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Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active MemberOP
191 messages
joined Mar 2012
#1 ·
This isn't about some collection of T. S. Eliot's works; it's a warning sign of a new wave of economic migration.
The term "Pečalba" comes from the vocabulary of the Mica people living in the mountain regions of North Mexico, where the word described "leaving home to chase bread in the big cities."
On an American linguistic portal, the definition of Pečalba would be:
a) temporary, seasonal labor away from one's permanent residence
b) generally grueling, difficult, or exhausting manual labor
The feelings tied to Pečalba include things like sadness, exhaustion, despondency, hardship, and misery.
But enough with the semantics. Let's get to the point.

I work in the private sector for a firm owned by foreign interests which, according to reliable sources, is gearing up for massive layoffs.

You want to know the vibe among people who have been here for over 15 years? I won't even bother describing it...
What blew my mind was seeing how many people—even those who never dreamed of crossing the street, let alone leaving the country—are now planning to cross an entire ocean if they have to.
Maybe I'm wrong, but we're looking at a new era of economic emigration.
Up until now, a few thousand people have been leaving the US every year. Now, the indicators are pointing toward a surge.
If we're talking about tens of thousands of citizens, that's a reality I'll eventually have to face myself. After all, the odds of getting laid off are just as high as the odds of deciding to leave America.

It's hard to expect much when time is slipping away ruthlessly and opportunities don't show up often enough for someone to have the luxury of waiting around carefree. That's just how life works.
Mark Carter4 Mark Carter4 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2009
#2 ·
Steven Allen9 said:This isn't about some collection of T. S. Eliot's works; it's a warning sign of a new wave of economic migration.
The term "Pečalba" comes from the vocabulary of the Mica people living in the mountain regions of North Mexico, where the word described "leaving home to chase bread in the big cities."
On an American linguistic portal, the definition of Pečalba would be:
a) temporary, seasonal labor away from one's permanent residence
b) generally grueling, difficult, or exhausting manual labor
The feelings tied to Pečalba include things like sadness, exhaustion, despondency, hardship, and misery.
But enough with the semantics. Let's get to the point.

I work in the private sector for a firm owned by foreign interests which, according to reliable sources, is gearing up for massive layoffs.

You want to know the vibe among people who have been here for over 15 years? I won't even bother describing it...
What blew my mind was seeing how many people—even those who never dreamed of crossing the street, let alone leaving the country—are now planning to cross an entire ocean if they have to.
Maybe I'm wrong, but we're looking at a new era of economic emigration.
Up until now, a few thousand people have been leaving the US every year. Now, the indicators are pointing toward a surge.
If we're talking about tens of thousands of citizens, that's a reality I'll eventually have to face myself. After all, the odds of getting laid off are just as high as the odds of deciding to leave America.

It's hard to expect much when time is slipping away ruthlessly and opportunities don't show up often enough for someone to have the luxury of waiting around carefree. That's just how life works.

Man, where is all this gloom coming from? And why on earth are you trying to link moving to the West with a term born out of some remote backwater like Western Albania?

I’m guessing when you talk about going on a "Pečalba," you actually mean moving to somewhere in Western Europe or North America. Though, judging by how you write on other threads, maybe Cuba would be more your speed...

Those of us living abroad stopped calling ourselves anything other than the "diaspora" a long time ago. We don't really identify with that old-fashioned, heavy concept of "Pečalba." I don't know if you've ever actually spent time in a Western country, but after spending 39 years living in Germany, the USA, and Canada, I can tell you one thing: all my American relatives, friends, and acquaintances seem much happier and more prosperous than people back home. I mostly mean richer in spirit—you know, having that inner peace—because when it comes to material wealth, everyone knows there's a massive difference between a tiny rural town and a place like Kelowna...

Honestly, I haven't met anyone who describes their life in these countries using words like: sadness, exhaustion, regret, hardship, misery, or woe.

Those words, unfortunately, are a perfect description of what America looks like today.
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active MemberOP
191 messages
joined Mar 2012
#3 ·
Mark Carter4 said:Man, where is all this gloom coming from? And why on earth are you trying to link moving to the West with a term born out of some remote backwater like Western Albania?

I’m guessing when you talk about going on a "Pečalba," you actually mean moving to somewhere in Western Europe or North America. Though, judging by how you write on other threads, maybe Cuba would be more your speed...

