Selective enforcement on "The Alternative

Ever since you "hired" that moderator, bluemason3, he’s been relentlessly targeting the long-standing members who represent the "alternative" side of things and hold dissenting views. He’s practically hunting them down with penalties—myself included ( simultaneously turning a complete deaf ear (both him and the rest of the staff) to actual reports regarding trolls (take this one, for instance: It’s reached a point where many people have either been banned outright or simply walked away from contributing altogether after being slapped with undeserved strikes.
The other moderators, like unknown for example, are rendered completely powerless. They just sit there like bystanders, watching the chaos unfold. This guy actually shut down the "Mystery" sub-forum under the pretense that it was too cluttered and "difficult" for him to manage. After a wave of complaints, he even deleted his own thread regarding that decision.
It is glaringly obvious that there are no established criteria and absolutely no sense of professional conduct here. Before he stepped into this role, he never once spoke up against the spread of hate speech coming from the "alternative" crowd. In fact, unless I personally reached out to the admin present here, those types would never have received a single ban or warning. Now, those very same users are back in full force. They are spreading vitriol, provoking arguments, and trolling with their most insidious jokes. Yet, the moderator just lets it all slide while aggressively driving away the people he can't stand. He even had the audacity to mock us, asking, "well, what even is an 'alternativist'?" when people called him out for killing the mystery section.

Perhaps you should just scrap this entire "alternative" faction entirely? Since its existence seems to be so incomprehensible to management.

You didn't get a penalty, just a warning (no points deducted)

I didn't delete any mystery posts myself (not that I can as a moderator—I can only suggest moves or help reorganize things), and nothing was done without prior agreement. It was done for a reason, and I still stand by that decision.

The thread wasn't meant for discussion anyway; it was just an announcement. Since several people asked where to find the PDF, once I felt the goal of informing everyone was met, I tucked it away. Technically, it hasn't been deleted, just hidden from view in case it's needed again later.

Err... so the issue is that I wasn't moderating before I actually became a moderator? 🤔

You're taking the "what is an alt" comment completely out of context.

bluemason3 said:You didn't get a penalty, just a warning (no points deducted)

I didn't delete any mystery posts myself (not that I can as a moderator—I can only suggest moves or help reorganize things), and nothing was done without prior agreement. It was done for a reason, and I still stand by that decision.

The thread wasn't meant for discussion anyway; it was just an announcement. Since several people asked where to find the PDF, once I felt the goal of informing everyone was met, I tucked it away. Technically, it hasn't been deleted, just hidden from view in case it's needed again later.

Err... so the issue is that I wasn't moderating before I actually became a moderator? 🤔

You're taking the "what is an alt" comment completely out of context.

Regarding the 'mystery,' you explicitly stated you were deleting it, and then later you wiped the entire top-level thread about it—even after veteran members like 'Louis' and 'unknown' specifically asked you not to. You, Mark, Stanley... you were the one who opened and closed that thread. Ever since you stepped up as a moderator, you have engaged in nothing but selective disciplinary action against specific members. It is blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes. Many people have stopped posting or have faced long-term bans because of this very behavior.
It is patently clear that you refuse to issue the same 'warnings' to those who repeatedly troll and incite conflict through persistent provocation. Even after warnings, the same individuals are reported. This is selective, condescending moderation.

The fact that you were appointed moderator 'later' does not excuse the fact that you continue to allow old, offensive, and inflammatory posts from certain 'Brothers' and similar provocateurs—people who call others fascists, monsters, or lunatics, inciting racial and every other kind of hate. Your lack of status during that period of 'lawlessness' does not grant you amnesty from the duty to react, oppose, or whatever euphemism you prefer to use. Silence is almost always interpreted as complicity.

And as for your sarcastic remarks regarding the alternative and 'alternative types,' they weren't pulled out of thin air; they were pulled from memory because you personally deleted the thread where you wrote them.
Furthermore, the sort of trolling threads you permit now, such as 'Time Traveler Caught on Camera,' speaks volumes about your actual attitude toward the 'alternative.'

Louis voiced her concerns, but Beg hardly budged since he, along with the rest of the mods and admins, had already reached an agreement before the cleanup began.

We aren't going after posts that were written before the new moderation policy kicked in.

As for everything else, you've already heard my answer.

bluemason3 said:Louis voiced her concerns, but Beg hardly budged since he, along with the rest of the mods and admins, had already reached an agreement before the cleanup began.

We aren't going after posts that were written before the new moderation policy kicked in.

As for everything else, you've already heard my answer.

