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slycyclist342 slycyclist342 MemberOP
49 messages
joined Jan 2016
#1 ·
Just a quick little introduction to start things off.
As you can see from my history on Reddit, I've been an active user since 2007 with over 7,500 posts under my belt. This happens to be my very first contribution to this specific sub-forum.

I’ve been hanging around this DIY subreddit for about ten days now, mostly because I'm weighing my options for building a backyard BBQ pit and wanted to pick up some expert advice.
In just ten days of posting over there, I’ve racked up more warnings, penalty points, and deleted posts than I did in the fourteen years prior to that. 🙏
I just checked my stats—fourteen years on this platform and over 7,500 posts later, I've managed to rack up exactly one 25-point warning.

I believe that, in and of itself, suggests that something here is fundamentally broken.

A brief chronology (I realize it’s lengthy, though I have condensed it significantly).

I'll start by asking about a specific construction method: instead of using full brick and concrete—which is how 99% of builders here in the States do it—what if we used aerated concrete blocks and metal sheeting?

One particular user is being quite aggressive toward our dear moderator, claiming that this won't look like anything at all... blah, blah, blah.
I'm trying to explain to him that I'll be using those materials since it's going on the balcony or patio, and they're much lighter.

The moderator should step in here, because running a grill in your backyard is a completely different story than keeping one on a balcony. 🙏
Some posts are being deleted, while others are being moved over to the "tin roast" thread.

Fair enough.

I’m going to keep asking which specific brand makes a decent spit, and if anyone drops a blatant advertisement in the comments, it should be deleted immediately.
The moderator is deleting my posts and handing out penalty points just because I’m trying to run an advertisement.

Fair enough if that's the rule, but honestly, there are a ton of product links from all sorts of different companies here.
It doesn't matter; let's move on. I'm not going to react, nor am I going to get angry.

I was just wondering what I should use to build a bar for my outdoor kitchen next to the BBQ pit—I’ve already kind of mapped out a design in my head where the bar extends right off the side of the grill station.

I’ve gone through the list of topics three times now, and I still can't find anything remotely similar to this in any of the other threads.
I’m starting a thread about outdoor kitchens, but I keep getting hit with deletions and penalty points because apparently, I "didn't read the list of approved topics."

I asked a question in the chat thread about outdoor kitchens, only to be told that such topics belong in the section for bakers and bread ovens. 🤣

So, apparently, the BBQ setup planned for the backyard needs its own separate thread from the terrace grill, yet I'm getting flagged because I didn't realize the outdoor kitchen belongs in the same category as the wood-fired oven—I guess they're considered the same thing now. 🤣

Alright, let's keep this moving.
I’m asking the question: why is nobody building concrete stoves using the Fert design when everyone else just pours standard concrete? I'll outline a few reasons why the Fert method actually holds some serious advantages.

The moderator keeps deleting replies and claiming that questions are mere provocations or just plain stupid.

And also. That's a lie. How was that question previously addressed?

No response provided.I've read all 250 pages cover to cover, and there isn't a single mention of using fertilizer on the slab anywhere. No one has raised the question, nor has anyone suggested such an idea. Since this is new material to me, I’m genuinely asking: is there some kind of flaw in this specific method of construction?
Just to clear the air: I’ll likely go ahead with that roasting method. Everyone I ask says it sounds like a solid plan, even if none of them have actually seen it done before.

To make matters worse, the moderator sent me a private message claiming they issued the penalty because I "failed to include an introduction." 🤣
What kind of divine introduction is that for such a mundane question?
After my private message, they tell me they "don't need to provide any explanations."

Let's keep moving.
Since there were some deleted responses in the pottery thread earlier, I’m asking him here in the chat to clarify the difference between laminated wool—which he mentioned before his posts kept getting pulled—and mineral wool.
It’s pointless to bring up where his deleted replies went; there’s no sense in me jumping back into a conversation that was already wiped out.

It appears that this question remains unresolved, much like how all the previous responses have been deleted without any explanation provided. 🤣
So, apparently, discussing different types of wool is strictly forbidden in the chat thread. 🙏
(I actually received a response in the chat regarding this from two other members in the meantime, so hvala to them.)

Question: Is this forum essentially his private playground, which would explain why he acts this way?

Having served as a moderator back on my old US message boards, it never would have crossed my mind to behave toward people this manner.
To be clear, I certainly wouldn't dream of calling users "primadonnas" or "narcissists," as he does, nor would I tell someone their questions are stupid or lie to them by claiming a question has already been asked just to justify deleting it.

Moving on—why did things blow up just now?
I asked a perfectly standard question: "What’s the best way to cut a solid brick? Should I use an angle grinder, or is there something better?"

And people provided perfectly reasonable answers. Some suggested the angle grinder (and it was helpful that they specified WHICH GRINDING DISC to use), noting that if I have a large quantity, I should probably get a wet saw. It was also a very useful tip to suggest soaking the brick in water before cutting.
(Perhaps there were even more responses I missed, which is why I decided to repeat the question in the chat thread.)

