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Nightmare Alley (2021)

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Terry Hernandez10 Terry Hernandez10 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
Nightmare Alley is an upcoming American neo-noir psychological thriller from director Guillermo del Toro—written by Guillermo del Toro and Morgan Freeman—based on the 1946 novel by William Lindsay Gresham. Coming to theaters on December 17, 2021.

A carnival hustler with a knack for playing people with just the right words finds himself entangled with Dr. Lilith Ritter—a psychiatrist who might actually be more dangerous than he is.

Starring: Bradley Cooper, Cate Blanchett, Willem Dafoe, Rooney Mara
Directed By: Guillermo del Toro

Guillermo del Toro IMDb

goldenhound32 goldenhound32 Regular
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#2 ·
I watched the original. It was decent enough.
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
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#3 ·
Ugh, just finished watching it, and man, it really lives up to the name Nightmare Alley. Honestly, one of the darkest, most twisted high-budget flicks I’ve seen in a minute. I don't know, my head is spinning a bit—it’s a total mess of feelings, swinging from absolute genius to stuff that feels just plain tasteless.
Still, 👍 because we're talking about a massive film buff here. Maybe he gets a little carried away with his vision, totally unintentional, but hey, who can really fault an artist for being extra? Not me.

4.1🙂0.9
frozenskipper12 frozenskipper12 Member
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#4 ·
Patrick Martin said:I just finished watching it, and honestly, it truly is Nightmare Alley. It stands out as one of the darkest and most obscure high-budget productions we've seen lately. I find myself struggling to reconcile my impressions, caught somewhere between genuine brilliance and moments of sheer tastelessness.
Yet, 👍 perhaps this is simply the result of an overzealous cinephile at work—someone whose visions might be a touch excessive, even if unconsciously so. But then again, who can really fault an artist for such intensity? I certainly won't.

4.1🙂0.9

Man, I have to agree with Patrick Martin.

It’s painfully obvious that this is a film driven by pure, unadulterated cinematic obsession.

Admittedly, there are stretches where it feels bloated and aimless.

Still, my affection for Guillermo del Toro and his relentless passion is such that I can't bring myself to rate it any lower than a 3.5 or a 4.
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#5 ·
Is this actually horror?
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
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#6 ·
mellowskipper said:Is this even horror?

Do you even know what an R rating means?

Grab a glass of water now, because you’re gonna have a massive lump in your throat after this. ☕
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#7 ·
Patrick Martin said:do you even know what an R rating actually implies?

get yourself a glass of water ready—you might find yourself choking on it. ☕

Well, I assumed the R was tied to those Parental Advisory warnings. You know, nudity, swearing, drugs... But yeah, I suppose it could obviously involve some killings too.
As long as there aren't any guts or anything like that.
placidcrane102 placidcrane102 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Patrick Martin said:You even know what R-rated means?

No clue. Why?
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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placidcrane102 said:Not me. What are you even talking about?

Restricted.

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placidcrane102 placidcrane102 Newcomer
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mellowskipper said:Restricted.

Sent from my smartphone using Reddit

Tenks.🙂
neonhound32 neonhound32 Active Member
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#11 ·
It isn't quite a horror movie, more like a thriller mixed with elements of horror and comedy. It definitely gives off an American horror Story vibe.

I thought the film was decent, even if it drags on too long. I wasn't particularly fond of Bradley, but Cate Blanchett was 👍

spoiler:

I don't really see the logic behind her turning on him at the end. If it wasn't about love, then what was the motivation?
Jack Murphy5 Jack Murphy5 Active Member
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#12 ·
Look, at the end of the day, she laid everything out for him. She explained exactly why it happened, even though it was pretty much obvious from the start.
ruggedtrucker3 ruggedtrucker3 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Honestly, the motivation behind that kind of extreme revenge? Just weak. I'm with you—it makes zero sense given what happened at the play. And the ending felt pretty underwhelming too, mostly because I saw it coming from a mile away. Literally, after that one scene, I knew exactly how it would wrap up, so there was no real impact for me. On the bright side, the details were great. The movie looks beautiful, especially those office scenes; the atmosphere in the office was spot on. It’s a solid enough film, though.
wearywolf49 wearywolf49 Member
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#14 ·
SPOILER!

neonhound32 said:I don't really get why she turns on him at the end. If it's not about love, then what?