Oh, really? You answered why you aren't deleting or locking threads full of pure mockery?
You answered why you don't issue warnings to those who harass people with messages claiming 'their family should mourn their lack of intelligence'?
You explained how you didn't oppose the spread of hate and insults simply because you weren't a moderator yet? The only thing you managed to write was that it seemed to you like you had wandered into a preschool while certain users were busy claiming they were debating monsters and fascists!

You went back and deleted numerous posts (including my own) that were originally posted during that period without any oversight. I know this with absolute certainty because I track these threads closely, so please, spare me the falsehoods.

Whether I decide to delete something or not is my call. It’s impossible to keep everyone happy, and frankly, we're short on moderators to keep up with everything anyway.

I am, and the answer is—no, I wasn't a moderator.

Like I said, they aren't being sanctioned. We can delete posts if we find a good reason, but there's no way we're going to spend months or years digging through old threads for that purpose.

bluemason3 said:Whether I decide to delete something or not is my call. It’s impossible to keep everyone happy, and frankly, we're short on moderators to keep up with everything anyway.

I am, and the answer is—no, I wasn't a moderator.

Like I said, they aren't being sanctioned. We can delete posts if we find a good reason, but there's no way we're going to spend months or years digging through old threads for that purpose.

That is exactly what I have been harping on about this entire time—"your call." Precisely! And who is going to challenge that? Absolutely no one.

The threads I am referring to are from the last few days, maybe a month or two at most. We aren't talking about archives from years ago.
You are essentially permitting trolling, and you dodged that point entirely. That is why those kinds of threads are still hanging around.
Furthermore, when posts get reported, you dodge the actual sanctions. Instead of handing out bans to users you don't want to penalize, you just wipe their post and move on. It's a convenient way to keep things "flowing."
Let me say this once more: even a blind man can see exactly what is happening here.
You don't need to try and convince me of anything.

You seem to mistake critical analysis for just being a troll.

Look, 1+1=2 is an unshakeable mathematical fact.

In the world of alternative theories, though, you’ll see people claiming 1+1=3, or 1+1=11, or even 1+1=24.

So, if you go around insisting that 1+1=24, you should expect to get "attacked" by people who "know" that isn't true and can't be possible—but then it's up to you to try and explain why you're right.

That's just how every online forum works.

Before bluemason3 took over as moderator during the era of mandrake and Louis, you couldn't even suggest that certain alternative remedies didn't work without being labeled a "troll."

And don't even get me started on the former moderator Louis, who grandly declared that modern surgery isn't all that special and that ancient Vedic "surgeons" used to operate people "just like that."

If you actually asked for evidence regarding those vague claims, you were immediately branded a troll, a spammer, an off-topic nuisance, or some other kind of negativity.

I support the moderator bluemason3 being fair—allowing actual debates to happen, punishing insults regardless of which "side" they come from, and avoiding handing out bans for trolling (it's better to just delete the posts).

Debating something is the bedrock of democracy, but there's no debating that the Earth is round. That has nothing to do with mysticism or the fringes of science; it's just a fact.

Emily Barrett74 said:Ever since you "hired" that moderator, bluemason3, he’s been relentlessly targeting the long-standing members who represent the "alternative" side of things and hold dissenting views. He’s practically hunting them down with penalties—myself included ( simultaneously turning a complete deaf ear (both him and the rest of the staff) to actual reports regarding trolls (take this one, for instance: It’s reached a point where many people have either been banned outright or simply walked away from contributing altogether after being slapped with undeserved strikes.
The other moderators, like unknown for example, are rendered completely powerless. They just sit there like bystanders, watching the chaos unfold. This guy actually shut down the "Mystery" sub-forum under the pretense that it was too cluttered and "difficult" for him to manage. After a wave of complaints, he even deleted his own thread regarding that decision.
It is glaringly obvious that there are no established criteria and absolutely no sense of professional conduct here. Before he stepped into this role, he never once spoke up against the spread of hate speech coming from the "alternative" crowd. In fact, unless I personally reached out to the admin present here, those types would never have received a single ban or warning. Now, those very same users are back in full force. They are spreading vitriol, provoking arguments, and trolling with their most insidious jokes. Yet, the moderator just lets it all slide while aggressively driving away the people he can't stand. He even had the audacity to mock us, asking, "well, what even is an 'alternativist'?" when people called him out for killing the mystery section.

Perhaps you should just scrap this entire "alternative" faction entirely? Since its existence seems to be so incomprehensible to management.

What do you mean I don't get to express myself? I had my own thread on the PŽK before Belkija did. 😁

You asked for specifics. Here is a prime example of the selective moderation happening over on the "alternative" board.

Direct insults and belittling other users? Absolutely zero consequences.

Repeated provocations? No sanctions applied.

A simple response? Instant sanction.

Insulting fellow users? Nothing happens.