Then, the moderator comes along, DELETES THE QUESTION AND ALL THE RESPONSES, and hands me a strike for "trolling."🙏

Look, I haven't literally held a solid brick in my hands before; I've always worked with other materials. My basic reasoning for asking was simply to see if there's some fundamental or obvious method I'm unaware of (and I didn't see anyone else ask it either).

And this legend goes ahead and wipes everything out and issues a strike. 🙏
It is blatantly obvious that he wouldn't bother deleting it if I hadn't posted it, or if it had been posted by any of the other members currently on his "blacklist" (and yes, I see there are quite a few).

So, gentlemen, I am asking you to please take action.

If it means anything to you, I am not the only one dealing with this "issue," as I mentioned earlier.

A few others have reached out to offer support. While it isn't the main point, it serves as further evidence that you should look into what's happening on this forum.

hvala

p.s.
While it's not central to my post, I should mention that I spent about a week reading through those 250 pages specifically so I wouldn't look unprofessional or ask questions that had already been answered five times, thereby avoiding annoying anyone. I know that personally, that kind of thing would drive me crazy.
One should put in the effort to read up on a subject if they want to know something.
Instead, I was seemingly bluffed by this individual, who claimed the question had "already been answered."
mellowraven8 mellowraven8 Active Member
51 messages
joined Feb 2013
#2 ·
That "expert" is the sole reason I don't write more seriously on the Adobe PDF. It’s not just me either.

Giving someone a moderator title doesn't turn a plumber into a rational intellectual; all it does is drive the actual users away with their irrational behavior.

To me, he's just the same primitive, self-important guy whose greatest life achievement was a single post "how to change a cartridge on a single-handle faucet" (his own 😁). On that same thread (the BBQ lounge), he burned through so many posts and bans because I was "writing too much"—which, honestly, the BBQ thread turned out fine—and he completely trashed the discussion about SSM sustainable living (using well water, solar power, food, and tourism income) for minimal investment...

That topic actually should have been a huge hit everywhere, but clearly not here. Whatever.

We're talking about a subject that hits all the vital marks—construction, water, electricity, automation, agriculture—everything aligned with the SSM direction and the core principles of the PDF. But to him, I guess that was... too much.

I actually built what I started writing about... it's just that nobody (thanks to our "expert") sees it. And they won't.

@slycyclist342 - I'll send you those SSM-related files you asked for. Let's get through this Christmas madness first, and besides, your inbox is already slammed.
slycyclist342 slycyclist342 MemberOP
49 messages
joined Jan 2016
#3 ·
Oh, I didn't even notice my inbox was full
The moderator filled it up with warnings and bans 🤣

Well, I wasn't aware this was an issue regarding inactivity... I suppose that means you haven't posted because you haven't uploaded any photos yet 🤔

It isn't an issue; just send them whenever you get around to it. You know how it goes when you're working on a project—you have three hundred different ideas swirling in your head at once, so I have to sit down and figure out exactly how everything fits together 😁
Whether the cable should go in front or off to the side, and so on

If I recall correctly, that moderator calling someone a "narcissist" was directed at you, so I assumed there was some sort of friction there, though I didn't realize things had become quite this serious

Honestly, it’s just absurd. As I mentioned before, you put together what is arguably the best BBQ post in this entire thread—and the competition here is actually quite fierce—providing such a detailed breakdown of your process, only for the moderator to step in trying to enforce some arbitrary sense of justice. It makes no sense to sideline a user who is clearly the gold standard for this topic and simply let them write
mellowraven8 mellowraven8 Active Member
51 messages
joined Feb 2013
#4 ·
Exactly.

I actually intended to write a step-by-step guide on building my smoker—partly to show others how it's done, and partly so I could spot any mistakes in my own build and fix them... but this guy has deleted and trashed so many of my posts that I've lost all motivation to write anything here.

So, I went ahead and deleted the rest of the photos myself; there’s no point in having some shots without the full set.

I did finish the smoker, though (it wasn't quite done back 🙈)

image

Then I gave up on the Adobe PDF stuff for a year and started a thread about my self-sustaining homestead, only to run into the exact same thing. They deleted my thread, moved it to some stupid sub-forum, and then had the nerve to lecture me on what I can and can't post.

It’s ridiculous.

I'm the author; if anyone wants the idea, they can have it for free.

I posted some pictures of the smoker again a while back—just to show people who were asking. I guess something caught someone's eye because it actually turned out pretty decent.

The post is still up, and I haven't even been penalized yet. Strange.

But yeah, I'm genuinely frustrated by how he acts, and I'm surprised nobody else seems to care.

