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PC build under $500?

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Participants Bryan Morris9Bryan Taylor6Robert Rodriguez2crimsonstag84swiftfalcon89analogtiger19wiredotter14Larry Ortiz5
Bryan Morris9 Bryan Morris9 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Here we go again...
A buddy of mine put together a build for $1167 based on prices from Best Buy... alright, experts, take a look and tell me what you think :P
It's a gaming PC, I guess, but also just for general everyday use...

Motherboard ASUS A88XM-PLUS socket FM2+ = $193
Processor AMD Athlon ii x4 840 3100/3800 MHz socket FM2+ = $157
Memory KINGSTON 8gb DDR3 1866 MHz, DIMM, HyperX = $84
Power Supply Inter-tech energon, 650 W = $92
Graphics Card XFX AMD Radeon R9 380 double Dissipation $592
Case MS Industrial RANGER $53

Total $1172

So, suggestions and comments please. 🙂

I've already got an HDD and DVD drive...
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
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#2 ·
I think you’re going to need a beefier processor. I'm not totally convinced the 840k can really push an R9 380 to its full potential here...

Maybe look into an 860k or an 870k instead...

Also, that Intertech power supply isn't going to cut it for a card like that. You definitely need something more reliable. Someone actually recommended a Seasonic 650W Silver for an R9 280...

So, you'll probably end up spending a few extra bucks on top of what you're already looking at.
Bryan Morris9 Bryan Morris9 NewcomerOP
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#3 ·
Yeah, that caught my eye immediately too. Specifically the price gap between the $567 GPU, then adding a $90 power supply on top of a 450 dollar CPU...
Alright, I'm still waiting on some more concrete suggestions 😁

Realistically, how much punch does this card actually have? Is it actually "worth it" to pivot to a weaker card that plays better with the CPU and power supply budget? How much performance am I actually going to lose if I go that route?
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
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#4 ·
I wouldn't buy a blank DVD at that price point if it were free.

for $1167 you can't run a high-end GPU without cutting corners elsewhere:
Build Specs - Newegg
Bryan Morris9 Bryan Morris9 NewcomerOP
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#5 ·
That’s exactly why I’m asking 😁
I’ll take any suggestion, haha. Could be an entirely different build for $1167...

Link isn't working for you :/

It works. My bad 😁

@Fl @Tron
What’s your take on the rest of the components to pair with that GPU?
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
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#6 ·
Bryan Morris9 said:That’s exactly why I’m asking 😁
I’ll take any suggestion, haha. Could be an entirely different build for $1167...

Link isn't working for you :/

It works. My bad 😁

@Fl @Tron
What’s your take on the rest of the components to pair with that GPU?

Well, you listed that same GPU earlier. This setup is a much better move than what you had before, mostly because you actually have an upgrade path if you decide to level up later.
If you can scrape together another $100, an FX 8300 fits easily into the budget.
Bryan Morris9 Bryan Morris9 NewcomerOP
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#7 ·
It’s not the same card? The one my buddy put in was an XFX AMD Radeon R9 380 double Dissipation 4GB.
crimsonstag84 crimsonstag84 Regular
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#8 ·
Robert Rodriguez2 said:I wouldn't buy a blank DVD at that price point if it were free.

for $1167 you can't run a high-end GPU without cutting corners elsewhere:
Build Specs - Newegg

Why go with the FX 4300? I guess it just depends. 😛

I guess this is just a look at the AMD FX 4320 processor. It seems like a fairly standard mid-range option for builds from that era.

It’s basically the same card, just with 4GB of VRAM. I guess there's a slight edge there, but on a budget like this, it probably isn't worth the extra cash.
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
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#9 ·
crimsonstag84 said:Why go with the FX 4300? I guess it just depends. 😛

I guess this is just a look at the AMD FX 4320 processor. It seems like a fairly standard mid-range option for builds from that era.

It’s basically the same card, just with 4GB of VRAM. I guess there's a slight edge there, but on a budget like this, it probably isn't worth the extra cash.

If he picks that one instead, I'm out. 👍
swiftfalcon89 swiftfalcon89 Active Member
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#10 ·
You could actually stretch your budget a bit here and go with an LGA 1151 setup plus DDR4. It really opens up the door for a decent i5 upgrade down the road:

1x MSI H110M PRO-D, LGA 1151, DDR4-2133, Military Class 4
1x Intel Core i3 6100 1 x Corsair
1x Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133 Value
1x Gigabyte Radeon R9 380 WF2 OC, 2GB GDDR5, HDMI, DVI
1x XFX 500W XT Series 80 Bronze, XFX-P1-500B-XTFR
1x MS VOYAGER case (no PSU)