Those of us living abroad stopped calling ourselves anything other than the "diaspora" a long time ago. We don't really identify with that old-fashioned, heavy concept of "Pečalba." I don't know if you've ever actually spent time in a Western country, but after spending 39 years living in Germany, the USA, and Canada, I can tell you one thing: all my American relatives, friends, and acquaintances seem much happier and more prosperous than people back home. I mostly mean richer in spirit—you know, having that inner peace—because when it comes to material wealth, everyone knows there's a massive difference between a tiny rural town and a place like Kelowna...

Honestly, I haven't met anyone who describes their life in these countries using words like: sadness, exhaustion, regret, hardship, misery, or woe.

Those words, unfortunately, are a perfect description of what America looks like today.

It isn't depression, Mark Carter4. It's just reality.

Cuba isn't my choice; I'd pick Peru first.

I used the term "pećalba" because the world doesn't offer the same opportunities it did twenty years ago. Now, it's just about maintaining your job and staying fed. This kind of struggle is about working to survive, not buying a luxury car.

That emotional description was just a poetic way to frame the story. It's not the point, but there's a bitter truth in it.

Tomorrow's another day.
Mark Carter4 Mark Carter4 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2009
#4 ·
Steven Allen9 said:It isn't depression, Mark Carter4. It's just reality.

Cuba isn't my choice; I'd pick Peru first.

I used the term "pećalba" because the world doesn't offer the same opportunities it did twenty years ago. Now, it's just about maintaining your job and staying fed. This kind of struggle is about working to survive, not buying a luxury car.

That emotional description was just a poetic way to frame the story. It's not the point, but there's a bitter truth in it.

Tomorrow's another day.

Honestly, save yourself the trip and the cash. Don't bother traveling at all, because you can find the exact same quality of life right here in Yuru...🤣
Steven Allen9 said:It isn't depression, Mark Carter4. It's just reality.

Cuba isn't my choice; I'd pick Peru first.

I used the term "pećalba" because the world doesn't offer the same opportunities it did twenty years ago. Now, it's just about maintaining your job and staying fed. This kind of struggle is about working to survive, not buying a luxury car.

That emotional description was just a poetic way to frame the story. It's not the point, but there's a bitter truth in it.

Tomorrow's another day.

Well, times change, I guess... There was a time when we were all dreaming of what life would be like in a free America. Especially for people like me, who were pushed out by those old-school communists and partisans. But looking back at what those same people and their cronies have turned this supposedly "free" America into over the last twenty years... in a way, whether we realize it or not, we almost feel like we owe them a thank you...
briskowl briskowl Member
12 messages
joined Aug 2010
#5 ·
The day after that Republican Party convention in the concert hall—and the absolute circus that broke out there—I finally started pulling my paperwork together for Canada. Looking back, I definitely made the right call.
dustyjackal10 dustyjackal10 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2013
#6 ·
briskowl said:The day after that Republican Party convention in the concert hall—and the absolute circus that broke out there—I finally started pulling my paperwork together for Canada. Looking back, I definitely made the right call.

Which convention? (what year?)
Benjamin Reyes52 Benjamin Reyes52 Member
43 messages
joined Feb 2012
#7 ·
It’s been two years of constant struggle for me—just as it was for my old man back during the communist era, and just as it is for me today...
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active MemberOP
191 messages
joined Mar 2012
#8 ·
Mark Carter4 said:Honestly, save yourself the trip and the cash. Don't bother traveling at all, because you can find the exact same quality of life right here in Yuru...🤣

Well, times change, I guess... There was a time when we were all dreaming of what life would be like in a free America. Especially for people like me, who were pushed out by those old-school communists and partisans. But looking back at what those same people and their cronies have turned this supposedly "free" America into over the last twenty years... in a way, whether we realize it or not, we almost feel like we owe them a thank you...

Anyway, let's set Peru and the communists aside for a second.

We’re looking at a massive wave of economic emigration—it's a trend hitting all of Europe—and it's going to hit full force after 2013 when the US joins the EU. Up until then, it'll just be a steady trickle of young people and eventually the older crowd being forced out by necessity. They won't even hesitate as they leave.