And I know I've got plenty more capable projects lined up (more than just a smoker) .....for instance, the last project I shared on the local forum
slycyclist342 slycyclist342 MemberOP
49 messages
joined Jan 2016
#5 ·
In case anyone is interested, I asked him to explain how this lever works (it’s the handle used to lift the dough) because I haven't seen anyone design it quite like this before; typically, the whole mechanism is exposed

Well, looking at this second project now, I might actually have more questions since I'm struggling with my own heating regulation issues😁

But, we've drifted into off-topic territory, as our favorite moderator would say... I just hope someone responsible decides to chime in soon☕

edit : I see that the king of all moderators has just deleted my post about cutting bricks🤣

So, apparently, you aren't allowed to chat about cutting bricks in the "DIY Enthusiast" forum chat room🤣🤣 🤣 🤣

I guess I'll have to ask him to provide an official list of approved topics versus forbidden ones for the chat area

edit2 : I can't even ask him, because after deleting the post, he went ahead and locked the entire chat thread (likely a temporary measure, given his habit of locking things whenever he gets annoyed)
This is quite a spectacle🙏🙏
dustywalker25 dustywalker25 Newcomer
4 messages
joined May 2004
#6 ·
I have to agree; he seems to have lost his grip on reality, though it hardly matters in the grand scheme of things. As someone who has been observing and participating in online discussions since the early days of the internet back in 2003—long before most of today’s commenters were even born—it strikes me that this individual is entirely out of place in such a setting. It isn't personal, nor is it particularly significant, but perhaps if he would just take a moment to reflect and step aside, we might actually find something worth reading on that Adobe PDF again.
Emily Myers8 Emily Myers8 Active Member
51 messages
joined Jun 2017
#7 ·
Robert Martin23 has this little circle of forum regulars whose opinions have been set in stone for a century, while everyone else is just background noise.
Someone like mellowraven8 is a rare find on these threads. I’ve always been all for the creatives—people with actual ideas and good vibes who share what they know for free. Honestly, that’s the whole reason I joined this forum.
Unfortunately, this particular moderator caused so much chaos in my threads twice now that it was just easier for him to ban me for no damn reason. First, it was a six-month lockout, then a year-long ban out of nowhere. No warnings, no strikes, nothing. Just a bunch of yes-men feeding him whatever he wants to hear just to get rid of me.
He even locked a thread for a few days while he "investigated," claiming everyone's opinion matters and that provided evidence should be taken seriously.
I’ve pointed out specific examples countless times, but it never leads anywhere.
I even reached out to rustydrifter10, but nothing happened—just to get a DM the next day saying they were looking into a partial fix for me. Like Robert Martin23 actually thinks I’m going to come begging.
I’m calling on the administration if you actually want this forum to grow, embrace new perspectives, and respect the progress we've made over the years. If you want any semblance of democracy here, you need to strip Robert Martin23 of these responsibilities; he simply isn't up to the task.
When I participate in other threads where Robert Martin23 isn't hovering, it's just like mellowraven8's experience—I've never once felt a moderator breathing down our necks or reacting to what we write.
If a moderator needs to chime in on a thread, they should do it under a different name. Right now, this guy is just using his position to play favorites.
Anthony Ross Anthony Ross Newcomer
6 messages
joined Aug 2015
#8 ·
The moderation on this subforum is pretty trash, and honestly, their weird little rules clash with the general site rules so much that it’s been killing any actual conversation for a long time now...
wearybison63 wearybison63 Active Member
60 messages
joined May 2021
#9 ·
slycyclist342 said:Just a quick little introduction to start things off.
As you can see from my history on Reddit, I've been an active user since 2007 with over 7,500 posts under my belt. This happens to be my very first contribution to this specific sub-forum.

I’ve been hanging around this DIY subreddit for about ten days now, mostly because I'm weighing my options for building a backyard BBQ pit and wanted to pick up some expert advice.
In just ten days of posting over there, I’ve racked up more warnings, penalty points, and deleted posts than I did in the fourteen years prior to that. 🙏
I just checked my stats—fourteen years on this platform and over 7,500 posts later, I've managed to rack up exactly one 25-point warning.

I believe that, in and of itself, suggests that something here is fundamentally broken.

A brief chronology (I realize it’s lengthy, though I have condensed it significantly).

I'll start by asking about a specific construction method: instead of using full brick and concrete—which is how 99% of builders here in the States do it—what if we used aerated concrete blocks and metal sheeting?

One particular user is being quite aggressive toward our dear moderator, claiming that this won't look like anything at all... blah, blah, blah.
I'm trying to explain to him that I'll be using those materials since it's going on the balcony or patio, and they're much lighter.

The moderator should step in here, because running a grill in your backyard is a completely different story than keeping one on a balcony. 🙏
Some posts are being deleted, while others are being moved over to the "tin roast" thread.

Fair enough.

I’m going to keep asking which specific brand makes a decent spit, and if anyone drops a blatant advertisement in the comments, it should be deleted immediately.
The moderator is deleting my posts and handing out penalty points just because I’m trying to run an advertisement.

Fair enough if that's the rule, but honestly, there are a ton of product links from all sorts of different companies here.
It doesn't matter; let's move on. I'm not going to react, nor am I going to get angry.

I was just wondering what I should use to build a bar for my outdoor kitchen next to the BBQ pit—I’ve already kind of mapped out a design in my head where the bar extends right off the side of the grill station.

