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Larry Baker72 Larry Baker72 NewcomerOP
7 messages
joined Dec 2014
#1 ·
I honestly don't think she has what it takes to be a moderator; she just doesn't grasp basic modes of expression—things like sarcasm, satire, metaphors, or analogies. Instead, she just hands out warnings based entirely on her own personal feelings whenever someone happens to disagree with her.

Detriment is basically a death sentence for any relaxed discussion on this forum.

She kills off any real conversation by enforcing these bizarre, arbitrary rules, like how she’d probably classify history as nothing more than an optional elective in high school.
The moderator is overseeing discussions on religion while simultaneously being against religious studies. She’s a walking contradiction to the very guidelines she’s supposed to enforce.

For instance...
She clings to these rigid, unstated ideas about human nature, offering zero explanation for them yet expecting everyone else to bow down to her strange perspectives—and if you don't? You get a warning.
...and so on.

I’m asking for a formal re-evaluation of her moderation skills, because it feels like she treats this forum as her own personal playground. She lacks the necessary objectivity and reacts far too impulsively; frankly, I wouldn't trust her to watch over a flock of sheep.
redbear2 redbear2 Active Member
84 messages
joined Oct 2014
#2 ·
I’m just a face in the crowd here, but I’m standing by Meadow because she’s got a knack for collecting snails. 🙂

You haven't provided any actual evidence, so your whole argument is basically dead in the water. Either drop a link showing why you think she lacks competence, or you're just going to end up spinning your wheels in this thread.

I don't see how her personal take on history class or religion affects her ability to moderate. Should a discussion on faith be handled exclusively by someone who believes? (I assume she isn't religious, though I don't know her specific stance)

To me, Meadow is the only mod with a bit of soul. 😳

Sophia Thomas7 is decent too, but he lacks that certain spark. 😬
Larry Baker72 Larry Baker72 NewcomerOP
7 messages
joined Dec 2014
#3 ·
redbear2 said:I’m nobody special here, but I’m backing Meadow simply because she gathers up all the little snails. 🙂

You haven't provided a single shred of evidence, so your entire argument falls apart; if you want to claim she isn't competent, link some actual material, otherwise you're just going to end up boiling this whole thread over nothing.

I don't believe her personal views on history as an academic subject or religion in general have any bearing on her ability to moderate. Should a religious topic be moderated exclusively by a believer? (I assume she isn't one, though I don't know what her specific religious or spiritual leanings might be.)

To me, Meadow is the only mod with actual soul. 😳

And Sophia Thomas7 is fine too, but he lacks soul. 😬

Just comb through her posts; all the evidence you need is right there.

The fact that she collects emotional snails who feel abandoned when left alone, or the fact that you find her likable, isn't relevant nor does it constitute a requirement for being a capable moderator.
If you like her, fine—enjoy her as a fellow user, not a moderator, but let's move on.

As for believers and religious forums, of course not; for instance, you wouldn't appoint a bigot to moderate a forum dedicated to tolerance, but even that isn't the core of my point, because what truly matters in a moderator is objectivity, rationality, and judgment—qualities she simply lacks, as she tends to push every topic toward her own subjective opinions which she can't even explain before resorting to banning people.
I actually saw her ban someone just because what they were writing was too much for her brain to process; the guy was making sense, philosophizing about the very essence of consciousness, and he gets banned... so there you have it.

If there were more people like Meadow, this entire forum would be a wasteland.
redbear2 redbear2 Active Member
84 messages
joined Oct 2014
#4 ·
Larry Baker72 said:Just scroll through her post history; all the proof you need is right there.

The fact that she likes snails or that you find her charming doesn't matter. It’s not a requirement for being a moderator.
If you think she's great, fine. Move on.

Regarding believers and the Religion subforum—look, it's simple. You wouldn't pick a white supremacist to moderate a forum dedicated to tolerance. But that's not even my main point. The core issue for any moderator is objectivity, logic, and judgment. She lacks those. Instead, she tends to steer every single thread toward her own subjective opinions. If she can't explain herself, she just hands out bans.

If we had more people like Meadow, this whole site would be a ghost town.

I don't care about "proof." I'm telling you that if you keep linking questionable posts here, nobody is going to take this discussion seriously.

It's the same logic as saying her religious views or her take on school history textbooks don't affect her ability to moderate.
You just don't like her. Period.

Are you equating atheists with racists? I don't follow.
In my experience, she’s actually quite rational—at least during the times I've dealt with her. Again, if you want to make a point, link actual evidence that proves otherwise. Not for my sake—I don't represent anyone here—but for the sake of your own argument.

So your opinions are the objective truth, are they? In every debate I've ever had in the Religion subforum, I actually found myself agreeing with moderator Meadow.