Total: $1233

By the way, this Gigabyte R9 380 still has an extra year of warranty left on it. Plus, it runs a lot quieter and stays cooler than that XFX card
analogtiger19 analogtiger19 Active Member
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#11 ·
swiftfalcon89 said:You could actually stretch your budget a bit here and go with an LGA 1151 setup plus DDR4. It really opens up the door for a decent i5 upgrade down the road:

1x MSI H110M PRO-D, LGA 1151, DDR4-2133, Military Class 4
1x Intel Core i3 6100 1 x Corsair
1x Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133 Value
1x Gigabyte Radeon R9 380 WF2 OC, 2GB GDDR5, HDMI, DVI
1x XFX 500W XT Series 80 Bronze, XFX-P1-500B-XTFR
1x MS VOYAGER case (no PSU)

Total: $1233

By the way, this Gigabyte R9 380 still has an extra year of warranty left on it. Plus, it runs a lot quieter and stays cooler than that XFX card

Since you're busy listing everything this thing HAS compared to the ASUS, you might as well mention what it LACKS (the RAM).😬
swiftfalcon89 swiftfalcon89 Active Member
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#12 ·
From what I can tell, smartic also went with the 2GB version. Honestly, when you're working with a budget this tight, you don't really have much of a choice anyway. Besides, if you're just aiming for 1080p gaming, it’s not like it's going to make a massive difference. The gap in Frames Per Second between the 2GB and 4GB models is pretty negligible—though, obviously, if you have the extra cash to swing the 4GB version, you should go for it.
wiredotter14 wiredotter14 Regular
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#13 ·
Robert Rodriguez2 said:If he picks that one instead, I'm out. 👍

Why go for a Core i7 instead of a Ryzen?

If they're actually looking at an upgrade path, they should grab the i3 6098 which is $296, especially since that Core i3 is $237 with a cooler. For $59 more (honestly, the gap is smaller because you need a better motherboard for a Ryzen than for Coffee Lake), you get a chip that'll crush a Core i7 in most multithreaded games—not to mention having an actual upgrade path regardless of which power supply you buy (Ryzen 7 aren't toys anymore)
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
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#14 ·
wiredotter14 said:Why go for a Core i7 instead of a Ryzen?

If they're actually looking at an upgrade path, they should grab the i3 6098 which is $296, especially since that Core i3 is $237 with a cooler. For $59 more (honestly, the gap is smaller because you need a better motherboard for a Ryzen than for Coffee Lake), you get a chip that'll crush a Core i7 in most multithreaded games—not to mention having an actual upgrade path regardless of which power supply you buy (Ryzen 7 aren't toys anymore)

I figured putting a quad core in his build gave him a cheaper way to upgrade later. Anything on AM4 is going to be a dead end soon anyway.

I skipped Intel because upgrading later costs a fortune, and honestly, that i3 just feels off to me, regardless of the 2core + hyper threading.
wiredotter14 wiredotter14 Regular
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#15 ·
Robert Rodriguez2 said:I figured putting a quad core in his build gave him a cheaper way to upgrade later. Anything on AM4 is going to be a dead end soon anyway.

I skipped Intel because upgrading later costs a fortune, and honestly, that i3 just feels off to me, regardless of the 2core + hyper threading.

I get where you're coming from, but the OP needs to clarify what they actually want regarding this question.

So:

-Are they planning an upgrade?
-Do they plan on overclocking?

First off, if there’s no overclocking involved, then AMD doesn't even have a seat at the table here. Better to put the cash into a new platform with a decent i3 rather than wasting money on an AMD chip that'll just run at stock—especially since you'd be paying extra for a cooler ($33 which isn't cheap in a build like this)
In my opinion, the i3 6098p beats those quad-core AMD chips at stock frequencies, hands down. I've looked at plenty of benchmarks for CPU-heavy games, and i3s usually match or beat quad/hexa AMD setups.
If you start overclocking, though, AMD can definitely bite back and outperform an i3 or even an i5 for the same or less money.

The idea of a weak AMD build being an "upgrade path" doesn't sit right with me. Sure, the price looks okay, but if they actually follow through on an upgrade, they'll end up selling their processor for pennies, having a leftover cooler they'll get next to nothing for, and then needing to buy a new one anyway (if they move up to a Ryzen 7 Liquid Cooled, it's not exactly some low-power rig).
An ASUS 500W PSU would work, but if they go Intel, they could probably get away with a cheaper power supply.

As a "no-upgrade" build, it's fine, but I'd honestly just go with a Ryzen.
If they want to OC, I'd go Ryzen.
If they want both OC and an upgrade path, go with a Ryzen.

If they only care about the upgrade path without overclocking, I'd go with Coffee Lake—either an i3 or a Celeron depending on how fast they want to upgrade and what they intend to play.

If they aren't doing OC or upgrading, personally, I'd stick with the i3 for the modern platform; even if it's just "meh," it still holds its own in most CPU-intensive games. Though a Ryzen would be fine too.