I’ve gone through the list of topics three times now, and I still can't find anything remotely similar to this in any of the other threads.
I’m starting a thread about outdoor kitchens, but I keep getting hit with deletions and penalty points because apparently, I "didn't read the list of approved topics."

I asked a question in the chat thread about outdoor kitchens, only to be told that such topics belong in the section for bakers and bread ovens. 🤣

So, apparently, the BBQ setup planned for the backyard needs its own separate thread from the terrace grill, yet I'm getting flagged because I didn't realize the outdoor kitchen belongs in the same category as the wood-fired oven—I guess they're considered the same thing now. 🤣

Alright, let's keep this moving.
I’m asking the question: why is nobody building concrete stoves using the Fert design when everyone else just pours standard concrete? I'll outline a few reasons why the Fert method actually holds some serious advantages.

The moderator keeps deleting replies and claiming that questions are mere provocations or just plain stupid.

And also. That's a lie. How was that question previously addressed?

No response provided.I've read all 250 pages cover to cover, and there isn't a single mention of using fertilizer on the slab anywhere. No one has raised the question, nor has anyone suggested such an idea. Since this is new material to me, I’m genuinely asking: is there some kind of flaw in this specific method of construction?
Just to clear the air: I’ll likely go ahead with that roasting method. Everyone I ask says it sounds like a solid plan, even if none of them have actually seen it done before.

To make matters worse, the moderator sent me a private message claiming they issued the penalty because I "failed to include an introduction." 🤣
What kind of divine introduction is that for such a mundane question?
After my private message, they tell me they "don't need to provide any explanations."

Let's keep moving.
Since there were some deleted responses in the pottery thread earlier, I’m asking him here in the chat to clarify the difference between laminated wool—which he mentioned before his posts kept getting pulled—and mineral wool.
It’s pointless to bring up where his deleted replies went; there’s no sense in me jumping back into a conversation that was already wiped out.

It appears that this question remains unresolved, much like how all the previous responses have been deleted without any explanation provided. 🤣
So, apparently, discussing different types of wool is strictly forbidden in the chat thread. 🙏
(I actually received a response in the chat regarding this from two other members in the meantime, so hvala to them.)

Question: Is this forum essentially his private playground, which would explain why he acts this way?

Having served as a moderator back on my old US message boards, it never would have crossed my mind to behave toward people this manner.
To be clear, I certainly wouldn't dream of calling users "primadonnas" or "narcissists," as he does, nor would I tell someone their questions are stupid or lie to them by claiming a question has already been asked just to justify deleting it.

Moving on—why did things blow up just now?
I asked a perfectly standard question: "What’s the best way to cut a solid brick? Should I use an angle grinder, or is there something better?"

And people provided perfectly reasonable answers. Some suggested the angle grinder (and it was helpful that they specified WHICH GRINDING DISC to use), noting that if I have a large quantity, I should probably get a wet saw. It was also a very useful tip to suggest soaking the brick in water before cutting.
(Perhaps there were even more responses I missed, which is why I decided to repeat the question in the chat thread.)

Then, the moderator comes along, DELETES THE QUESTION AND ALL THE RESPONSES, and hands me a strike for "trolling."🙏

Look, I haven't literally held a solid brick in my hands before; I've always worked with other materials. My basic reasoning for asking was simply to see if there's some fundamental or obvious method I'm unaware of (and I didn't see anyone else ask it either).

And this legend goes ahead and wipes everything out and issues a strike. 🙏
It is blatantly obvious that he wouldn't bother deleting it if I hadn't posted it, or if it had been posted by any of the other members currently on his "blacklist" (and yes, I see there are quite a few).

So, gentlemen, I am asking you to please take action.

If it means anything to you, I am not the only one dealing with this "issue," as I mentioned earlier.

A few others have reached out to offer support. While it isn't the main point, it serves as further evidence that you should look into what's happening on this forum.

hvala

p.s.
While it's not central to my post, I should mention that I spent about a week reading through those 250 pages specifically so I wouldn't look unprofessional or ask questions that had already been answered five times, thereby avoiding annoying anyone. I know that personally, that kind of thing would drive me crazy.
One should put in the effort to read up on a subject if they want to know something.
Instead, I was seemingly bluffed by this individual, who claimed the question had "already been answered."

From where I'm sitting, that looks like a bit more than just a single 25-point warning...☕
Robert Martin23 Robert Martin23 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Jan 2014
#10 ·
It seems everyone who refuses to follow the Adobe PDF SSM guidelines has suddenly decided they are the ultimate authority on the matter... If the users listed below are actually correct, then there would be no need for rules in the first place.

I have no intention of justifying my actions, as such discussions rarely lead to anything productive... Had these individuals simply taken the time to read and adhere to the instructions—which are quite clearly displayed—their arbitrary behavior wouldn't be an issue. I have wasted far too much time attempting to explain things and offer persuasion to those who refuse to listen.