We’re hitting a turning point here. This isn't like the nineties, when kids were fleeing because of Vranjin's paranoia. This is a national decision to walk away. Everyone seems to agree: time is a resource that doesn't give second chances.
What do the people leaving actually have to lose? That's on them. The US Government is going to have to deal with a massive shortage of skilled professionals pretty damn soon.
By the time the 2021 census rolls around, there won't be many of us left... but whatever. Let's not get into that now.
People are leaving. People are going to keep leaving. The land will still be here. Alarm bells? Or is it just stupid to even say that?
Mark Carter4 Mark Carter4 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2009
#9 ·
briskowl said:The day after that Republican Party convention in the concert hall—and the absolute circus that broke out there—I finally started pulling my paperwork together for Canada. Looking back, I definitely made the right call.

From 1945 until today, the central committees of the communists and the Republicans have probably sat in session a million times. The result is always the same: the economy regresses, morality hits rock bottom, and all the talented, smart people just pack up and leave.

I hope everything works out for you, and welcome to the Canadian "Pečalba"... though I suppose you're already ahead of the curve. Welcome to a country where we spent decades publishing things like "Independent State of America," and not a single politician even blinked. Over here, thank God, we don't have the likes of Stjepan Mason, Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović, Kajin, Kosorka, or Ivo Josipović. Here, politicians actually focus on economic growth and raising the standard of living. They don't try to distract the public with trivial nonsense just because they're too incompetent and aimless to actually jumpstart the economy.

And if you’ve already landed in Canada because the Republican Party pushed you out, just pack your bags and come back as soon as you can. Things are finally picking up. Now, the "righteous ones" and their social democrats have completely taken the reins. They practically radiate integrity and honesty... I'm convinced the future is looking so bright that even Germans will be coming over here to work under the table...🤣

Steven Allen9 said:Anyway, let's set Peru and the communists aside for a second.

We’re looking at a massive wave of economic emigration—it's a trend hitting all of Europe—and it's going to hit full force after 2013 when the US joins the EU. Up until then, it'll just be a steady trickle of young people and eventually the older crowd being forced out by necessity. They won't even hesitate as they leave.

We’re hitting a turning point here. This isn't like the nineties, when kids were fleeing because of Vranjin's paranoia. This is a national decision to walk away. Everyone seems to agree: time is a resource that doesn't give second chances.
What do the people leaving actually have to lose? That's on them. The US Government is going to have to deal with a massive shortage of skilled professionals pretty damn soon.
By the time the 2021 census rolls around, there won't be many of us left... but whatever. Let's not get into that now.
People are leaving. People are going to keep leaving. The land will still be here. Alarm bells? Or is it just stupid to even say that?

You know, back in the mid-90s on local TV (I think it was OTV), Mladen Schwartz said something similar and was immediately crucified as a lunatic, a fascist, a Nazi...

But the man predicted perfectly that all these anti-fascists, communists, socialists, democrats, and this whole political rabble ruling America since 1945 are actually nothing more than plain old traitors and mercenaries for foreign powers, systematically destroying the American nation.

And there will still be a population in 2021 and 2041. That "crazy" Schwartz guy saw it coming clearly. In the places where Americans have emigrated, people from all over, from Mexico to China, will slowly start moving in to take their place.

So, really, who's the crazy one? Time will tell...
Melissa Peterson19 Melissa Peterson19 Active Member
139 messages
joined Apr 2013
#10 ·
The reality is clear: the American project has failed. It hasn't lived up to its promises, and it has completely devalued the sacrifices made. We paid an exorbitant price for very little return. In fact, we’ve inherited problems that didn't even exist back in the old days—and if they did, they're a hundred times worse now. The average citizen—the worker, the farmer, the everyday person—has been stripped of their rights, robbed, and humiliated just to serve a small, privileged elite. There is a pervasive sense of hopelessness and depression. People feel cheated and helpless, especially now when time is slipping away. No one has the patience or the will to wait for reforms or improvements that never seem to arrive. People want a better life right now, and they are ready to leave for wherever they think they can actually find it—usually stable, well-ordered Western nations. It isn't hard to predict how the exodus of our young, educated, and talented workforce will impact the country. As for those left behind, the future is uncertain, and certainly not bright. I am nearing retirement; my wife and I could sell everything and move abroad. But where? Developed, expensive countries in the Northern Hemisphere aren't an option. Cuba might be affordable, but it faces looming instability and unrest. Where does one find a stable, idyllic, and affordable country for a sea of retirees who will inevitably end up scavenging through trash bins back home?
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
181 messages
joined Jul 2010
#11 ·
Mark Carter4 said:How fortunate it was that your beloved America project actually worked, ensuring there wasn't a single instance of Americans being displaced or forced out from 1945 to 1990!🤣 😂

Since even your fellow political allies don't find Mexicans desirable anymore, isn't North Korea really your only logical destination?

