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Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
It’s done. Time for metaphysics. Or rather, there is no time for metaphysics. Time is just an illusion we manufacture by switching consciousness at a slow frequency through every possible parallel reality existing simultaneously. (Multiple realities) Fine, but even metaphysics isn't really metaphysics. What people call metaphysics is actually just physics—because if the "supernatural" weren't possible, it wouldn't exist. Physics tells us that. Physics also tells us that "whatever can happen, will happen". So why not assume something for which we have practically infinite evidence? Let's take that conclusion floating in mid-air. A pattern that "floats" can also be found within natural manifestation. Consider how there are so many patterns repeating across various levels of the micro and macrocosm. There is an "ideal level," and then an idea passes through a brain—someone imagines bending metal to sail across the ocean—and over time, that idea manifests. As we evolve as collective beings—the human race learning about the world and the reality surrounding us—we've begun to encounter various paradoxes. These are points that seem contradictory because they demonstrate both sides of the coin at once; that is a distinct point, a balance point, a golden mean. Paradoxes remain under-researched. Archetypes, acting as representatives of patterns that preceded the manifestation of collective and individual human consciousness, are similarly neglected. Too many independent researchers have arrived at the exact same conclusions. Science is converging toward a single point because everyone is finding the same patterns at every level. It’s significant. It would be vital to push research further into these areas. You probably recognized most of the names—Carl Jung and Plato, as well as Lao Tzu, Buddha, and perhaps other teachers who pass down deeper knowledge of ourselves that I can't even begin to map. Newer scientific concepts are fragmented and linked. I'm not saying these theories are definitive laws, but rather that they represent the direction we must move to progress in every sense. To make science Spiritual—without dogma, driven only by curiosity and honesty.

Following this intro, I will focus solely on the Phoenix archetype: a bird that lives for about a thousand years, and when it feels the moment has come, it builds a nest, lies down, and bursts into flame. It dies in the fire... and through that fire, it transforms, turning everything old and weary into an egg... into something young, developed, strong... and more powerful than its previous form. A total transformation of shape while maintaining the continuity of consciousness.
If you follow my drift, I would begin a series of recollections, opening the drawers of the collective library of memory to grant individual manifestations of collective consciousness greater access to information.

I am Jacob Sanchez7, as the Mayan horoscope suggests. I am an aspect of balance and death/transformation. This was a direct flow of manifested ideas. It was a pleasure. 🤣
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active MemberOP
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#2 ·
If you’re genuinely curious about anything I’ve put down on paper but aren't quite sure where to start or what to ask, just go ahead. Ask. Use both sides of your brain here—consider the specific domains and different perspectives where this information lives. Everything exists within a context, and I believe I’ve managed to lay that context out pretty clearly. 😁Fortune favors the bold.
rustyranger10 rustyranger10 Newcomer
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#3 ·
Sure, it’s all very poetic when you let your thoughts wander from one hemisphere to the next—drifting through analogies of ancestral legacies and future possibilities while we sit here in this present moment, feeling all the unmistakable signs that we’ve reached the end of the road. But let’s be real: not everyone is a Phoenix... some people just perish along the way! Life is mortal and honestly, it might be better to just kick the bucket sooner rather than later—at least then you can keep living beautifully in the afterlife! Wasn't that the sentiment shared by Jesus? Everything comes with a price tag, after all... what’s your take on that?
fadedhawk33 fadedhawk33 Newcomer
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#4 ·
The Phoenix archetype is basically woven right through the fabric of alchemy.
It’s really just a way to describe the whole process—you know, that conscious transmutation thing. In Western alchemy, you go through three distinct stages—black, red, and white—to birth this new being, the "homunculus." And look, when people talk about turning iron into gold, they aren't just talking about metallurgy; it’s all an allegory for something much deeper.
Speaking of metals, there’s this fascinating Greek myth—Hesiod and Plato both touch on it—where the Golden Age of humanity gets replaced by the Silver Age, then Silver is followed by Copper, and eventually, we end up stuck in the Iron Age. It’s essentially a description of entropy, specifically how human society just breaks down over time. But here’s the kicker: the alchemical process is actually the complete reversal of that decay—it's antientropy!
Through the black stage, a person is purified from that crude iron state into copper. Then, via the red stage, they move from copper to silver, and finally, through the white stage, they reach that ultimate golden state.
Now, if you look at Eastern alchemy—check out the Secret Golden Flower, for example—they’re describing this exact same journey, just using totally different metaphors.
There’s also this really intriguing concept in New Zealand's famous works: returning to the past—which is really about sliding back onto those more favorable life paths we abandoned long ago.
So, I have to ask... could that be interpreted as a description of "antientropy"?
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Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active MemberOP
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#5 ·
Walking consciously toward death... only to realize it was just another transformation all along.