The administration maintains a very clear oversight of all posts, and frankly, I have nothing left to say... It is quite convenient how the users mentioned below feel so comfortable sharing their "opinions" regarding other members of this community.
No, there is just no point in continuing this...
slycyclist342 slycyclist342 MemberOP
49 messages
joined Jan 2016
#11 ·
wearybison63 said:From where I'm sitting, that looks like a bit more than just a single 25-point warning...☕

All I see is this. 🤔
image

Maybe something happened earlier that I just can't see on my end—though you might be able to—but honestly, I don't recall anything at all, so I'm not convinced there was anything significant to begin with.

If you feel like there is anything actually relevant to add to this discussion, feel free to post it. I truly have nothing against doing so.
slycyclist342 slycyclist342 MemberOP
49 messages
joined Jan 2016
#12 ·
Robert Martin23 said:It seems everyone who refuses to follow the Adobe PDF SSM guidelines has suddenly decided they are the ultimate authority on the matter... If the users listed below are actually correct, then there would be no need for rules in the first place.

I have no intention of justifying my actions, as such discussions rarely lead to anything productive... Had these individuals simply taken the time to read and adhere to the instructions—which are quite clearly displayed—their arbitrary behavior wouldn't be an issue. I have wasted far too much time attempting to explain things and offer persuasion to those who refuse to listen.

The administration maintains a very clear oversight of all posts, and frankly, I have nothing left to say... It is quite convenient how the users mentioned below feel so comfortable sharing their "opinions" regarding other members of this community.
No, there is just no point in continuing this...

Exactly, don't bother explaining anything.
You just deleted my post and handed me 25 penalty points for absolutely nothing (claiming a violation of general forum rules 🤣), yet you don't touch your friend Mr. Iveku's post where he calls me annoying (I was merely responding to him, which is why I am being penalized while he remains untouched).
You aren't deleting his post where he calls dustywalker25 a hack and hopes the "boss didn't pay for that work," nor are you deleting his posts where he calls people "simpletons."
You don't delete his posts where he openly lies about certain nonsense being written in the Law, yet you jump to delete when I ask him exactly WHICH LAW it is written in.
I suppose you're just trying to bail him out of the mess he created with his own arrogance.

This user is clearly part of the group Emily Myers8 mentioned; he can say whatever he wants without consequence while snapping at everyone else.

That's right, you don't owe us any explanations.

I truly hope there is someone here who will eventually have to explain to you why people with several thousand posts have no issues with any moderator except for you.
Robert Martin23 Robert Martin23 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Jan 2014
#13 ·
slycyclist342;

exactly said:


No not really even one thing regarding you.
slycyclist342 slycyclist342 MemberOP
49 messages
joined Jan 2016
#14 ·
I agree, you don't need to explain anything to me.

It would be decent, polite, and standard practice if you did, but that's something only someone who actually gives a damn about this community and its members would do, rather than just feeding an ego through sheer tyranny.
But, by all means, you don't have to.

hvala for highlighting every single one of my infractions. 👍

To be honest, I’d completely forgotten about them; there isn't much reason to hold onto them, and they aren't even showing up in my menu.
And it's not like they happened yesterday... some of them date back over ten years.

As you can see, most moderators only gave me one, and I've never had any issues with the guy who gave me the most—in fact, I have zero problems with him today.
I could even use this opportunity to praise his moderation style.
He's actually someone worth learning from.

Those are mostly just football discussions that occasionally pull me in, I'll admit.
That's probably why I end up getting a card.

You should ask yourself why this is the first time in my life I've ever posted in this subforum, and why I've never once complained about a moderator until now.

And ask yourself why everyone else on this forum is complaining about you (and it's not just a few people; I'm seeing new faces complaining too).
Though, I doubt you'll bother asking, since you clearly don't care what your posts here reflect about you.

p.s.
In short, I've racked up 12 infractions over 7,500 posts throughout nearly 15 years.
Yet, in just about 20 posts over the last two weeks, I've received 4 infractions from you alone.
And then you try to frame that as "something about me"... that says a hell of a lot more about you. 🙂
Grace Edwards Grace Edwards Active Member
184 messages
joined May 2023
#15 ·
Robert Martin23 said:. I have zero intention of explaining my actions because it's just a waste of time

🤣 Is this guy actually being serious?
wow, I honestly thought the moderation on Politics and Coronavirus was a total disaster 🤣
Ashley Vaughn79 Ashley Vaughn79 Active Member
95 messages
joined Jan 2003
#16 ·
Robert Martin23 said:It seems everyone who refuses to follow the Adobe PDF SSM guidelines has suddenly decided they are the ultimate authority on the matter... If the users listed below are actually correct, then there would be no need for rules in the first place.

I have no intention of justifying my actions, as such discussions rarely lead to anything productive... Had these individuals simply taken the time to read and adhere to the instructions—which are quite clearly displayed—their arbitrary behavior wouldn't be an issue. I have wasted far too much time attempting to explain things and offer persuasion to those who refuse to listen.

The administration maintains a very clear oversight of all posts, and frankly, I have nothing left to say... It is quite convenient how the users mentioned below feel so comfortable sharing their "opinions" regarding other members of this community.
No, there is just no point in continuing this...