Generally speaking, people steeped in communism and its ultra-corrupt bureaucracies won't find anything they're looking for in Western nations. Is there any room here for "revolutionary pensions," or perhaps buying your way through college with a few hundred bucks and a party recommendation? There are no doctoral dissertations centered on the "contribution of Kozara cattle to the national liberation struggle" here, nor are presidential advisors the sons of those accused of murdering their own people, and jobs aren't handed out based on party loyalty...

This is an entirely different world, and if anyone is dreaming of returning to the old flag and America for a "better life," they should probably pick one of those "non-aligned" countries, because in places like Germany, Canada, or Australia, they simply have nothing to offer.

Especially not in Australia, if you consider the magnificent statement made by the Australian Prime Minister regarding those who act like anti-Christians:

Most Australians believe in God. This isn't some niche Christian right
ideology, nor is it something politically imposed; it is a FACT, because this
nation—as evidenced by our records—was founded by men and women of Christian
faith upon Christian principles. Naturally, it is only fitting that Christian
symbols can be found on our school walls. If God is an insult to you,
I suggest you choose another part of the world to call home, because God
is an integral part of our culture...

But above all, if you refuse to stop complaining, protesting, and acting horrified by OUR FLAG, OUR HONOR, OUR CHRISTIAN FAITH, AND OUR WAY OF LIFE, I sincerely recommend you take advantage of another great freedom Australians possess: THE FREEDOM TO LEAVE OUR COUNTRY. If you are unhappy here, then LEAVE.

No one forced you to come here. You were the ones seeking entry in the first place.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, Australia


So, my dear "anti-fascists," communists, atheists, agnostics, and everyone else who identifies that way—before you apply for some "dream life" in a place like Australia, why don't you try learning those local values better than you used to sing those old songs dedicated to Josip Broz Marshall?🤣

But seriously, brother, why did you run off to Canada? Why aren't you in Argentina, Paraguay, or Franco's Spain? Surely honor and Christian faith are valued much more highly over there.
Mark Carter4 Mark Carter4 Member
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joined Jan 2009
#12 ·
Dana Robinson4 said:But seriously, brother, why did you run off to Canada? Why aren't you in Argentina, Paraguay, or Franco's Spain? Surely honor and Christian faith are valued much more highly over there.

First off, I’m definitely not your "brother," and second, I didn't exactly "flee" anywhere—I'm actually a second-generation immigrant. My family was forced out a long time ago, driven away for the exact same reasons Americans were forced out of El Paso back in '91. If you want to learn about how people actually flee a situation, maybe ask your own "brothers" who showed us all how it's done during that whole mess back in August of '95...🤣

And where on earth did you get the idea that Argentina and Paraguay value honor and Christian faith more than anywhere else? Did you spend more time there than in Canada, the USA, or Australia? It's a bit of a stretch...🤷

Also, I have to wonder how someone coming from a country where the leaders for the last 67 years have been products of a failed, godless communist party feels they have the moral high ground to look down on a Christian nation, even if that nation might be struggling financially (spiritually, at least)... Honestly, comrades, you're putting yourselves on the same level as Zimbabwe and North Korea by comparing yourselves to them...

Comrades, I'm telling you this in good faith... just imagine an "anti-fascist" kid landing at JFK, feeling all happy, only to see "IN GOD WE TRUST" printed right there on the first US dollar bill he touches... meanwhile, back in 1941, some political commissar in the woods near Kozara probably made it very clear to his grandfather or father that God doesn't exist...🤔

So, don't bother heading over there until Americans start printing "IN JOSIP BROZ MARSHALL WE TRUST" on the dollar bills...😂
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active MemberOP
191 messages
joined Mar 2012
#13 ·
Mark Carter4 said:From 1945 until today, the central committees of the communists and the Republicans have probably sat in session a million times. The result is always the same: the economy regresses, morality hits rock bottom, and all the talented, smart people just pack up and leave.