Offer death to every habit, every fear, every doubt, and every ounce of pain... grant them peace... grant them transformation...
They vanish into the flame. And we are reborn. Both figuratively and literally.
Become aware of every tiny death and every subsequent rebirth.
Realize this is happening every single moment... much like when a film strip slows down, shattering the illusion of continuity.

Sweet dreams.
Michael Gonzalez77 Michael Gonzalez77 Active Member
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#6 ·
There’s this peak stage in the spiritual evolution of cosmic beings—some call it the Transmutation Point, though you might hear it phrased differently depending on who you ask. When someone passes through this point, they stop being just a physical entity. They become enlightened, which is the only way to describe it, because at those high levels, there’s nothing else beyond that. At this stage, a person starts operating as a spiritual being—essentially acting as pure spiritual energy or part of the cosmic field. It’s an intense journey, a transformation that can be incredibly daunting and painful, but let me be clear: nobody actually dies.
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active MemberOP
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#7 ·
Michael Gonzalez77 said:There’s this peak stage in the spiritual evolution of cosmic beings—some call it the Transmutation Point, though you might hear it phrased differently depending on who you ask. When someone passes through this point, they stop being just a physical entity. They become enlightened, which is the only way to describe it, because at those high levels, there’s nothing else beyond that. At this stage, a person starts operating as a spiritual being—essentially acting as pure spiritual energy or part of the cosmic field. It’s an intense journey, a transformation that can be incredibly daunting and painful, but let me be clear: nobody actually dies.

It isn't painful, or scary, or terrible. It’s only that way if you believe it is.
Besides, we have about a thousand years to get there. And that is light-years away from the actual peak of spiritual development. 😁

But... spirituality is precisely now. I’ve noted a few Phoenix Archetypes where you can extract plenty of algorithms if you draw parallels. That’s where 'transmutation' comes into play. You realize that from every single experience—no matter how dark or uncomfortable—we can extract something that pierces through that darkness. Every experience holds potential; it’s up to us whether we tap into it. We can dwell on the negatives and impose limitations on ourselves, or we can uncover why we believe those limits exist and discover who we truly want to be. And naturally, everything is relational. No two situations are identical, no two people are the same, which means there are no "wrong" choices or bad decisions. Whatever you decide, regardless of how negative it might look initially, it can be leveraged for something profoundly positive. The only context in which something can be "wrong" is when we act against our own nature—when we pretend to be someone we aren't.

We prove who we are through our actions. Our life is the story of ourselves that we tell the world. What kind of story are you telling? What kind of story do you want to tell? Live your dreams. 🙂
Michael Gonzalez77 Michael Gonzalez77 Active Member
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#8 ·
Jacob Sanchez7 said:It isn't painful, or scary, or terrible. It’s only that way if you believe it is.
Besides, we have about a thousand years to get there. And that is light-years away from the actual peak of spiritual development. 😁

But... spirituality is precisely now. I’ve noted a few Phoenix Archetypes where you can extract plenty of algorithms if you draw parallels. That’s where 'transmutation' comes into play. You realize that from every single experience—no matter how dark or uncomfortable—we can extract something that pierces through that darkness. Every experience holds potential; it’s up to us whether we tap into it. We can dwell on the negatives and impose limitations on ourselves, or we can uncover why we believe those limits exist and discover who we truly want to be. And naturally, everything is relational. No two situations are identical, no two people are the same, which means there are no "wrong" choices or bad decisions. Whatever you decide, regardless of how negative it might look initially, it can be leveraged for something profoundly positive. The only context in which something can be "wrong" is when we act against our own nature—when we pretend to be someone we aren't.

