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Old PC - looking for a CPU upgrade

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George Lewis3 George Lewis3 MemberOP
10 messages
joined Oct 2019
#1 ·
Hello.

I have an ancient tower that isn't worth replacing with a modern case since I barely use it—it would just be money down the drain. Still, if there's any way to breathe life into it, I'm interested.

Here is the current setup:

Gigabyte Motherboard with Socket AM2
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.6 GHz 2c/2t
3GB DDR2 800 MHz RAM (3x1GB)
160 GB PATA HDD
Nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS
Generic 400W PSU

The machine crawls like a wounded animal. Modern browsing absolutely kills it, especially Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. I can't really complain, though; the thing is over a decade old.
But, if it’s possible, I’d like to give it a little boost without breaking the bank.

Is it even worth upgrading the processor on this board? I saw some AM2 processors on eBay for $33 (like an Athlon 64 X2 6400+ 3.2 GHz or a 6000+ 3.0 GHz). Would I actually notice a difference?

Naturally, I'd swap the memory for 2x2GB DDR2 800 dual channel and grab an SSD $67. I know that will help, but my main concern right now is the CPU.

Thanks. 👍
crimsonstag84 crimsonstag84 Regular
518 messages
joined Jun 2010
#2 ·
If you flash your BIOS to the F6H version, this motherboard actually supports those 95W Socket AM3 processors. This looks like a pretty decent deal to me:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/processor-listing-example

Regarding the RAM, I'd just grab another 1GB stick of DDR2 for about $17 and you'll get dual channel working. Honestly, 4GB should be plenty for basic tasks.

The biggest jump in performance will definitely be an SSD, since that old PATA drive is painfully slow. You can find newer 120GB ones for around $57.

Though, I guess I'm not entirely sure how reliable adding new parts will be if you're running some 10-year-old junk power supply 😁
George Lewis3 George Lewis3 MemberOP
10 messages
joined Oct 2019
#3 ·
Well, you've piqued my interest now. 😁

I did some digging on eBay for those Socket AM3 models and stumbled upon this:
Intel Core i3 https://www.ebay.com/itm/example-listing

It's also 95W, but it comes with a cooler for $33. It’s a quad-core, though, but since these are all ancient relics, I'm not sure how much that actually matters these days.

What's your take?
fadedorca66 fadedorca66 Regular
372 messages
joined Nov 2022
#4 ·
I think I have those two processors lying around somewhere, but it really just comes down to whether you want four "weaker" cores or three better ones. The Phenom II X3 actually has L3 Cache, whereas the Athlon doesn't.

If I were you, I'd probably just grab an SSD first; you'll notice a massive difference with that.
George Lewis3 George Lewis3 MemberOP
10 messages
joined Oct 2019
#5 ·
Yeah, an SSD is definitely the way to go for $60 the upgrade. Still, I have my doubts. When I put an SSD into a newer laptop, it worked fine in AHCI mode right in the BIOS before I even touched the OS. Will this motherboard behave the same way? The manufacturer's site lists an AHCI driver, but it says "pre-install." Am I supposed to load that through the BIOS after flashing for the new CPU but before starting the OS installation? They don't really offer drivers for Windows 7, just a bunch for Windows Vista—which is what I think I used for my current Windows 7 setup.

I'm looking at the listings now. If I'm thinking "long-term," I should probably aim for a Phenom II. 😁
There's a guy in my own city selling processors, so no waiting around or shipping fees. He’s offering a Phenom II x4 810 (2.6 GHz, 95W) for $60 https://www.craigslist.com/processors/listing-example-25127100 and an X4 945 (3.0 GHz, 95W) for $83 https://www.craigslist.com/processors/listing-example-26668798

I don't see much value in these older parts. For $23 more, I could get a much better chip based on crimsonstag84's first post. With this second option, the price creeps up, but there's a noticeable jump in power. I scanned everything on the motherboard's compatibility list on Craigslist, and these two aren't any outliers compared to other offers, plus we're in the same city. What do you all think before I pull the trigger?