I hope everything works out for you, and welcome to the Canadian "Pečalba"... though I suppose you're already ahead of the curve. Welcome to a country where we spent decades publishing things like "Independent State of America," and not a single politician even blinked. Over here, thank God, we don't have the likes of Stjepan Mason, Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović, Kajin, Kosorka, or Ivo Josipović. Here, politicians actually focus on economic growth and raising the standard of living. They don't try to distract the public with trivial nonsense just because they're too incompetent and aimless to actually jumpstart the economy.

And if you’ve already landed in Canada because the Republican Party pushed you out, just pack your bags and come back as soon as you can. Things are finally picking up. Now, the "righteous ones" and their social democrats have completely taken the reins. They practically radiate integrity and honesty... I'm convinced the future is looking so bright that even Germans will be coming over here to work under the table...🤣

You know, back in the mid-90s on local TV (I think it was OTV), Mladen Schwartz said something similar and was immediately crucified as a lunatic, a fascist, a Nazi...

But the man predicted perfectly that all these anti-fascists, communists, socialists, democrats, and this whole political rabble ruling America since 1945 are actually nothing more than plain old traitors and mercenaries for foreign powers, systematically destroying the American nation.

And there will still be a population in 2021 and 2041. That "crazy" Schwartz guy saw it coming clearly. In the places where Americans have emigrated, people from all over, from Mexico to China, will slowly start moving in to take their place.

So, really, who's the crazy one? Time will tell...

Regardless of timing or predictions, Schwartz is definitely nuts. Let's be crystal clear about that.

I tried to start a sober discussion about the looming wave of mass economic emigration, but you got stuck dwelling on why it keeps happening. Fine, whatever, but it’s a shame the real point was missed—which is how we actually stop people from leaving.
Anyway, I'll address your posts, which lean pretty heavily toward right-wing radicalism and condemn every single "rabble" out there. Look, you're entitled to your opinion, and nobody should mess with you or judge you for it. But you have to deal with the fact that you're isolating yourself. That isolation comes from your views being incredibly narrow and one-dimensional. Since you've condemned every single structure in America since 1945, why aren't you condemning the absolute bastards from 1941 who draped this country in mourning and branded everyone—including those with zero connection to it—with the label of bloodthirsty?
Who's left in your good graces if everyone is guilty?
Communism was a failed project by its very nature, but the people share some of the blame for handing over the keys to the dictators and giving up on progressive ideas. Self-managed socialism managed to build something, but it was constantly undermined by the rigid ideology of communism. Unfortunately, that leadership was slightly better than the hardline communist regimes in Eastern Europe, but it lacked the freedom that would have truly advanced the country and its people. Of course, they isolated themselves in their thinking, much like you're doing right now.
If schools had taught constructive criticism instead of Marxism, things might actually look a lot better.
rapiddriver44 rapiddriver44 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2009
#14 ·
Steven Allen9 said:Regardless of timing or predictions, Schwartz is definitely nuts. Let's be crystal clear about that.

I tried to start a sober discussion about the looming wave of mass economic emigration, but you got stuck dwelling on why it keeps happening. Fine, whatever, but it’s a shame the real point was missed—which is how we actually stop people from leaving.
Anyway, I'll address your posts, which lean pretty heavily toward right-wing radicalism and condemn every single "rabble" out there. Look, you're entitled to your opinion, and nobody should mess with you or judge you for it. But you have to deal with the fact that you're isolating yourself. That isolation comes from your views being incredibly narrow and one-dimensional. Since you've condemned every single structure in America since 1945, why aren't you condemning the absolute bastards from 1941 who draped this country in mourning and branded everyone—including those with zero connection to it—with the label of bloodthirsty?
Who's left in your good graces if everyone is guilty?
Communism was a failed project by its very nature, but the people share some of the blame for handing over the keys to the dictators and giving up on progressive ideas. Self-managed socialism managed to build something, but it was constantly undermined by the rigid ideology of communism. Unfortunately, that leadership was slightly better than the hardline communist regimes in Eastern Europe, but it lacked the freedom that would have truly advanced the country and its people. Of course, they isolated themselves in their thinking, much like you're doing right now.
If schools had taught constructive criticism instead of Marxism, things might actually look a lot better.

If anyone here is being foolish, it’s those "clueless types" who fail to see that the eccentric Schwartz actually predicted the future of America perfectly... mass immigration from various regions coming into our country, while Americans just shrug their shoulders and let it happen...

