Not Zoran Oštrić again

I get it, since you're so deeply entrenched in your ideology, you just can't tell the difference between "understanding" and "excusing" something.....

There's a specific kind of ad hominem called poisoning the well. It’s basically a preemptive strike to smear someone's position before they even have a chance to speak. It’s an attempt to discredit anything said that goes against a preferred narrative through purely illogical means. ....

I certainly don't believe extrajudicial killings were justified. On the other hand, we aren't just talking about some obscure headline or a "hardly read newspaper," but rather relentless, intense propaganda favoring the fascist regime, fascist ideologies, and Nazi aggression, along with mass killings carried out by fascists and German Nazis, throughout the four years of the war.

I definitely don't think extrajudicial killings were justified. On the flip side, though, it wasn't just about one single article or some obscure rag; it was about the relentless, heavy-handed propaganda supporting the Nazi regime, fascist ideologies, and the Nazi aggression, along with the mass killings carried out by the local collaborators and German Nazis throughout the four years of the war.

Stalin proposed executing 50,000–100,000 German officers so that Germany could not plan another war. Roosevelt, believing Stalin was not serious, joked that "maybe 49,000 would be enough". Churchill, however, was outraged and denounced "the cold blooded execution of soldiers who fought for their country". He said that only war criminals should be put on trial in accordance with the Moscow Document, which he himself had written. He stormed out of the room, but was brought back in by Stalin who said he was joking. Churchill was glad Stalin Had relented , but thought Stalin was testing The Waters.

driftingorca16 said:Having lonetrucker4 acting as moderator is getting exhausting:

Daniel Ward87 said:I’ve been scrolling through the thread and the debate, and honestly, lonetrucker4 is spot on here. You're clearly blinded by ideology—your posts have been showing that bias since way before lonetrucker4 even stepped up as a mod.

It’s pretty much what lonetrucker4 said about you having trouble telling certain things straight, though he wasn't speaking as a moderator, just as a regular guy on the forum. Is this just baiting for a ban? Or maybe just trolling? Because the way you talk about Nazi Germany and that whole era isn't exactly grounded in reality. If I were the mod, I’d probably just scrub the post unless I was 100% sure it warranted a strike. On the flip side, I get why people say mods should avoid making those kinds of calls specifically to avoid these exact situations.

Also, claiming lonetrucker4 is arguing that the Church promotes mass killings is trolling at its finest. People have been debating the role of the Secret Police in Nazi Germany for ages, including how they helped officials flee to places like Argentina. Regarding propaganda, I wouldn't go as far as saying the Secret Police was the Goebbels of Nazi Germany (that part definitely deserves a strike, btw), but I see the point you're trying to make about how much influence the Secret Police had on the average American back then. Just because someone doesn't say something explicitly doesn't mean they aren't indirectly backing certain views for their own benefit, right? And we all know how terrified the Nazis and their cronies were of the Soviets showing up. Fighting Bolshevism was a matter of survival, so any means used to stop it felt justified to them.

Anyway, in this specific mess, you're both kind of right and you both deserve the strikes.

driftingorca16 said:I clearly don't fit into this red versus black colorblindness you guys have going on. I’m not "black," and I’m not "red." It’s all colors to me. The only way today's "reds" make sense is if they see nothing but black around them—which is exactly what you're doing. But I won't let anyone label me as being on the "black" side. Especially not from ideological zealots who ignore war crimes right in front of their faces while preaching about pacifism and anti-fascism. To me, that’s just a gross distortion of the facts and an insult. Period.

I’m not reading minds here; I’m just reading what was actually written. He said what he said. That isn't an insinuation or trolling; it’s just quoting him.

We’re living in the 21st century. America is a sovereign nation, a member of the EU and NATO, and we forge strategic military partnerships with Israel. So, what’s your problem?