Actually, he could, since the guy asks politely, doesn't ramp up the tension, and even jokes around a bit... plus, he won me over by actually reading the topic and 250 pages first. 😁

Why are you deleting his posts when he's just asking how to set up a smoker, a kitchen, a balcony, or a table? 😁
And what exactly is the problem with cutting bricks?

Those 4 pages of screenshots you linked are useless.
I guess he didn't realize there are still 3 more pages left.

And please, tone down the communication a little.
He's relatively polite and doesn't even seem particularly aggressive... which isn't something that could be said about you. 🙂

Shit!
Now when I get banned, they'll delete my post too. 🙈

It doesn't matter... it was worth it. 😬
slycyclist342 slycyclist342 MemberOP
49 messages
joined Jan 2016
#17 ·
Ashley Vaughn79 said:Actually, he could, since the guy asks politely, doesn't ramp up the tension, and even jokes around a bit... plus, he won me over by actually reading the topic and 250 pages first. 😁

Why are you deleting his posts when he's just asking how to set up a smoker, a kitchen, a balcony, or a table? 😁
And what exactly is the problem with cutting bricks?

Those 4 pages of screenshots you linked are useless.
I guess he didn't realize there are still 3 more pages left.

And please, tone down the communication a little.
He's relatively polite and doesn't even seem particularly aggressive... which isn't something that could be said about you. 🙂

Shit!
Now when I get banned, they'll delete my post too. 🙈

It doesn't matter... it was worth it. 😬

Thanks, thanks. 🙂

Ashley Vaughn79 said:Actually, he could, since the guy asks politely, doesn't ramp up the tension, and even jokes around a bit... plus, he won me over by actually reading the topic and 250 pages first. 😁

Why are you deleting his posts when he's just asking how to set up a smoker, a kitchen, a balcony, or a table? 😁
And what exactly is the problem with cutting bricks?

Those 4 pages of screenshots you linked are useless.
I guess he didn't realize there are still 3 more pages left.

And please, tone down the communication a little.
He's relatively polite and doesn't even seem particularly aggressive... which isn't something that could be said about you. 🙂

Shit!
Now when I get banned, they'll delete my post too. 🙈

It doesn't matter... it was worth it. 😬

Even if there were some sort of issue—though I honestly can't wrap my head around what that would be—there is still absolutely no logical justification for deleting those posts from the chat thread.

Look at how many posts our esteemed Mr. Moderator has dropped in this same thread:

I’d suggest grabbing about four ounces of deli meat and a small bottle of Fructal juice. Back when those weren't available, Robert Martin23 used to just order a tin of meat breakfast, a few slices of bread, and a beer.
If that didn't hit the spot, a Tyrolean salami would have been the perfect follow-up!

You know what, @fermina- daza? You might want to start by offering a classic cappuccino.

If I actually have to get some work done—not like Bloomberg over there—I need to grab a coffee first. Otherwise, my brain just doesn't function.

Look, man, forget all that multicultural nonsense from the sidelines. Just take some bread, cheese, sour cream, onions, and bacon, put them together, and then you'll see how beautifully everything comes together.


It’s all just noise... I mean, what’s the point? People are supposed to write here, but this chat is just meant to serve its purpose.
When you see someone deleting entire discussions about insulation and masonry from this same thread, it’s pretty clear we aren't looking at standard procedures or legitimate moderation.

Ashley Vaughn79 said:Actually, he could, since the guy asks politely, doesn't ramp up the tension, and even jokes around a bit... plus, he won me over by actually reading the topic and 250 pages first. 😁

Why are you deleting his posts when he's just asking how to set up a smoker, a kitchen, a balcony, or a table? 😁
And what exactly is the problem with cutting bricks?

Those 4 pages of screenshots you linked are useless.
I guess he didn't realize there are still 3 more pages left.

And please, tone down the communication a little.
He's relatively polite and doesn't even seem particularly aggressive... which isn't something that could be said about you. 🙂

Shit!
Now when I get banned, they'll delete my post too. 🙈

It doesn't matter... it was worth it. 😬

I finally realized what happened... this was actually my first time ever looking at my infractions... and as you can see, those other four pages really don't exist... which is why I thought that was everything.

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I just noticed a moment ago that there's an infractions tab where you can view them all... honestly, if it weren't for the moderator Robert Martin23, I wouldn't have known it existed, nor would I have ever bothered to check.

But does that even matter for this thread?
I feel like the point remains just as valid whether I said I had 12 red cards over 15 years or 4 in 2 weeks on the "SSM" subforum.
The disproportion is pretty obvious.

I went ahead and read the reasons too... mostly nonsense that seems pretty hilarious from my perspective.🙂

(though, I suppose things like improper quoting or oversized images are silly enough to mention, even if they are counted and recorded.)

Ashley Vaughn79 said:Actually, he could, since the guy asks politely, doesn't ramp up the tension, and even jokes around a bit... plus, he won me over by actually reading the topic and 250 pages first. 😁

Why are you deleting his posts when he's just asking how to set up a smoker, a kitchen, a balcony, or a table? 😁
And what exactly is the problem with cutting bricks?

