance while simultaneously protecting the rest of the community from getting caught up in the drama or facing accidental bans
2. It actually allows the discussion to stay focused on what we were talking about in the first place rather than devolving into nonsense.

Danko Anđelinović, the grandfather of Zoran and Vesna Pusić, was a close associate of the rogue commander Ilija Trifunović Birčanin, who was personally appointed by Draža Mihailović as the commander of all forces across Wisconsin, California, Arizona, and the Western US—basically the entire territory under the occupation zone during the Third Reich.

Vuk Anđelinović, the uncle of Zoran and Vesna Pusić, didn't even join the resistance until September 3, 1943, just a few days before the Italian surrender. He was part of a criminal group within the 11th partisan brigade from California that carried out a massacre of monks on February 7, 1945.

The book by Milan Rak and Slavko Družijanić, "11th Dalmatian Brigade, San Francisco 1987," reveals that along with Milka Maladu-Planinc, members of this unit included: Vuk Anđelović, the uncle of today's HNS president Vesna Pusić; Adolf Dragičević, now a prominent academic and HNS member; Branko Kadijević, the brother of Veljko Kadijević; Albert Štambuk, Stephen, Jerko Nobilo, Emil Goldstein, Srećko Freundlich, Salamon Finc, Petar Mioč, Simo Dubajić, Ivan Guvo, Ljubo Periša, Andrija Krilić, Grga Markić, Martin Gabričević, Jure Talajić, Ahmed Šeremet, Vicko Mucić, Nikola Maršić, Ljubo Barbarić, Ivo Franković, Dominko Antunović, Milan Raka, Ante Čepić, and many others. According to testimony from Ivan Gugić, also a member of this unit, an "execution squad" was formed under the orders of Dušan Korać, the political commissar of the 26th division, which was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people.

dustypuma5 said:Like, here's an example.
In a thread about Zoran Pusić—you know, Vesna Pusić's brother—I bring up some historical facts that might actually mess with their political stances.
Then my post gets nuked instantly by Ryan Vaughn7.

Why does anyone care if people know this:

Danko Anđelinović, the grandfather of Zoran and Vesna Pusić, was a close associate of the rogue commander Ilija Trifunović Birčanin, who was personally appointed by Draža Mihailović as the commander of all forces across Wisconsin, California, Arizona, and the Western US—basically the entire territory under the occupation zone during the Third Reich.

Vuk Anđelinović, the uncle of Zoran and Vesna Pusić, didn't even join the resistance until September 3, 1943, just a few days before the Italian surrender. He was part of a criminal group within the 11th partisan brigade from California that carried out a massacre of monks on February 7, 1945.

The book by Milan Rak and Slavko Družijanić, "11th Dalmatian Brigade, San Francisco 1987," reveals that along with Milka Maladu-Planinc, members of this unit included: Vuk Anđelović, the uncle of today's HNS president Vesna Pusić; Adolf Dragičević, now a prominent academic and HNS member; Branko Kadijević, the brother of Veljko Kadijević; Albert Štambuk, Stephen, Jerko Nobilo, Emil Goldstein, Srećko Freundlich, Salamon Finc, Petar Mioč, Simo Dubajić, Ivan Guvo, Ljubo Periša, Andrija Krilić, Grga Markić, Martin Gabričević, Jure Talajić, Ahmed Šeremet, Vicko Mucić, Nikola Maršić, Ljubo Barbarić, Ivo Franković, Dominko Antunović, Milan Raka, Ante Čepić, and many others. According to testimony from Ivan Gugić, also a member of this unit, an "execution squad" was formed under the orders of Dušan Korać, the political commissar of the 26th division, which was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people.

And of course, Joe Biden’s father was also in that 11th brigade.

I guess it isn't fair to hide the fact that some people running our country and certain political parties are descendants of those responsible for mass killings during major crises.

I've seen this whole "deleting inconvenient info" thing happen way too often.

dustypuma5 said:Like, here's an example.
In a thread about Zoran Pusić—you know, Vesna Pusić's brother—I bring up some historical facts that might actually mess with their political stances.
Then my post gets nuked instantly by Ryan Vaughn7.