We prove who we are through our actions. Our life is the story of ourselves that we tell the world. What kind of story are you telling? What kind of story do you want to tell? Live your dreams. 🙂

But that's not what I'm getting at. What I'm talking about is the absolute summit of spiritual growth—something incredibly rare for any human being. I think I just missed the mark with my previous point.🙂
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active MemberOP
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#9 ·
Michael Gonzalez77 said:But that's not what I'm getting at. What I'm talking about is the absolute summit of spiritual growth—something incredibly rare for any human being. I think I just missed the mark with my previous point.🙂

There is only one specific point where the physical body is lost, but let me be clear: that is neither the end nor the peak of spiritual evolution.
Michael Gonzalez77 Michael Gonzalez77 Active Member
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#10 ·
Jacob Sanchez7 said:There is only one specific point where the physical body is lost, but let me be clear: that is neither the end nor the peak of spiritual evolution.

I’m not saying that’s the finish line for someone's spiritual journey—on the contrary, it’s one of the highest achievements possible, and honestly, one of the most noble too. It’s not like you actually lose anything tangible; think of it more like a total transmutation. In that process, there's a moment where a person sheds everything—every past incarnation, the physical body, the brain, the organs—basically everything that is subject to change or could be called illusory because it isn't permanent or eternal. They do this to emerge as pure spirit. At that stage, nothing familiar remains—no aura, no physical shell. But once you reach the other side of that process, everything returns to its rightful place. The person then lives their physical life acting in perfect parallel with their spiritual energy. For them, the cosmos holds no boundaries or secrets; they can travel spiritually and connect with divine energies across the entire universe. Their spirituality becomes much larger than just the Earth Globe or the human race; it reaches a cosmic level, existing as an equal to all universal energies. Of course, they still carry the mission to help people along the way.

Anyway, I guess I really struck a nerve with this topic. 🙂
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active MemberOP
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#11 ·
Michael Gonzalez77 said:I’m not saying that’s the finish line for someone's spiritual journey—on the contrary, it’s one of the highest achievements possible, and honestly, one of the most noble too. It’s not like you actually lose anything tangible; think of it more like a total transmutation. In that process, there's a moment where a person sheds everything—every past incarnation, the physical body, the brain, the organs—basically everything that is subject to change or could be called illusory because it isn't permanent or eternal. They do this to emerge as pure spirit. At that stage, nothing familiar remains—no aura, no physical shell. But once you reach the other side of that process, everything returns to its rightful place. The person then lives their physical life acting in perfect parallel with their spiritual energy. For them, the cosmos holds no boundaries or secrets; they can travel spiritually and connect with divine energies across the entire universe. Their spirituality becomes much larger than just the Earth Globe or the human race; it reaches a cosmic level, existing as an equal to all universal energies. Of course, they still carry the mission to help people along the way.

Anyway, I guess I really struck a nerve with this topic. 🙂

We all have the capacity to do everything you described; we’ve simply forgotten how. The limitations we impose on ourselves exist solely so we can consciously choose who we want to be. This is all just a game, though it operates far beyond the spectrum of the human mindframe. And goodness knows, spirituality isn't something meant to hold "value" in the way we think. 🤣
Michael Gonzalez77 Michael Gonzalez77 Active Member
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#12 ·
Jacob Sanchez7 said:We all have the capacity to do everything you described; we’ve simply forgotten how. The limitations we impose on ourselves exist solely so we can consciously choose who we want to be. This is all just a game, though it operates far beyond the spectrum of the human mindframe. And goodness knows, spirituality isn't something meant to hold "value" in the way we think. 🤣

Theoretically, we can, 🙂 but it’s like saying anyone can become a millionaire—sure, in theory, but the practical reality feels a lot different.