Reading this, I can't tell if you're attacking her moderation style or just her personal beliefs. 🤷
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
303 messages
joined Sep 2014
#5 ·
Meadow is an absolutely stellar moderator.
So patient and thorough... exactly what you need for a religion sub...
Larry Baker72 Larry Baker72 NewcomerOP
7 messages
joined Dec 2014
#6 ·
redbear2 said:I couldn't care less about the evidence. I'm just telling you that if you want people to actually take this thread seriously, you need to start linking those questionable posts right here. Otherwise, what's the point?

The admin who ends up reviewing this will be able to scroll through the history easily enough, so there's really no reason for me to clutter the thread with endless quotes.😵

Just as her religious leanings and her take on how history should be taught in schools don't prove she lacks the capacity to be a moderator.
You just don't like her. Period.

Are you honestly equating atheists with racists? I don't follow.
In my experience, she’s been quite rational—at least during the times I've crossed paths with her. Again, I'm telling you: provide the links that prove otherwise. It isn't for my sake, since my opinion doesn't carry much weight here; it's for the sake of this thread, if you actually intend to achieve anything at all.

If you're moderating a thread, you have to respect its core premise; atheists don't respect religion, so they should be disqualified.
I'm not saying atheists are racists; I'm using an analogy based on the same underlying logic. It seems that might be a bit too much mental gymnastics for you to handle.
Pick up a logic textbook! ☕

So your opinions are objective, are they? In every single debate I've ever had in the Religion sub-forum—of which there weren't many—I found myself agreeing with the moderator in question.

As I read this, I can't tell if you're complaining about her moderation style or her personal beliefs and convictions.🤷

My views are generally objective, even if I am a subjective person by nature; however, when someone disagrees with me, I engage them in debate or simply walk away, rather than trying to eliminate them from the conversation. If you find yourself agreeing with everything she says, well, that's great—you two must be kindred spirits.🤣
Larry Baker72 Larry Baker72 NewcomerOP
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joined Dec 2014
#7 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:Meadow is an incredible moderator.
Patient, thorough—exactly what you want when dealing with religion.

But everything seems to suggest quite the opposite.
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
303 messages
joined Sep 2014
#8 ·
Larry Baker72 said:....

It just shuts down any real conversation... plus her standards are so bizarre. Like, she’d probably make history just an elective in high school. .../

the history of religion. Such a huge difference!
Larry Baker72 Larry Baker72 NewcomerOP
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joined Dec 2014
#9 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:the history of religion. there’s a massive distinction there!

😵

The concept of "history of religion" as its own distinct academic discipline doesn't really exist; it usually just falls under the umbrella of general history or religious studies.

Besides, religions are so deeply intertwined with the timeline of humanity that if you were to strip away every historical event touched by faith, you’d essentially be deleting 99% of recorded history.

And what exactly would one even call the "history of ethics"???

I suspect she simply missed a comma or two—perhaps she meant History, or maybe Religion/Ethics? Since religion and ethics are electives in our school system, you pick one or the other; otherwise, her curriculum entry makes absolutely zero sense, wouldn't you agree? 🤦

Just like yours.
redbear2 redbear2 Active Member
84 messages
joined Oct 2014
#10 ·
Larry Baker72 said:The admin handling the evaluation can just scroll through the posts easily enough. There’s really no point in me flooding the thread with endless quotes. 😵

It won't work. How is anyone supposed to take a complaint seriously when the person filing it doesn't even care enough to back it up with actual evidence? 🤷

If you're running a thread, you have to stick to the topic at hand. It’s basic rules. Atheists don't respect religion, and that’s exactly why they get disqualified.

I don't really get it. Atheism is an identity just like any other—Buddhism, Catholicism, you name it. It belongs on that PDF just as much as anything else.
I’m not equating atheists with racists. I’m just using a comparison that operates on the exact same logic. It seems like that bit of mental gymnastics might be a little too much for you to wrap your head around.

You aren't using a comparison based on the same logic, which makes your point invalid. Unless, of course, you’re trying to argue that racial prejudice is the same thing as atheism—in which case, you’re essentially equating racism with being non-religious. Maybe "equating" is too strong a word; I can give you that much, but my head is pounding right now and I can't think of a better way to put it. The main thing is that you need to get what I'm actually getting at here. If it's the latter, then I can say for certain that judging someone by their skin color and not believing in God are two completely different things. They don't operate on the same principles. So, we're back to square one.
Grab a copy of Principles of Logic and get to work. ☕

I’d tell you, but I think I'll just hold my tongue. Just take this advice to heart, regardless.

I try to stay objective most of the time, though I’ll be the first to admit I have my own biases.