My take? It’s because as some highly educated pro—say, someone in medicine or a similar field—you just can't back someone who's peddling the exact same product as you, but built on total lies and shady methods. It’s the fraud factor. 🤷

To me, the movie used that move to send a message about what’s right and wrong, basically making sure we aren't accidentally rooting for the bad guys, which is harder than it looks sometimes. How she handles it is up to how you interpret it, but that's the logic I used to answer your question. 🙂

Honestly, the movie hit the spot. Atmosphere, tight storytelling, solid characters... for a total amateur like me, it was great. Don't quote me on that, though.

The lead starts out, stays that way through the whole thing, and ends as a complete geek, which I loved. And his final line 🙏 he finally gets it. 👍
neonhound32 neonhound32 Active Member
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#15 ·
ruggedtrucker3 said:The motivation behind such an extreme vendetta feels thin to me. Given what happened during that play, I agree—it just doesn't make any sense. The ending also fell flat. I actually saw it coming from the very first scene, so there was zero impact for me. On the bright side, the details are well done. The cinematography is sharp, especially the office setting and those specific interior scenes. The atmosphere is solid. It’s a decent enough film.

The ending felt a bit too predictable to me, right down to the final sentence. I think they could have achieved a much stronger impact if they hadn't pushed the geek subculture so hard in the opening acts. If they had kept that more subtle, there would have been a genuine "aha" moment at the end once the full circle finally closed.

wearywolf49 said:SPOILER ALERT!

My take? It’s pretty simple. As someone with an advanced degree—working in medicine, or at least within those professional humanitarian circles—I just can't bring myself to back someone like that. You can't support a person who peddles a product nearly identical to your own, especially when their entire operation is built on nothing but deception and hollow methods. It goes against everything we're trained to uphold. 🤷

I viewed that scene in the film as a way to convey a message regarding morality—essentially distinguishing between what is acceptable and what isn't. It’s a clever tactic to ensure the villains aren't being glorified, which, let's be honest, is often quite difficult to pull off. The director leaves the final judgment to us, the audience, but I personally interpreted the reasoning exactly as you suggested in your question. 🙂

The film really resonated with me. From the atmosphere to the way the narrative ties everything together, it just worked. The characterizations were solid, too. Now, I’m certainly no critic—just an amateur with a decent eye for cinema—but it was a great watch.

The protagonist drives the entire narrative from start to finish. He ends up as a total geek by the end, which I actually found quite refreshing. That final line of his really tied everything together. 🙏 Moving on to what he understands. 👍


There’s something more to it here. A bruised ego, maybe. That desperate need to prove she’s tougher and better than him. Still, even considering that, it wasn't quite enough to convince me. She seemed to have moved past it, though I couldn't shake this unsettling vibe coming from her throughout the entire film. Regardless, I certainly didn't see that massive twist coming. 🙂

I didn't expect to still be dwelling on this movie, but it left me with such a heavy, hollow feeling by the end. There’s a profound sadness in watching him become exactly what he spent his entire life fearing—his own father. Seeing him finally laugh at the irony of his situation and the position he's landed in was devastating, especially since I spent the whole film rooting for him to walk away and reject the job entirely. 🕺

Some might call it karma. Given how his father met his end—which was nothing short of brutal—it’s no surprise he spent his life orbiting older men. Even she pointed that out, and we see it play out whenever he shows a bit of tenderness toward a geek. He just can't bear to leave him out in the rain.
There’s such a sharp contrast in how he treats his father versus how he treats the geek. I can't tell if it's coming from a place of pure regret, or if he just understands what it feels like to hit rock bottom and suddenly finds himself full of empathy. He seems to sympathize with the geek because society turned its back on him, yet he holds his father and that other drinker, >, in contempt for their habits.