Spirituality definitely holds weight when you look at its effectiveness—specifically how it allows us to participate in what we call the spiritual realm. I see spirituality as an active engagement with something much larger than a single human life or the temporary existence of our species. We're talking about the entire cosmos. Aside from the spiritual dimension, there isn't a single speck of matter or a single organized habitat out there that isn't part of this bigger picture.
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active MemberOP
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#13 ·
Look, we’ll get to that eventually. When the time comes, everything will be crystal clear. 😁

This topic is about putting knowledge into practice in your daily life.
Higher vibrations are becoming increasingly present on the Earth Globe. That’s why you need to write down your dreams as often as possible. That’s why you need to consciously narrate your own story. That’s why we need to become the people we actually want to be. Follow your highest excitement in every single moment. (I mean, you don't *have* to, but if you're feeling lost, this might help you find your way 🤷).

This is a subject centered on practice derived from "spiritual theory." 😁
One could even say the first two posts were channeled. I have things like that happen to me on Twitter all the time :3
A lot of things happen to me, for sure. 🤣
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active MemberOP
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#14 ·
Every single ritual, every substance, every meditation, and every mantra serves as nothing more than a permission slip. They are ways we grant ourselves leave to become more of what we already are—to reclaim what we’ve lost during this low-vibration journey. But there’s a trade-off: the experience of forgetting always brings the experience of rediscovery. A rebirth. And every such rebirth is made richer by everything we've endured before. Phoenix Archetype.

Spiritual practices are merely "excuses." In and of themselves, they do absolutely nothing. They only gain power when we choose to invest our own strength into them. Of course, given where we are and the illusion of reality we've constructed, nobody is stopping us from using these techniques—these excuses—as tools for remembrance. The only thing that matters is that we never forget: the true power resides within us. There is no hierarchy of "spirituality" when using these methods, provided we understand that it's all just a game 🙂
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Because of how the mind is wired and how the ego is programmed, the more incredible a technique is—the more it feels "outside the head" or "illogical"—the better its chances of actually working. We use these "crazy" methods to bypass the analytical mind, finally allowing ourselves to be who we truly are. Self-sufficiency happens when we stop fighting the ego and start talking to it. When the ego becomes a friend, a partner, an ally. That is when Ananda follows. No bypassing required. No need for struggle. Just being.

And while the life of the Phoenix is a powerful symbol of transformation, let's not forget one thing: it is also... just another technique. 😉
Jeremy Brooks6 Jeremy Brooks6 Member
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#15 ·
Jacob Sanchez7 said:Walking consciously toward death... only to realize it was just another transformation all along.

Offer death to every habit, every fear, every doubt, and every ounce of pain... grant them peace... grant them transformation...
They vanish into the flame. And we are reborn. Both figuratively and literally.
Become aware of every tiny death and every subsequent rebirth.
Realize this is happening every single moment... much like when a film strip slows down, shattering the illusion of continuity.

Sweet dreams.

Looking at your signature regarding the protests against Walmart: are you actually the founder of that Facebook group that pops up every few months—sort of like a Phoenix rising from the ashes—but somehow never manages to grow past 200 members?
I personally don't think real change is ever that loud; it usually happens spontaneously when enough individuals quietly cross things off their lists.
Anyway, I wish you luck with your boycott: I’d love to be proven wrong and see you hit 200,000 members.
All the best until next time.
👋
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active MemberOP
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#16 ·
I’m not doing anything more than sharing information. Just spreading awareness, really. 🙂
hiddenbear3 hiddenbear3 Active Member
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#17 ·
The Phoenix archetype really serves as a profound reflection of how hollow a human life can become when pure intellect takes over, completely stripping away all emotion. It’s almost a logical conclusion that such an existence would crave its own end—a way to clear the slate so that the intellect might finally get a second chance in the next life to actually find balance, perhaps by attempting to merge with feeling, for instance

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