Someone mentioned a book to me recently—something about the fundamentals of logic. I can't quite wrap my head around the title right now. It’s slipping through my fingers.🤔
Look, if someone happens to disagree with my take, I’m not just going to shut them down or kick them out. I actually enjoy the debate. I'd rather talk it through than just eliminate the opposition.

From what I've gathered, she follows that exact same pattern—unless logic dictates otherwise. If you've got evidence that proves me wrong, go ahead and lay it out.
It’s great that you agree with her on everything; sounds like you two are soulmates or something. 🤣

Honestly, being soulmates with her sounds a lot better than being soulmates with you. 🤷
Anthony Perez28 Anthony Perez28 Member
14 messages
joined Mar 2015
#11 ·
Meadow is easily the best moderator on this entire platform 😍

(well, after Pobsa, obviously 😍 😍)

@author—it’s "expects," not "expectiva" 🤣
besides, the logic in this post is completely flawed,

Meadow is top-tier, you have my full support 👍

Puzev 🙂
Sam Lee2 Sam Lee2 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2011
#12 ·
redbear2 said:Sorry, but I just don't get it. Atheism is a worldview just like Buddhism, Catholicism, or whatever else—it's a stance. It definitely belongs on that PDF.

Oh, absolutely! Look, atheism functions like its own kind of religion in many ways; atheists believe that God doesn't exist, and because they hold that conviction, they’re basically believers in a negative sense, which means they totally deserve a spot on that specific subforum 🙂

Meadow is basically the Spock of the moderator team.
(It's all about the logic, not those eyebrows or ears, obviously)
mistyseal8 mistyseal8 Member
44 messages
joined Apr 2014
#13 ·
I’m going to lay out my grievances here like Roman generals vying for political office, presenting my war wounds in the form of Meadow's warnings. Anyone with eyes—or better yet, any actual authority—can see just how much of this is due to her clicking buttons. I find myself agreeing with some of the points made by the OP; it feels like Meadow occasionally misses the nuance of a topic or completely misinterprets a comment, leading to unfair penalties. For instance, I recently took a massive 100-point "mega trolling" strike that won't expire until next year. I received it while commenting on ISIS, noting that blood is being spilled there today and will continue to be because the work wasn't finished in the past—referring specifically to the Crusader liberation of the Middle East. I got flagged because they misinterpreted my historical context as an endorsement of genocide. 🙏 What’s next on the agenda? Are people going to get banned for supporting the Spanish Reconquista? If Spaniards had the right to reclaim the Iberian Peninsula, then the Romans and Crusaders certainly had the same right in the Middle East, especially since Christians still made up half the population, if not more at the time.

Because of this shaky moderation, I tend to steer clear of certain topics on this forum, and honestly, I avoid posting there altogether. Every single post feels like a gamble where I might end up with a penalty I didn't earn. ☕
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2015
#14 ·
Meadow is an excellent moderator; I’ve personally never had any issues with her👋
You all have no idea what it's like to be stuck in the middle of the chaos in the Middle East—God forbid you end up on her bad side🙂
🤣
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#15 ·
Larry Baker72 said:If you’re acting as a moderator for a specific topic, you really ought to respect the theme of that discussion. Atheists don't show respect for religion, and that's exactly why they should be disqualified.

Hold on now, it’s just not true to say that atheists automatically lack respect for religion—let's not paint everyone with the same brush! Besides, according to the rules laid out in this PDF, making accusations without any actual proof isn't allowed. I'd love to see some links to the specific complaints being made here.
silvergardener6 silvergardener6 Member
49 messages
joined Feb 2014
#16 ·
Larry Baker72 said:I suppose what he wrote was just a bit too much for her brain to process.

Larry Baker72 said:It seems like that might be a slightly difficult concept for you to grasp.
Maybe try picking up a basic logic textbook! ☕

It feels like this has all turned into trolling, ad hominem attacks, and general condescension. I suspect the issue might actually lie with you.

Sam Lee2 said:Atheism is essentially its own kind of religion.

That also strikes me as a typical trolling statement, much like how people claim evolution is just a religion in order to spark arguments online.
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
303 messages
joined Sep 2014
#17 ·
Larry Baker72 said:....
The study of religions isn't its own standalone subject; it’s just tucked under general history or religious studies classes.../

It exists. But that’s not what we’re talking about here. Not even close.
The real issue is how you're maliciously twisting someone else's words.

silvergardener6 said:This is nothing but trolling, ad hominem attacks, and pure condescension. Clearly, you're the one with the problem. ..... /

