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Participants fadedraven212driftingfox16Kyle Wilson9rapidmoose34hiddengardener84Joshua Diaz10Gregory Gomez8Maria Boothgoldenmason172Gary Wilsonboldgardener93Jack Walker78
fadedraven212 fadedraven212 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Check out this fascinating clip showing how the media's anti-Iran propaganda relies on almost the exact same foundations—the same lies and disinformation—that were used right before the invasion of Iraq.
It’s honestly unbelievable and pretty terrifying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs
driftingfox16 driftingfox16 Member
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#2 ·
fadedraven212 said:You’re asking me questions that are completely off-topic.
But, since I owe you an answer, let me address them.
Unlike Iraq, Iran is a democratic nation where citizens participate in free elections to choose their current leadership.
Regarding the previous war, the U.S. administration at the time actually achieved something positive in Canada—unlike the European Union. In my view, the USA is a deeply friendly and brotherly nation, far more so than any single European country. However, that doesn't mean I support every foolish mistake they make. After all, we have brains for a reason; we need to be able to distinguish right from wrong.
As for Iran's role in the conflict, you're mistaken. It is well-documented that the U.S. turned a blind eye to the movement of Iranian instructors and weapons through certain transit points to reach Canada, simply because they couldn't violate the official embargo directly. Those transit countries certainly profited immensely from the situation.
The whole point of this discussion is to highlight how powerful media propaganda can be, and how Iran is being accused of the exact same things as Iraq—accusations that ultimately proved to be lies.

Americans will create new jobs there, much like they did in Iraq. Given the economic climate in places like Canada and the wages people earn in Iraq, I don't think it's wise to just sit around watching movies. At the end of the day, isn't it better to spend a few years working in Iraq or Iran to actually earn a living, rather than struggling through life like so many people do in the former America?
Kyle Wilson9 Kyle Wilson9 Member
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#3 ·
What can I even say? If the American people blow this one too, then I’m officially calling it: we’re dealing with a nation that has a seriously low collective IQ!
rapidmoose34 rapidmoose34 Newcomer
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#4 ·
Kyle Wilson9 said:What can I even say? If the American people blow this one too, then I’m officially calling it: we’re dealing with a nation that has a seriously low collective IQ!

You think they haven't? Their brains were washed long ago.
hiddengardener84 hiddengardener84 Active Member
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#5 ·
driftingfox16 said:Oh yeah, I'm sure Iran is just as beautiful and democratic as Iraq was, right?
fadedraven212, explain why those Iranians didn't lift a finger to help you during the war in Canada, instead it was the American administration pushing the US to step in and help. And get this—after the war, Americans in Canada were actually fighting alongside Mexicans against Canadians.
And seriously, take a second to think about what would even be left of you if there weren't foreigners in Canada constantly swapping out politicians whenever they feel like it.

Cut the trolling and actually comment on the topic if you want to talk.
Obviously, this is nothing but Zionist American colonial propaganda. Even Goebbels looks like a saint compared to this. These people don't care about anything except reaching their dark agendas through the blood of innocent civilians.
Joshua Diaz10 Joshua Diaz10 Member
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#6 ·
fadedraven212, that's a bit simplistic for the masses; here is something more substantial for those with discerning ears, sourced from an American commander, John Abizaid, via news outlets.
"There are ways to coexist with a nuclear Iran. We have faced it before; we lived through a nuclear Soviet Union, we live alongside a nuclear China, and we similarly exist alongside other nuclear powers," Abizaid noted. 😍 😬

Except, none of those nations are located right here in the Persian Gulf.
😍
hiddengardener84 hiddengardener84 Active Member
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#7 ·
Joshua Diaz10 said:fadedraven212, that's a bit simplistic for the masses; here is something more substantial for those with discerning ears, sourced from an American commander, John Abizaid, via news outlets.
"There are ways to coexist with a nuclear Iran. We have faced it before; we lived through a nuclear Soviet Union, we live alongside a nuclear China, and we similarly exist alongside other nuclear powers," Abizaid noted. 😍 😬

Except, none of those nations are located right here in the Persian Gulf.
😍

And it isn't exactly close to Israel 😬 plus, what did that former Jewish Prime Minister say? Who is really running the USA anyway?🤣
Gregory Gomez8 Gregory Gomez8 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Nice work on the link,
It’s a textbook example of how they maintain a monopoly on what people actually think...