With any Intel build, you can use a lower-end power supply compared to what you'd eventually need for a Ryzen 7 platform.

That's my two cents. In these tight-budget situations where everyone is thinking about ten different things, the user really needs to state exactly what their goals are and what they're willing to do.
It's pointless to build an upgrade path if the person never intends to open the case, or to prep for overclocking if they aren't actually going to do it. And there's no point building for OC if you're just going to have to swap out half the parts later.
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
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#16 ·
Look, overclocking an 840k, 860k, or 870k isn't exactly rocket science. You just bump up the multipliers, grab a better cooler... and you're done.

I was checking out the minimum requirements for GTA V the other day, and it calls for a 4-core processor....

Anyway...

Minimum specifications:
OS: Windows 8.1 64-bit, Windows 8 64-bit, Windows 7 64-bit SP1, Windows Vista 64-bit SP2* (*NVIDIA video card recommended if running Vista OS)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (4 CPUs) / AMD Phenom 9850 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs) @ 2.5GHz
Memory: 4GB
Video Card: NVIDIA 9800 GT 1GB / AMD HD 4870 1GB (DirectX 10, 10.1, 11)
Sound Card: 100% DirectX 10 compatible
HDD Space: 65GB
DVD Drive

Recommended specifications:
OS: Windows 8.1 64-bit, Windows 8 64-bit, Windows 7 64-bit SP1
Processor: Intel Core i5 3470 @ 3.2GHZ (4 CPUs) / AMD X8 Ryzen 7 @ 4GHZ (8 CPUs)
Memory: 8GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GTX 660 2GB / AMD HD7870 2GB
Sound Card: 100% DirectX 10 compatible
HDD Space: 65GB
DVD Drive

http://www.rockstargames.com/newswir...d-system-specs
Larry Ortiz5 Larry Ortiz5 Regular
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#17 ·
If they’re planning on playing a cracked version of GTA V, they might actually need an even beefier rig—because honestly, I can't even get it to run on Ultra settings at 1080p with my Intel Core i5 4670k, 8GB of RAM, and an EVGA GeForce GTX 970. It's funny, though, because the official version of the game actually runs pretty smoothly on this setup.
wiredotter14 wiredotter14 Regular
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#18 ·
Bryan Taylor6 said:Look, overclocking an 840k, 860k, or 870k isn't exactly rocket science. You just bump up the multipliers, grab a better cooler... and you're done.

I was checking out the minimum requirements for GTA V the other day, and it calls for a 4-core processor....

Anyway...

Minimum specifications:
OS: Windows 8.1 64-bit, Windows 8 64-bit, Windows 7 64-bit SP1, Windows Vista 64-bit SP2* (*NVIDIA video card recommended if running Vista OS)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (4 CPUs) / AMD Phenom 9850 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs) @ 2.5GHz
Memory: 4GB
Video Card: NVIDIA 9800 GT 1GB / AMD HD 4870 1GB (DirectX 10, 10.1, 11)
Sound Card: 100% DirectX 10 compatible
HDD Space: 65GB
DVD Drive

Recommended specifications:
OS: Windows 8.1 64-bit, Windows 8 64-bit, Windows 7 64-bit SP1
Processor: Intel Core i5 3470 @ 3.2GHZ (4 CPUs) / AMD X8 Ryzen 7 @ 4GHZ (8 CPUs)
Memory: 8GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GTX 660 2GB / AMD HD7870 2GB
Sound Card: 100% DirectX 10 compatible
HDD Space: 65GB
DVD Drive

http://www.rockstargames.com/newswir...d-system-specs

That’s why I said if they're going to overclock, just get an Athlon.
But maybe they won't bother. They need to decide if they actually will or not.

Quads have the edge in certain games, but an i3 holds its own.


In this clip, you've got an i3 6100 against an FX6300, both at stock. They're pretty close.
Plenty of sources show an i3 works fine for multi-core titles. Obviously, an overclocked FX8xxx or an i5 would be better.

So, overclocking an Athlon or an FXa makes sense, but if there's no overclock, there's no real advantage.

P.S.
I'm sticking to my guns: low-end Intel isn't a great upgrade path because you'll end up needing a new cooler and a beefier power supply later anyway. Plus, short-term, you're stuck with a mediocre chip on an expensive motherboard. To me, the best moves are either grabbing an Athlon (overclock it immediately, call it a day, decent enough build) or going with an i3/Pentium and then picking up a used i5 later while offloading the dual-core.
This route wouldn't cost more than an Intel upgrade because:
-A used i5 can be found for $15-$433
-You can sell the i3 for a bit, say $20 $200
-No need to buy a 120mm cooler
-You save money upfront on the motherboard and maybe the PSU.

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