Oh, the cooler. Can the stock cooler from this little Intel Core 2 Duo 65W 5200+ handle these Phenom II x4 95W chips, or am I looking at a replacement? The same guy is offering a cooler for $10 (doesn't specify the model). I actually found some extra RAM from him for $10 based on crimsonstag84's recommendation, so if the math works out, I might just buy everything from one person—RAM, CPU, maybe the cooler. I really don't feel like pulling the motherboard just to swap a backplate. Not happening. I can only do it if the existing socket bracket works.

Sorry for bothering you all so much. I know I'm being a pain. 😬
fadedorca66 fadedorca66 Regular
372 messages
joined Nov 2022
#6 ·
Look, if my memory serves, that board was one of the early ones released for that socket back in 2006. I actually had its sibling, the Gigabyte Motherboard, which died ages ago 😬

So we're talking about a decade old here. You'll drop $67 on an SSD, maybe 250 on a processor, 30 on a cooler, 50 on some RAM, and then you'll probably realize your graphics card is garbage too and needs an upgrade. Eventually, you'll figure out the power supply is also ten years old and on its last legs... and after all that, you'll still just have a ten-year-old PC that you dumped a ton of cash into 😬

I guess this is my worst-case scenario, but people tend to get stuck digging holes with these old PCs and end up wasting a massive amount of money. My advice? Just grab that SSD first and see how it feels. If the performance jumps significantly—great. It's the lowest risk move since you can always toss it into a new PC later. If you're still not feeling the speed, maybe pop in a processor up to $33, but don't go overboard. And if it's still lagging, maybe add a stick of RAM for $17. It won't cost much and might give you decent enough performance.

Before you do any of that, it would be a really good idea to visually check the capacitors on the motherboard. If even one looks "bulged"—don't bother putting another cent into that PC. Same goes for the power supply, especially if it's some low-end brand like EVGA, you should probably check that too if you can.
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2017
#7 ·
fadedorca66 makes a good point—don't go overboard or bury yourself in debt for a setup like this

Personally, I think the Phenom 945 is overpriced and closer to $50. You might snag one for $67, but getting an x3 720 for $33 is a steal. It’s only slightly slower, and honestly, just look at the numbers here

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/83?vs=80

As for the cooler, if you're using the stock one, it isn't great. Usually, I'd suggest something like an LC 95 or similar for about $33

Having plenty of RAM is fine, but even 8GB will work perfectly for you. Especially since you can use an SSD as extra virtual memory for a fast page file—it'll be just as snappy as the RAM on your current PC... I'm not entirely sure if you need to tweak anything or if it's automatic, but usually, the page file kicks in automatically when you hit low RAM mode and a program needs more space

The most important thing is the SSD. Get that first, see how happy you are with the PC, and then maybe decide what else you want

Then look into a different CPU if you really feel the need

A solid power supply is also a good idea. A Fortron Hexsa 400W is around $100, but only grab that if you're satisfied with the build and think it can push through another few years
George Lewis3 George Lewis3 MemberOP
10 messages
joined Oct 2019
#8 ·
Right. I was planning on squeezing every bit of performance out of this CPU, but I'll stick to your advice and see how it holds up first. Tomorrow I'm picking up an Adata SU650 120GB SSD for $60 and another 1GB of RAM for $10, which puts me at 4x 1GB. We'll see if the whole setup actually behaves. If things get sluggish later, I might grab that Phenom II X3 720 along with an Arctic Cooling Alpine 64 plus 92 mm.
Thanks for the help. 😉
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2017
#9 ·
This would be a solid deal for you

https://www.ebay.com/itm/processor-listing-example
George Lewis3 George Lewis3 MemberOP
10 messages
joined Oct 2019
#10 ·
Bryan Taylor6, thanks. 🙂

I sent a message to the user to check if it draws 95W or 125W. If it’s the higher one, it won't work with my motherboard.
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2017
#11 ·
I totally forgot 😢

And you really need to watch out for that...

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