Most folks have already forgotten just how much hype was drummed up regarding Iraq's supposed nuclear weapons program.
I still remember how the media blew it out of proportion—I honestly thought Iraq was going to launch a few nukes at any given second. 😵

But in the end? They found some junk in a shed, and there wasn't even a trace of a massive Iraqi nuclear program to speak of...

By the way, I don't quite get how nuclear weapons in the hands of Iraqis or Iranians are somehow less dangerous than having them held by a US President who can barely string two coherent sentences together without tripping over himself.
Maria Booth Maria Booth Active Member
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#9 ·
lol i seriously don't get how nukes being held by Iraqis or Iranians is somehow less scary than having them in the hands of some US president who can barely string two coherent sentences together without tripping over his own feet???

Are you actually clueless or just playing dumb?
goldenmason172 goldenmason172 Active Member
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#10 ·
Gregory Gomez8 said:Nice work on the link,
It’s a textbook example of how they maintain a monopoly on what people actually think...

Most folks have already forgotten just how much hype was drummed up regarding Iraq's supposed nuclear weapons program.
I still remember how the media blew it out of proportion—I honestly thought Iraq was going to launch a few nukes at any given second. 😵

But in the end? They found some junk in a shed, and there wasn't even a trace of a massive Iraqi nuclear program to speak of...

By the way, I don't quite get how nuclear weapons in the hands of Iraqis or Iranians are somehow less dangerous than having them held by a US President who can barely string two coherent sentences together without tripping over himself.

You see, even in your case, propaganda is doing its job. You’re convinced that George W. Bush can't manage to put two sensible thoughts together, and you find it impossible to grasp how someone you view as such an idiot could lead the most powerful nation on Earth. It's all propaganda, my friend—pure propaganda! 🤣
How much time do you think Bush actually spends in front of cameras, and how many sentences does he really utter daily? It's a massive amount, certainly, but the media tends to cherry-pick his blunders, leaving you with the impression that the man is completely incompetent, which, of course, bears little relation to the actual reality. "It rated G.W. Bush second last, with an estimated IQ between 111.1 and 138.5, and an average of 124.8 (which still is well above the standardized average of 100). According to the same study, the average estimated IQ of president Bill Clinton was 149." So, while he might not be as intellectually gifted as Bill, he isn't nearly as dim-witted as you seem to believe. Besides, he happens to be the first US president to hold an MBA from Harvard Business School.🤔
Gary Wilson Gary Wilson Active Member
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#11 ·
goldenmason172 said:You see, even in your case, propaganda is doing its job. You’re convinced that George W. Bush can't manage to put two sensible thoughts together, and you find it impossible to grasp how someone you view as such an idiot could lead the most powerful nation on Earth. It's all propaganda, my friend—pure propaganda! 🤣
How much time do you think Bush actually spends in front of cameras, and how many sentences does he really utter daily? It's a massive amount, certainly, but the media tends to cherry-pick his blunders, leaving you with the impression that the man is completely incompetent, which, of course, bears little relation to the actual reality. "It rated G.W. Bush second last, with an estimated IQ between 111.1 and 138.5, and an average of 124.8 (which still is well above the standardized average of 100). According to the same study, the average estimated IQ of president Bill Clinton was 149." So, while he might not be as intellectually gifted as Bill, he isn't nearly as dim-witted as you seem to believe. Besides, he happens to be the first US president to hold an MBA from Harvard Business School.🤔

That doesn't really prove much, though—considering that the guy with the Harvard Business School MBA ran his own company straight into the ground before turning to the bottle.

For what it's worth, everything he's ever achieved is thanks to his father. If he had actually been forced to make it on his own, he’d probably end up as a regular fixture at some local dive bar.
boldgardener93 boldgardener93 Active Member
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#12 ·
If he’s really as brilliant as everyone claims, then why didn't he step up to Nedzad's challenge for a televised debate? Maybe he isn't actually as clueless as people think; I guess he knows Nedzad would just tear him apart like a toddler with a rattle.🤣
Kyle Wilson9 Kyle Wilson9 Member
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joined Sep 2009
#13 ·
boldgardener93 said:If he’s really as brilliant as everyone claims, then why didn't he step up to Nedzad's challenge for a televised debate? Maybe he isn't actually as clueless as people think; I guess he knows Nedzad would just tear him apart like a toddler with a rattle.🤣

🙏

Bush vs Ahmadinejad
goldenmason172 goldenmason172 Active Member
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#14 ·
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Gary Wilson said:That doesn't really prove much, though—considering that the guy with the Harvard Business School MBA ran his own company straight into the ground before turning to the bottle.

