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Supporting Ott the dog

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Participants bluebadger112hiddenmarlin14Joshua Ortiz2Melissa Gonzalez8Alexander Adams94Aaron Jones87Melissa Torres59frozenraven5Megan Hernandez2briskbison55Daniel Gomez10Jack Kelly5Patrick Thomas29
bluebadger112 bluebadger112 Active MemberOP
161 messages
joined Apr 2019
#1 ·
It’s funny how we used to back that loudmouth 🥳

Let's just give Ott a chance to not bite anyone—for now 👋
hiddenmarlin14 hiddenmarlin14 Active Member
55 messages
joined Feb 2018
#2 ·
Fine by me. 👍 A little bit of USDA regulation would probably calm him down. 🥳
Joshua Ortiz2 Joshua Ortiz2 Member
19 messages
joined Jan 2017
#3 ·
Honestly, before anyone even thinks about bringing a new breed of dog into their home, they should be forced to pass a full-on psychological evaluation first...
Melissa Gonzalez8 Melissa Gonzalez8 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Sep 2022
#4 ·
I find myself in agreement regarding 👋
Alexander Adams94 Alexander Adams94 Active Member
79 messages
joined Dec 2014
#5 ·
I honestly never take any chances when it comes to those crazies. I always make sure to give them at least a six-foot buffer. With a cat, you know what to expect—they’ll either bolt or just sit there staring you down. But with people like that? You can't trust them. They look like the type who might just lunged at you out of nowhere for no reason at all.
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2015
#6 ·
Hang in there, Otto😢
So, they’re planning to euthanize a dog this Friday because it was being walked by some woman who clearly can't hold her liquor. Naturally, since dogs pick up on everything, the poor thing was agitated by her state and ended up snapping at people. Dogs mirror their owners' emotions; she’s likely spiraling, fighting with her husband, and God knows what else. Poor Otto just takes it all.
The whole system is a joke—it honestly makes me sick. Instead of getting the owner some psychiatric help, they want to put the dog down.
It's a disgrace.👎
Melissa Torres59 Melissa Torres59 Member
21 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7 ·
If Damir Skok could actually guarantee he’ll rehabilitate a dog so that it stops attacking, injuring, or killing people—regardless of whether the owner is drunk, a passerby glares at it, a kid screams during a game, or a neighbor farts too loud in their window (unless I'm defending my own life or my owner's)—then maybe I’d give him a chance. Otherwise, we should just clear these dangerous animals out of civilized society and euthanize the ones that have already attacked.

And what Rachel Evans94 mentioned needs to be considered too. We need psychological evaluations and tests to see if someone is even capable of training a dog properly. Plus, there should be strict criminal liability for owners for whatever crap their dogs pull.
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2015
#8 ·
For those dealing with more aggressive breeds, there's always a muzzle available.
But given how things stood at the time, that might have been the last resort. Ultimately, the burden of responsibility lies squarely with the owners. In cases like this, the animal should be removed from such people immediately—well before any decision regarding euthanasia is even considered—to give them a chance at socialization. Usually, this kind of behavior comes from a traumatized dog that’s essentially living in a constant state of fear.
frozenraven5 frozenraven5 Member
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joined Apr 2011
#9 ·
😢 Otto 😢
Melissa Torres59 Melissa Torres59 Member
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joined Oct 2018
#10 ·
Could be. Personally, I think those aggressive dogs are a bit of a lottery. Maybe they’ll be fine, or maybe they’ll bite you. I guess I’ll leave the final word to the experts, while I just sit here reading the news about how often some dog mauls someone lately.

Either all these dogs are completely unsocialized and traumatized—which probably needs to be addressed by implementing serious oversight on who owns what kind of pet—or people are just placing way too much trust in them.

Even muzzling isn't the perfect fix. You can't have a dog wearing a muzzle 24/7 without it becoming traumatized. Honestly, the fact that an animal has to be muzzled whenever it's around people or other animals tells me it's not really a "pet."
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2015
#11 ·
We really ought to implement mandatory socialization training for every single dog owner out there.
Unfortunately, sometimes a leash is the only way to prevent these kinds of situations from escalating. A dog that actually requires a leash to stay under control is already dealing with some level of trauma.
Megan Hernandez2 Megan Hernandez2 Active Member
111 messages
joined Mar 2013
#12 ·
Give me a break. This whole situation is flawed on several levels.