Those 4 pages of screenshots you linked are useless.
I guess he didn't realize there are still 3 more pages left.

And please, tone down the communication a little.
He's relatively polite and doesn't even seem particularly aggressive... which isn't something that could be said about you. 🙂

Shit!
Now when I get banned, they'll delete my post too. 🙈

It doesn't matter... it was worth it. 😬

hvala once again
To be honest, I was incredibly pissed off when he deleted my post AGAIN two days ago and gave me a card... I totally snapped.

So, I backed down and wrote all this here.

And now I'm glad I did, because I see I'm far from the only one dealing with this.
Basically, we're all idiots who don't follow the rules, and he's right.

I just wish someone had spoken up sooner, but better late than never.

Now I see that my modus operandi was exactly the same as theirs... a little deleting, a few cards, and then you're fed up.
There's that saying that you shouldn't deal with fools.
And that's how people leave the forum. It's the easiest thing to do today.
Two clicks and you're somewhere else where nobody is getting on your nerves.
That was the easiest path for me too, and I almost took it.

It was clearly the goal with me as well, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't nearly fall for it.

That's why, reading through all these experiences, I'm actually glad I decided to see what the hell was going on instead of just walking away the way I came.

Ashley Vaughn79 said:Actually, he could, since the guy asks politely, doesn't ramp up the tension, and even jokes around a bit... plus, he won me over by actually reading the topic and 250 pages first. 😁

Why are you deleting his posts when he's just asking how to set up a smoker, a kitchen, a balcony, or a table? 😁
And what exactly is the problem with cutting bricks?

Those 4 pages of screenshots you linked are useless.
I guess he didn't realize there are still 3 more pages left.

And please, tone down the communication a little.
He's relatively polite and doesn't even seem particularly aggressive... which isn't something that could be said about you. 🙂

Shit!
Now when I get banned, they'll delete my post too. 🙈

It doesn't matter... it was worth it. 😬


If you don't get a card, head over to the "DIY" subforum.
You're bound to get one there. 👍
Alexander Thompson Alexander Thompson Active Member
185 messages
joined Apr 2018
#18 ·
What’s up, guys? You really think we should be listening to those clowns? Let's take three laps around these amateurs!

They just love to hear themselves talk—all that big talk, but honestly, it’s all pretty basic. I mean, you just grab a pipe, cut the threads, and you're done... unlike these jokes and useless busybodies we're dealing with.

It’s all about the threading, especially if you're going left-handed.
Robert Martin23 Robert Martin23 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Jan 2014
#19 ·
Ashley Vaughn79 said:Actually, he could, since the guy asks politely, doesn't ramp up the tension, and even jokes around a bit... plus, he won me over by actually reading the topic and 250 pages first. 😁

Why are you deleting his posts when he's just asking how to set up a smoker, a kitchen, a balcony, or a table? 😁
And what exactly is the problem with cutting bricks?

Those 4 pages of screenshots you linked are useless.
I guess he didn't realize there are still 3 more pages left.

And please, tone down the communication a little.
He's relatively polite and doesn't even seem particularly aggressive... which isn't something that could be said about you. 🙂

Shit!
Now when I get banned, they'll delete my post too. 🙈

It doesn't matter... it was worth it. 😬

Upon accessing the SSM page, one is met with various thematic menus, guidelines regarding topic selection, instructions on how to compose posts, methods for uploading images, and a host of other procedural directions. These instructions have been meticulously organized within that Adobe PDF to ensure that any "new forum members" might find it slightly less daunting to navigate the search for answers and relevant discussions... There are also the Rules to consider.

It is quite another matter entirely that so few members here actually show any semblance of respect, choosing instead to simply spin up their own new threads whenever they please...
New guidelines have been established regarding the uploading of images, specifically addressing those being posted in excessive quantities and at disproportionate sizes, regardless of whether they actually pertain to the subject matter at hand... While I recognize that not every single upload is irrelevant, maintaining visual clarity across both desktop monitors and mobile devices remains a priority for the integrity of our discussions...
The instructions explicitly state that images should be uploaded via external links to ensure high resolution and allow every detail to be visible... yet everyone seems to ignore that entirely, creating nothing but absolute chaos because they are more interested in monopolizing the thread, or rather, they go out of their way to state exactly that intention...
Whenever I attempt to initiate a new thread, hoping to foster an uninterrupted discussion that might eventually allow me to link all the useful information together, I am met with nothing but trouble... instead, I face insults, threats, and those rather uncivilized comments appearing in my private messages...
None of that is ever visible to the naked eye, nor is there any real necessity for it to be, yet it remains the underlying reality...