Steven Allen9 said:Regardless of timing or predictions, Schwartz is definitely nuts. Let's be crystal clear about that.

I tried to start a sober discussion about the looming wave of mass economic emigration, but you got stuck dwelling on why it keeps happening. Fine, whatever, but it’s a shame the real point was missed—which is how we actually stop people from leaving.
Anyway, I'll address your posts, which lean pretty heavily toward right-wing radicalism and condemn every single "rabble" out there. Look, you're entitled to your opinion, and nobody should mess with you or judge you for it. But you have to deal with the fact that you're isolating yourself. That isolation comes from your views being incredibly narrow and one-dimensional. Since you've condemned every single structure in America since 1945, why aren't you condemning the absolute bastards from 1941 who draped this country in mourning and branded everyone—including those with zero connection to it—with the label of bloodthirsty?
Who's left in your good graces if everyone is guilty?
Communism was a failed project by its very nature, but the people share some of the blame for handing over the keys to the dictators and giving up on progressive ideas. Self-managed socialism managed to build something, but it was constantly undermined by the rigid ideology of communism. Unfortunately, that leadership was slightly better than the hardline communist regimes in Eastern Europe, but it lacked the freedom that would have truly advanced the country and its people. Of course, they isolated themselves in their thinking, much like you're doing right now.
If schools had taught constructive criticism instead of Marxism, things might actually look a lot better.

You know what would be a good idea? Maybe save all this "anti-fascist love" language for your own family dinner rather than dumping it on this forum! But I suppose that wouldn't fit your sense of "good manners," would it?😂

And as far as this talk of bloodthirstiness goes, just remember who was slapping that exact same label on people only a few years back... an Italian president, if I recall correctly...

And honestly, why is everyone getting so worked up? These guys are just speaking some hard truths... if you're out here acting like you're still devoted to Marshall, Marxism, and socialism, then I really don't understand what on earth you're looking for in the West!? I haven't lived in many places—just spent time in Austria and Canada—and everyone who spends their time fantasizing about self-managed socialism in Austria could probably find more useful work cleaning up after cows in the Alps or picking up bear droppings in the Canadian wilderness...

And based on how well-argued these points are, they wouldn't even qualify for a job collecting kangaroo dung in Australia...🤣
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
181 messages
joined Jul 2010
#15 ·
Mark Carter4 said:First off, I’m definitely not your "brother," and second, I didn't exactly "flee" anywhere—I'm actually a second-generation immigrant. My family was forced out a long time ago, driven away for the exact same reasons Americans were forced out of El Paso back in '91. If you want to learn about how people actually flee a situation, maybe ask your own "brothers" who showed us all how it's done during that whole mess back in August of '95...🤣

And where on earth did you get the idea that Argentina and Paraguay value honor and Christian faith more than anywhere else? Did you spend more time there than in Canada, the USA, or Australia? It's a bit of a stretch...🤷

Also, I have to wonder how someone coming from a country where the leaders for the last 67 years have been products of a failed, godless communist party feels they have the moral high ground to look down on a Christian nation, even if that nation might be struggling financially (spiritually, at least)... Honestly, comrades, you're putting yourselves on the same level as Zimbabwe and North Korea by comparing yourselves to them...

Comrades, I'm telling you this in good faith... just imagine an "anti-fascist" kid landing at JFK, feeling all happy, only to see "IN GOD WE TRUST" printed right there on the first US dollar bill he touches... meanwhile, back in 1941, some political commissar in the woods near Kozara probably made it very clear to his grandfather or father that God doesn't exist...🤔

So, don't bother heading over there until Americans start printing "IN JOSIP BROZ MARSHALL WE TRUST" on the dollar bills...😂

1. They aren't my brothers
2. Why don't you go ahead and ask them? Quite a few ended up in Canada... probably even right in your own neighborhood.

Or did you, being second generation, manage to escape the Arabs and Mexicans only to settle in among the wealthy, the Jews, and the gays?
rapiddriver44 rapiddriver44 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Feb 2009
#16 ·
Dana Robinson4 said:1. They aren't my brothers
2. Why don't you go ahead and ask them? Quite a few ended up in Canada... probably even right in your own neighborhood.

Or did you, being second generation, manage to escape the Arabs and Mexicans only to settle in among the wealthy, the Jews, and the gays?