Constant baiting, humiliation, and verbal abuse—yet there are no penalties whatsoever.

Verbal attacks, trolling, and spamming senseless images.

Even in the subsequent threads, there is total inaction from mod oversight.

The notorious trolling from that one infamous troll on the "alternative" section—again, no action taken.

Insults, condescension, and patronizing behavior; zero sanctions.

It is frankly disgraceful and utterly nonsensical. We have pure trolling from an individual who labeled anyone disagreeing with his ideology as "fascists" or "monsters," and even went so far as to characterize the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a humanitarian act—all without receiving a single sanction. Is that clear enough?

This is merely a fraction of the issue, even considering the links you already possess. For now. Thank you.

Emily Barrett74 said:You asked for specifics. Here is a prime example of the selective moderation happening over on the "alternative" board.

Direct insults and belittling other users? Absolutely zero consequences.

Repeated provocations? No sanctions applied.

A simple response? Instant sanction.

Insulting fellow users? Nothing happens.

Constant baiting, humiliation, and verbal abuse—yet there are no penalties whatsoever.

Verbal attacks, trolling, and spamming senseless images.

Even in the subsequent threads, there is total inaction from mod oversight.

The notorious trolling from that one infamous troll on the "alternative" section—again, no action taken.

Insults, condescension, and patronizing behavior; zero sanctions.

It is frankly disgraceful and utterly nonsensical. We have pure trolling from an individual who labeled anyone disagreeing with his ideology as "fascists" or "monsters," and even went so far as to characterize the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a humanitarian act—all without receiving a single sanction. Is that clear enough?

This is merely a fraction of the issue, even considering the links you already possess. For now. Thank you.

There aren't any penalties, nor are there any moderators calling him stupid beforehand.

Repeated provocations, and still no sanctions.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they should be sanctioned. Personally, I don't think this is necessary. Besides, the user being quoted has already racked up plenty of warnings and a ban, so he isn't getting any special treatment.

Response, sanction applied.

The response was full of insults, so the sanction stands.

On the flip side, you could have been sanctioned for your response, Aries, but you weren't.

In short, it depends on the topic, the situation, and previous interactions... though sometimes less-than-ideal reasons—like having too few mods (lack of time or just lack of motivation)—play a part, rather than playing favorites.

Hmm... maybe I'm just a bad person.🤔

I can't live with that.😈 😁

bluemason3 said:There aren't any penalties, nor are there any moderators calling him stupid beforehand.

Repeated provocations, and still no sanctions.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they should be sanctioned. Personally, I don't think this is necessary. Besides, the user being quoted has already racked up plenty of warnings and a ban, so he isn't getting any special treatment.

Response, sanction applied.

The response was full of insults, so the sanction stands.

On the flip side, you could have been sanctioned for your response, Aries, but you weren't.

In short, it depends on the topic, the situation, and previous interactions... though sometimes less-than-ideal reasons—like having too few mods (lack of time or just lack of motivation)—play a part, rather than playing favorites.

Hmm... maybe I'm just a bad person.🤔

I can't live with that.😈 😁

Exactly! This needs to be sanctioned immediately. It’s nothing short of an absolute barrage of insults; it’s practically screaming them at us.
Listen, darling, you say you’ve been doing some digging... hmmm... but let me ask you this: were you actually staying on track, or did you drift off into the weeds?

So, according to your logic, if someone decides to address another person as "honey" or "sweetie," we’re supposed to just accept that it’s an insult now? Fine. If that's how we're playing this game, let's go ahead and label everything an offense under your specific set of criteria.

I certainly won't go so far as to claim you're insulting me with those snide remarks and that endless parade of emojis. Besides, if we are operating under your own assumption—that an avatar is a direct reflection of one's character—then I suppose I have no choice but to concur.

It’s not all that different from the decent posts you usually dive into.

If we’re both on the same page about me being a bad guy, then there isn't really any point in dragging this out.

bluemason3 said:It’s not all that different from the decent posts you usually dive into.

If we’re both on the same page about me being a bad guy, then there isn't really any point in dragging this out.

Calling someone "honey" isn't an insult—unless, of course, we are strictly adhering to your highly specific and rather arbitrary standards.

Frankly, I have zero desire to go back and forth with you. The Admin asked a question and received an answer.
Furthermore, this is a forum specifically designed for messages and commentary. It is truly unfortunate that I don't possess the capacity for polite pleasantries at this particular moment.

Besides, when you were being called out in that (deleted) thread, you insisted that there was a designated place for criticism. Well, this is it. So, I find myself quite perplexed as to why my critique is suddenly such a grievance to you now.

I’m not complaining or anything, I just figured we could reach a consensus everyone actually agrees on so we can finally put this matter to rest.😁