When one actually takes the time to sit down and digest two hundred and fifty pages of discourse regarding the construction of a wood-fired oven—though I suppose even attempting to grasp the sheer depth of such a topic is a feat in itself—it becomes painfully clear that we are discussing a masterclass in DIY building using purely organic, natural materials. The text provides an exhaustive breakdown of every single component required, from the specific grades of sand and various brick compositions to the exact types of mortar used, alongside technical blueprints and precise instructions on how to cut each brick... It covers nearly every minute detail imaginable, complemented by a complete visual archive of the entire process from the first stone laid to the final firing. One could almost call it the fundamental primer for anyone hoping to build their own oven...

There exists a dedicated thread regarding garden pottery, and then there is the separate discussion focused on pottery and wood-fired kilns. That second one hasn't exactly gained much momentum and only sees the occasional post, yet I wouldn't call it dead... rather, it remains a space where certain ideas could truly flourish, provided there are enough interested souls willing to engage...

So, our friend Ljutko decides to start a thread about tin planters on the balcony, uploads some photos, and lets it sit there for a while... Then, out of nowhere, he kicks off this whole debate that has absolutely nothing to do with the original topic of brick masonry, pivoting instead to tin chimneys. Naturally, I had to step in and move the thread to where it belongs. Now, he’s moved on to discussing garden features and pear ovens—all made of tin—inside a thread dedicated entirely to masonry work...
Moving this thread to its proper place was necessary, though it seems we have simply traded one set of complications for another...

There is an open invitation here to explore any topic one might desire, with absolutely no restrictions placed upon them, yet he insists on following his own narrow path... and I suppose I am the primary architect of that stubbornness...

Suddenly I am labeled as insane or mentally deficient simply because I had the audacity to moderate this thread... It is precisely at this moment that his facade of civility and polite decorum begins to crumble...
It appears I have managed to strike an equally abrasive and agitated chord with you, so hvala for the blunt honesty...👍

Naturally, several other offended parties have joined the fray because I refused to bow to their arbitrary whims, which was entirely predictable...
I am certainly not here to court affection or play the sycophant, though I do my best to act of my own volition, showing respect to the individuals behind the screen names and honoring their contributions and writings...

Certain posts and segments of written material on this Adobe PDF are being archived by the help of other community members in a dedicated section called the Forum Library. This is where we gradually compile posts containing fundamental instructions for specific topics, selecting key discussions so that less experienced users can navigate various skills more easily...
I consider this Adobe PDF to be a vital component of the SSM, serving as a sort of representative archive for the site. Of course, this exists solely due to the contributions of the community members and not because of any effort on my part... I simply strive to maintain it, though I recognize everyone holds their own perspective on the matter...

I have no intention of deleting your post. I am well aware that harsh and civil critiques are simply part of the work performed here... It would be considerably easier if the community members accepted such feedback when they are cautioned, rather than assuming they are always correct...
In the end, everyone takes offense when posts are moderated, even when they know deep down they aren't necessarily in the right, and they always have a choice in how they respond...

You asked quite clearly, and I hope I have clarified at least some of these points? I hope it proves useful...
Emily Myers8 Emily Myers8 Active Member
51 messages
joined Jun 2017
#20 ·
Robert Martin23, you're basically your own worst enemy. You jump into other people's debates just to back one side, even when you know they're wrong, instead of just waiting until things actually get confusing before weighing in.
When I try to prove a point using actual evidence—photos, data, or links to deep-dive technical articles that could help everyone learn—you still question me because you don't quite grasp the specifics in those professional journals.
Take this guy on the forum who’s always poking at me and mocking actual science. His engineer buddy shows off a deliberately broken pipe and they both just laugh about it; it's just a tight-knit group of guys who hang out with other members. It's fine for socializing, but it’s definitely not great that they're treated like experts just because they helped build the forum's archives. Here's the example I'm talking about:

You left that there as an example of my "4D" logic, which is something you clearly haven't bothered to study if you actually wanted to understand it.
That was written by an engineer who uses this forum to hawk weird gadgets, all thanks to you and your crew.

Your archive has almost nothing to do with heating systems or hydraulic connection integrity—stuff you really don't have a clue about. Even basic concepts like flow rates and temperature differentials in heating systems seem to be up for debate among your "engineers," using outdated methods like over-the-bar setups.
My whole goal has been to point out mistakes so people can actually fix their problems. Yet, a year or two later, the same users are running into the exact same issues. The questions from the last month are identical to what we were seeing years ago, which means the fixes they implemented weren't right. I pointed this out then, and I'm pointing it out again. Anyone making a claim should be able to back it up, but you demand proof from the person presenting the idea, which is pretty backwards.

It’s honestly bizarre that a link to https://www.caleffi.com/usa/en-us/technical-magazine isn't useful to you, considering it's a goldmine for general knowledge.
You should have pulled the key takeaways from that and added them to the archives; that would have actually moved us forward and kept things modern.
To my relief, most people who aren't active here much anymore took my suggestions to heart and fixed their issues. I still keep in touch with most of them outside the forum—we catch up over coffee or lunch.
You can keep doing whatever you want since you hold the power, but you can't steal someone else's expertise. Your little circle is mostly just resellers using this forum as a business platform.
You've messed up regarding me twice now. You can still fix your mistakes; you have the influence, so maybe use it to actually make things better.👍

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