That breed, along with others like it, was bred to function in a completely different environment—think a massive fenced-in yard with a guard present, owned by someone actually capable of handling such an animal.

People need enough common sense to realize that just because they like a certain breed doesn't mean they have the right living conditions for it.

Then there’s the matter of expertise. You need actual knowledge to control a dog like that; not all breeds are created equal.

Furthermore, you have to accept that modern breeding has absolutely wrecked most breeds, both physically and mentally.

Hyper-production and breeders who aren't even experts—they just chase whatever is trendy, churning out "new" breeds every few years—has resulted in terrible genetic stock. They’re using dogs for breeding that simply shouldn't be used.

As for this specific dog, from what I can see, he's been causing trouble since he was a pup. It’s almost certainly the owner's fault, but given the current state of the kennel club world—which is a global disaster, by the way—it's possible the dog is just wired that way. Even with better training, he might still be "off." I honestly don't know what to do in a case like this. The real question is: if they try socialization, who is going to handle it? And if the dog actually "passes," who ends up stuck with him next?
Joshua Ortiz2 Joshua Ortiz2 Member
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joined Jan 2017
#13 ·
Maria Johnson said:If a dog is actually aggressive, you just use a muzzle.

Seriously, how many times have you even seen an aggressive dog wearing a muzzle...??
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2015
#14 ·
Rachel Evans94 said:How many times have you actually encountered an aggressive dog that was still wearing a muzzle?

I’ve spotted them, more than once, hanging around Central Park.☕
In my view, that’s just what responsible owners do. If a dog truly isn't social, and you love them enough that you refuse to consider euthanasia but don't want to deal with the constant headaches or liability, then this feels like the only logical path forward.
I also firmly believe that every single dog—even the ones that actually listen—should be kept on a leash. I find myself constantly clashing with owners who let their dogs run free, only to watch them act out or ignore commands entirely. If a dog is being unruly or just plain disobedient, there really shouldn't be an argument: they belong on a leash, period.
Joshua Ortiz2 Joshua Ortiz2 Member
19 messages
joined Jan 2017
#15 ·
I swear, I have never once seen a dog actually wearing a muzzle.
But honestly, at least lately it feels like everyone is finally walking them on a leash...
briskbison55 briskbison55 Active Member
135 messages
joined Jun 2009
#16 ·
Honestly, there is just so much nonsense being thrown around regarding this situation. Like, whether or not the lady was drunk? It really doesn't matter at all. The dog wasn't even on a leash, and let's be real—this thing has escaped before, and it’s bitten and attacked people multiple times already. The only reason it hasn't been dealt with is because its owner is some kind of fugitive who moves addresses faster than most people change their clothes, so the system just can't track him down to finally put an end to this. I guess I just want all the idiots out there who would give second chances to an animal that actively bites people to go stand in a backyard with that exact same beast and try explaining to them that they aren't the problem—the owners are.

I suppose a dog isn't for everyone, and clearly, common sense isn't for everyone either.
bluebadger112 bluebadger112 Active MemberOP
161 messages
joined Apr 2019
#17 ·
They don't have a human brain—which is exactly why you can't hold a dog responsible for their actions ☕
Joshua Ortiz2 Joshua Ortiz2 Member
19 messages
joined Jan 2017
#18 ·
Sheepdogs, Labradors... you name it.
So, I was looking into which breeds were actually biting people most often back in 2017, 2018, and 2019. According to the United States Department of Agriculture, the list is basically a "who's who" of trouble—you've got those Bull Terrier types leading the pack, followed by Anatolian Shepherds, Labs, German Pointers, Alaskan Malamutes, Golden Retrievers, Cane Corsos, Pekingese, German Shepherds, Toy Poodles, Rottweilers, American Shepherds, Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers, Central Asian Shepherds, Beagles, Huskies, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, Maltese, Akitas, and Belgian Malinois.

Snippet from an article on Reddit...

Can't you see there aren't even any restrictions, every single one of them bites...🤣
Melissa Gonzalez8 Melissa Gonzalez8 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Sep 2022
#19 ·
A barking dog rarely bites ☕
bluebadger112 bluebadger112 Active MemberOP
161 messages
joined Apr 2019
#20 ·
Exactly. Plus, Otto wasn't even biting—he was just giving out kisses 😳

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