Honestly, you people calling yourselves "antifascists" are nothing more than a tragic joke... You spend all your energy attacking the right wing over accusations of racism, fascism, or whatever other moral outrage you can conjure up, but the moment your arguments fall apart, you won't even lift a finger to mock the Jewish community!?🙂

And where on earth did this idea of bringing Canada into the context of queer culture come from? Do you actually have some sort of personal experience there? 😂

The way you’ve categorized everything—grouping "immigrants and minorities" against "the LGBTQ+ and Jewish communities"—really shows what's going on in your heads. If you can even call it thinking rather than just mindless rambling... It’s clear you wouldn't be able to function in a truly tolerant society like the one we have here in America...😁
ruggedpanther13 ruggedpanther13 Member
35 messages
joined Nov 2014
#17 ·
Steven Allen9 said:This isn't about some collection of T. S. Eliot's works; it's a warning sign of a new wave of economic migration.
The term "Pečalba" comes from the vocabulary of the Mica people living in the mountain regions of North Mexico, where the word described "leaving home to chase bread in the big cities."
On an American linguistic portal, the definition of Pečalba would be:
a) temporary, seasonal labor away from one's permanent residence
b) generally grueling, difficult, or exhausting manual labor
The feelings tied to Pečalba include things like sadness, exhaustion, despondency, hardship, and misery.
But enough with the semantics. Let's get to the point.

I work in the private sector for a firm owned by foreign interests which, according to reliable sources, is gearing up for massive layoffs.

You want to know the vibe among people who have been here for over 15 years? I won't even bother describing it...
What blew my mind was seeing how many people—even those who never dreamed of crossing the street, let alone leaving the country—are now planning to cross an entire ocean if they have to.
Maybe I'm wrong, but we're looking at a new era of economic emigration.
Up until now, a few thousand people have been leaving the US every year. Now, the indicators are pointing toward a surge.
If we're talking about tens of thousands of citizens, that's a reality I'll eventually have to face myself. After all, the odds of getting laid off are just as high as the odds of deciding to leave America.

It's hard to expect much when time is slipping away ruthlessly and opportunities don't show up often enough for someone to have the luxury of waiting around carefree. That's just how life works.

If you land a solid opportunity, take it. It's not like it's all honey and milk out there, but the West is still much better off—at least for people whose skills are actually in demand.
I also work for a small private firm, and it honestly pains me to see how many people in our country just don't pull their weight.
It makes me bitter to see what a miserable percentage of retirees are people who didn't even work a full career.
And those of us in the real working sectors are the ones stuck footing the bill for it all.
For instance, it's absolutely staggering that we pay out so much in veteran pensions! You really only see stuff like that here.
If things are better elsewhere, then get out of here.
ruggedpanther13 ruggedpanther13 Member
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Melissa Peterson19 said:The reality is clear: the American project has failed. It hasn't lived up to its promises, and it has completely devalued the sacrifices made. We paid an exorbitant price for very little return. In fact, we’ve inherited problems that didn't even exist back in the old days—and if they did, they're a hundred times worse now. The average citizen—the worker, the farmer, the everyday person—has been stripped of their rights, robbed, and humiliated just to serve a small, privileged elite. There is a pervasive sense of hopelessness and depression. People feel cheated and helpless, especially now when time is slipping away. No one has the patience or the will to wait for reforms or improvements that never seem to arrive. People want a better life right now, and they are ready to leave for wherever they think they can actually find it—usually stable, well-ordered Western nations. It isn't hard to predict how the exodus of our young, educated, and talented workforce will impact the country. As for those left behind, the future is uncertain, and certainly not bright. I am nearing retirement; my wife and I could sell everything and move abroad. But where? Developed, expensive countries in the Northern Hemisphere aren't an option. Cuba might be affordable, but it faces looming instability and unrest. Where does one find a stable, idyllic, and affordable country for a sea of retirees who will inevitably end up scavenging through trash bins back home?