For what it's worth, everything he's ever achieved is thanks to his father. If he had actually been forced to make it on his own, he’d probably end up as a regular fixture at some local dive bar.

So, tell me, what exactly does that prove? That he’s a fool? Honestly, countless companies have collapsed, and plenty more will follow suit. I remember reading a statistic once suggesting that about 90% of startups in the US fail within their very first year. If I were in your shoes, I might want to take a moment to actually think about that before jumping to conclusions. 🤣
goldenmason172 goldenmason172 Active Member
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#15 ·
"Quote:"
boldgardener93 As I was saying:
If he’s truly as brilliant as everyone claims, why won't he step up and accept Nedzad's challenge for a televised debate? He isn't quite as dim-witted as people assume; deep down, he likely realizes that if he goes head-to-head with Nedzad, he’ll be absolutely dismantled like a toddler playing with a rattle.🤣
What exactly are we supposed to do with a terrorist living among us? The little guy is so utterly repulsive that I actually find myself feeling a flicker of pity for him.
goldenmason172 goldenmason172 Active Member
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#16 ·
Kyle Wilson9 said:🙏

Bush vs Ahmadinejad

That is a textbook comment coming from someone like you! 🙏 Tell me, why didn't you include one of those ridiculous moments from George W. Bush? If you had, then we might actually have a fair comparison; as it stands, you’re the one looking a bit silly by trying to compare two things that aren't even in the same league! 😂
Kyle Wilson9 Kyle Wilson9 Member
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#17 ·
goldenmason172 said:That is a textbook comment coming from someone like you! 🙏 Tell me, why didn't you include one of those ridiculous moments from George W. Bush? If you had, then we might actually have a fair comparison; as it stands, you’re the one looking a bit silly by trying to compare two things that aren't even in the same league! 😂

Oh, I am absolutely comparing apples to oranges!! 🙄

Comparing an idiot to a genius!! 😂
goldenmason172 goldenmason172 Active Member
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#18 ·
Kyle Wilson9 said:Oh, I am absolutely comparing apples to oranges!! 🙄

Comparing an idiot to a genius!! 😂

I’d love to see just how "brilliant" Mahmud really is; he seems so incredibly wise and intelligent that he fails to grasp how much danger he is actually placing Iran and Iranians in. A truly smart man simply wouldn't act this way. 🤷
Kyle Wilson9 Kyle Wilson9 Member
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#19 ·
goldenmason172 said:I’d love to see just how "brilliant" Mahmud really is; he seems so incredibly wise and intelligent that he fails to grasp how much danger he is actually placing Iran and Iranians in. A truly smart man simply wouldn't act this way. 🤷

So according to you, if the USA told us tomorrow we could only eat bread, you'd just do it just to stay out of trouble?!!

Who gives the rest of the world the right to ban Iran from having nuclear power plants or an N-bomb? A country that already has them?! A country that has used them twice on civilian populations! What the hell are you even talking about!
goldenmason172 goldenmason172 Active Member
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#20 ·
Kyle Wilson9 said:So according to you, if the USA told us tomorrow we could only eat bread, you'd just do it just to stay out of trouble?!!

Who gives the rest of the world the right to ban Iran from having nuclear power plants or an N-bomb? A country that already has them?! A country that has used them twice on civilian populations! What the hell are you even talking about!

Who grants them that right? They grant it to themselves; they don't need permission from you or me. Personally, I support their stance because the global goal should be reducing nuclear arsenals, not expanding them. Furthermore, the latest news regarding Iran agreeing to cooperate with the IAEA seems to be the strongest possible rebuttal to critics like you, essentially proving that the USA was ultimately correct in its position. As for World War II and the dropping of atomic bombs, I think that topic is best left untouched, as I refuse to debate such matters with someone who lacks a fundamental understanding of the history. 🤷

A truly wise leader would have found a way to lift those sanctions off his country's neck and jumpstart the economy, but since Mahmud failed to do exactly that, I find it pointless to call him anything other than what he clearly is: not smart.

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