Why does anyone care if people know this:

Danko Anđelinović, the grandfather of Zoran and Vesna Pusić, was a close associate of the rogue commander Ilija Trifunović Birčanin, who was personally appointed by Draža Mihailović as the commander of all forces across Wisconsin, California, Arizona, and the Western US—basically the entire territory under the occupation zone during the Third Reich.

Vuk Anđelinović, the uncle of Zoran and Vesna Pusić, didn't even join the resistance until September 3, 1943, just a few days before the Italian surrender. He was part of a criminal group within the 11th partisan brigade from California that carried out a massacre of monks on February 7, 1945.

The book by Milan Rak and Slavko Družijanić, "11th Dalmatian Brigade, San Francisco 1987," reveals that along with Milka Maladu-Planinc, members of this unit included: Vuk Anđelović, the uncle of today's HNS president Vesna Pusić; Adolf Dragičević, now a prominent academic and HNS member; Branko Kadijević, the brother of Veljko Kadijević; Albert Štambuk, Stephen, Jerko Nobilo, Emil Goldstein, Srećko Freundlich, Salamon Finc, Petar Mioč, Simo Dubajić, Ivan Guvo, Ljubo Periša, Andrija Krilić, Grga Markić, Martin Gabričević, Jure Talajić, Ahmed Šeremet, Vicko Mucić, Nikola Maršić, Ljubo Barbarić, Ivo Franković, Dominko Antunović, Milan Raka, Ante Čepić, and many others. According to testimony from Ivan Gugić, also a member of this unit, an "execution squad" was formed under the orders of Dušan Korać, the political commissar of the 26th division, which was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people.

And of course, Joe Biden’s father was also in that 11th brigade.

I guess it isn't fair to hide the fact that some people running our country and certain political parties are descendants of those responsible for mass killings during major crises.

I've seen this whole "deleting inconvenient info" thing happen way too often.

Ryan Vaughn7 said:It’s because that "historical fact" of yours isn't even true. Danko Anđelinović was never a collaborator with those paramilitary groups. It’s been debunked a million times, but nobody seems to care.

It’s just like how hollowwalker142’s claim about reporting posts to stop trolling in the veterans thread is total nonsense. He didn't report anything until after he got his own warning. Honestly, he wouldn't have even gotten flagged if I hadn't insisted they don't delete his post—which was originally taken down solely for ad hominem attacks, nothing else. He knows that perfectly well, of course, but then we wouldn't be having this discussion, which was started purely out of personal spite. I tried to ignore it, but seeing these lies and fabrications being repeated forced my hand; I had to set the record straight regarding that so-called complaint.

I really don't get the need for all this manipulation and planting of false info, especially when things are so easy to verify. Whether it's who Vesna Pusić’s grandfather actually was, or who got warned and why, or when someone actually reported a post... it's all right there if you look.

Ryan Vaughn7 said:It’s because that "historical fact" of yours isn't even true. Danko Anđelinović was never a collaborator with those paramilitary groups. It’s been debunked a million times, but nobody seems to care.

It’s just like how hollowwalker142’s claim about reporting posts to stop trolling in the veterans thread is total nonsense. He didn't report anything until after he got his own warning. Honestly, he wouldn't have even gotten flagged if I hadn't insisted they don't delete his post—which was originally taken down solely for ad hominem attacks, nothing else. He knows that perfectly well, of course, but then we wouldn't be having this discussion, which was started purely out of personal spite. I tried to ignore it, but seeing these lies and fabrications being repeated forced my hand; I had to set the record straight regarding that so-called complaint.

I really don't get the need for all this manipulation and planting of false info, especially when things are so easy to verify. Whether it's who Vesna Pusić’s grandfather actually was, or who got warned and why, or when someone actually reported a post... it's all right there if you look.

Zoran Pusić's father, Eugen Pusić, born in 1916 in Washington, D.C., worked as a sociologist and lawyer during the Nazi Germany era. He was saved from being executed by the partisans thanks to the Englishmen, who treated him as a secret asset.
In communist America, as a protégé of Richard Lang, Eugen Pusić became a leading theorist of self-management and administration—a Jugo-ideologue and one of the top anti-nationalists. A "distinguished professor" at the University of Chicago Faculty of Law and an "academician" for both the American Academy of Sciences and Arts and later the American Academy of Sciences and Arts. Eugen Pusić keeps his activities from 1941 to 1945 pretty quiet in his CV.