Claiming something is "too much for her brain to grasp" is a straight-up insult. That deserves a ban.
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
311 messages
joined Apr 2019
#18 ·
Meadow is doing some heavy lifting trying to keep any kind of conversation about religion alive here. In the real world, people just sweep this stuff under the rug because it's such a powder keg. You have to respect the hustle. 🙂
Sophia Thomas7 Sophia Thomas7 Active Member
183 messages
joined Aug 2015
#19 ·
Larry Baker72 said:The admin doing the evaluation can just scroll through the posts themselves; there’s really no point in me cluttering up the thread by quoting everything.😵

I mean, where would the admins even be if they had to run an "evaluation" for every single moderator mentioned without at least one actual link to the dispute?
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
369 messages
joined Oct 2011
#20 ·
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I honestly don't think they have what it takes to be a moderator. They seem completely incapable of grasping basic nuances like sarcasm, satire, metaphors, or even simple analogies. Instead of actually moderating, they just react purely based on their own personal feelings—if they happen to disagree with a post, they immediately reach for the ban hammer.

It’s a bit of a detriment to the relaxed atmosphere of the forum.

She effectively stifles any meaningful debate. On top of that, her logic is consistently bizarre—she actually suggested treating history as nothing more than an optional elective in the school curriculum.
The moderator claims to be a religious person, yet they seem to be fundamentally opposed to theology. It’s quite a contradiction, really—they're essentially acting in direct opposition to the very guidelines they are tasked with upholding.

For instance...
She seems to have these rigid, unshakeable ideas about how people should behave, yet she never actually bothers to explain her reasoning. She expects everyone to just nod along and accept her peculiar little dogmas without question; if you don't, she’ll move to ban you immediately.
It seems like you might have sent an incomplete message or a typo. If there was a specific post or text you wanted me to rewrite according to your instructions, please go ahead and paste it. I'm ready to get to work on crafting that fresh, Americanized version for you.

I believe it is time to formally re-evaluate her suitability for the moderator role. From my perspective, she treats this forum like her own private playground rather than a community that requires neutral oversight. She lacks the fundamental objectivity necessary for such a position, often reacting with an impulsiveness that borders on the unprofessional. To be perfectly blunt, I wouldn't trust her to watch over a flock of sheep, let alone manage a digital space.

If you recall, I started a thread on this forum some time ago regarding Meadow, where I expressed my doubts about her actual capacity to handle the role of a moderator.

Nothing came of it, really. All it did was teach me to watch my step whenever I post in the Religion section; host Meadow seems to be just sitting there, practically itching to hand me a suspension.

So, from here on out, you might want to watch what you say over there—especially when she's playing the role of the absolute tyrant.

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Meadow does an outstanding job as a host.
Patient, thorough, and methodical. That is exactly the kind of temperament you need when moderating a religious forum.

If you look at the natural world, you’ll find that true persistence is best exemplified by creatures like ants and termites. They possess a level of patience and meticulous attention to detail that most humans could only hope to emulate.
Are we actually considering bringing them on board to handle the moderation duties?

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Meadow is easily the best host on this entire platform. 😍

After Pobsa, things just went completely off the rails. 😍 😍)

To the author—it’s "expects," not "expectis." Just a small heads-up on the grammar there. 🤣
To be perfectly honest, I find your post to be entirely devoid of any coherent logic. It simply doesn't make sense.

Meadow is the gold standard. You have my full support. 👍

Snails. 🙂

I’ve moved on from keeping snails. These days, I have cats and dogs instead. Honestly, they just suit my temperament much better.

Dogs, cats... 🙂

Forgive me for not being entirely sane... 🙂

Sam Alvarez4 said:it exists. but that isn't the topic here. nor is it the point.
the point is your malicious twisting of what others have actually written.

Claiming that something is "too much for her brain to grasp" is a blatant insult. It deserves a ban.

And why would that be an insult?

What if it happens to be true (even though I don't know the specifics, purely hypothetically speaking)?

What are you actually trying to get at? Are you suggesting it's an insult if someone can't wrap their head around string theory, or that the universe actually has 17 dimensions?

The reality is that host Meadow, much like many other people, isn't going to grasp everything.

But the issue is that she's a moderator; in her position, one would expect someone who behaves a bit less like a machine.

Matthew Anderson said:Where would the admins even begin if they had to 'evaluate' every single mod who gets called out, without a single controversial link being posted?

If you're truly bored, you can revisit my old thread about Meadow.
Or look at the precedent set by former moderator Bluebird, and then think about it, boss...

This isn't the first time someone has voiced grievances regarding Meadow, in fact...

I realize finding new mods isn't easy, but you shouldn't allow moderators to wage private wars against the community members. For God's sake, I used to sit down and talk things through like an adult with ZgSash, yet he carries himself here like he's Satan.

Someone who lacks the ability to communicate with others and who blocks their own followers shouldn't hold a moderator position. That's not even mentioning the other glaring deficiencies if one chooses to ignore them.

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