And then there's >. What kind of symbolism are we looking at there? 🍿
wearywolf49 wearywolf49 Member
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neonhound32 said:The ending was kind of a snooze fest for me. I saw it coming from a mile away—right down to the last sentence. I think it’d hit harder if they actually leaned into it. If they’d just pushed the geek factor harder at the start, that full-circle payoff would’ve actually landed like an "aha!" moment.

👍

neonhound32 said:I didn't think I'd still be obsessing over this movie, but man, that ending just left me feeling totally hollow. He spent his entire life running from the very thing he eventually became—his own father. Watching him laugh at the irony of his new position at the end was brutal, especially since I was rooting for him to walk away and reject the job until the very last second. 🕺

Same. 🙂

neonhound32 said:Enoch, what kind of symbolism are we even looking at here? 🍿

Maybe there’s a link between "killing" your parent during birth? Enoch basically kills his mother because of birth complications, while Stan kills off his father during his own "rebirth"—he stops being who he was and turns into someone else entirely. That’s where the movie is headed. 🤷
ruggedtrucker3 ruggedtrucker3 Newcomer
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#17 ·
I didn't really see it that way. To me, it felt like this massive, over-the-top revenge plot being masked as some kind of defense of science. And don't even get me started on the other victims—people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Even if we agree that the main victim was in the wrong and deserved some kind of comeuppance, and sure, maybe the protagonist too, what about everyone else? It just feels off. Plus, the whole motivation thing felt pretty thin to me. There’s a hint of why they did it, but it isn't fleshed out enough to make those kinds of extreme decisions feel earned. That’s just my two cents, though; I personally wasn't feeling it. Still, the movie itself is solid. I'd say it's easily one of the better ones from 2021.
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
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#18 ·
WATCH OUT! Spoilers ahead!!

I don't know, man... I’m stuck on this one thing again. It’s just eating at me. That guy playing Bradley? He is way too big of a talent to be ending up like this. It's just wrong.

Look, if someone’s got that kind of crooked soul—someone who’s just hungry for the green, purely driven by greed—well, they could easily play the game. I mean, if he’s as sharp as he looks, and let's face it, he’s probably a master manipulator, he could just charm his way into some wealthy widow's life. And honestly? America is crawling with them. He could just latch onto one of those ladies, live the high life, and spend the rest of his days coasting on her dime without ever lifting a finger. It's a classic move. 🤷

What is he even doing? Seriously, man... he’s just making his own life a total nightmare for no damn reason. Why go out of your way to make things that difficult? It's like watching someone trip over their own feet on purpose. Just stop complicating everything, for crying out loud.

I don't know, man... I'm just saying, his whole trajectory feels a little forced to me. It's like they're trying way too hard to make it happen, you know? Like when a studio tries to force a sequel that nobody asked for just because they want to chase a trend—it feels artificial, totally scripted. There’s just something about the way he’s moving that feels off, like it's all being pushed by some behind-the-scenes agenda rather than actually happening naturally. It's just a bit much.
placidcrane102 placidcrane102 Newcomer
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#19 ·
It would’ve been great if you guys knew how this movie ends right off the bat. It didn't hit me until the very end when was hiding out in a train car full of chickens while running from the cops, and I finally realized he was destined to become the next big geek.
ruggedtrucker3 ruggedtrucker3 Newcomer
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placidcrane102 said:Must be nice knowing how the movie ends right from the jump. It didn't hit me until the very end, like when he's hiding out in that chicken coop car while running from the cops, and suddenly it clicks—he's gonna end up being the new geek.

Man, it was honestly so obvious. Everything was screaming it at you, from that restaurant scene to one specific line. For me, it was clear as day.

The booze, his pride about never drinking, the cards, and that note his old man gave him at the carnival... seriously, the second he hops in that truck with Zeena and drives off, I knew exactly where this was heading.

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