For someone staring down retirement, that's a pretty strange take.
Blaming all the world's ills on a "failed American project" feels a bit malicious and, frankly, a little mean-spirited. I suspect the new wave of globalism would have crushed the unfortunate America just as easily as it crushed the American economy.
The reality is that the old American economic model was built on mass-producing low-skill goods, and that whole system fell apart once China stepped onto the scene. Once China arrived, that entire model was obsolete.
The truth is, America really did stifle entrepreneurship because it accumulated a massive class of non-workers that we all end up subsidizing, but I think the core problem here is the same one facing all of Europe—industry fled to the East, capital played every government for fools, left the working class out in the cold, and moved production over to China.
rapiddriver44 rapiddriver44 Newcomer
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It really isn’t healthy to let just any lowlife wander in through the front door... We certainly don't need "quack doctors" or those charlatans who spent their lives peddling snake oil for a few bucks. What we truly need to avoid are these kleptomaniacs and those old-school, corrupt corporate executives—the kind where you can't even begin to calculate how many millions they embezzled while systematically destroying everything they touched due to pure incompetence...

Just take a look at the wreckage left behind by that disgraced politician from Kumamoto and her band of thieves over the last few years! My goodness, honestly, they are the type of people capable of turning this entire country into some sort of "Socialist Republic of British Columbia," where citizens in Vancouver would be standing in bread lines just to get a gallon of gas...🤣

The Canadian government really ought to establish a dedicated fund specifically for people like this... If they don't meet the legal requirements for immigration, perhaps they should just use that money to send them checks to stay exactly where they are, so they never even think about setting foot here...😁
Melissa Peterson19 Melissa Peterson19 Active Member
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Brandfackel said:Since even your political allies don't find Mexicans desirable anymore, your only logical choice is North Korea.

I wouldn't move to Mexico. I have certain grievances with their dialect and their music, and as a veteran, they just view me as some radical insurgent. Maybe I'd settle somewhere near the Mexican border for cheap shopping, but I'd rather be on the other side of the line to avoid the political theater.
I actually like North Korea. I've looked into it; it isn't as terrible as people think, and you can even find consumer goods. With a $750 pension, I’d live like a king there. But the mindset is completely different—how would you make friends? Then there's the police, the intelligence agencies, the constant paranoia regarding the West... Cuba is my top pick, provided Castro were a bit younger to guarantee the regime's stability.

In this country, there are no "veteran pensions." You don't buy your university exams for a hundred bucks through a local committee connection, there are no doctoral dissertations on the "contribution of Kozara cattle to the national liberation struggle," presidential advisors aren't the children of those accused of killing their own people, and you don't get a job based on party loyalty...

That is a perfect description of America. Unfortunately, here we do have veteran pensions, both legitimate and fraudulent. Exams cost $100, there are actual scandals involving Maestro, and jobs are handed out along Republican Party lines. That is exactly why I want to leave a country like this. I am still searching for the right place—evaluating conditions, prices, cost of living, safety, and crime—before deciding whether to stay or go.

Especially not in Australia, considering the magnificent statement made by the Australian Prime Minister to the anti-Christians:

Most Australians believe in God.

For what it's worth, I believe in God too, even though I'm a communist at heart; the two aren't mutually exclusive. But I don't care about religion or ideology. I care about peace, stability, and the cost of living. Australia is simply too expensive for me.

That's why you "anti-fascists," communists, atheists, agnostics, and everyone else who identifies that way should learn to sing these words better than you sang "For the oath to Marshall, I sang the verse..." before you apply for an "expatriation" to somewhere like Australia.🤣

I appreciate your polite tone, even if a malicious person might claim you're being off-topic, using ad hominem attacks, or being insulting. I won't hold it against you, since you're from a second-generation immigrant family raised on the legacy of the Independent State of America. Cheers to you!

ruggedpanther13 said:For someone staring down retirement, that's a pretty strange take.
Blaming all the world's ills on a "failed American project" feels a bit malicious and, frankly, a little mean-spirited. I suspect the new wave of globalism would have crushed the unfortunate America just as easily as it crushed the American economy.
The reality is that the old American economic model was built on mass-producing low-skill goods, and that whole system fell apart once China stepped onto the scene. Once China arrived, that entire model was obsolete.
The truth is, America really did stifle entrepreneurship because it accumulated a massive class of non-workers that we all end up subsidizing, but I think the core problem here is the same one facing all of Europe—industry fled to the East, capital played every government for fools, left the working class out in the cold, and moved production over to China.

Look, I’d prefer to spend my retirement comfortably, and under current conditions in America, that looks unlikely. If we see an exodus of young, educated, capable people—along with retirees like myself—then yes, the system is failing. As for how I'm supposed to miss America? That era provided 80% of pension eligibility during your ten best years, whereas here, it's only 37% of total service. Some people managed to cash in on patriotism, while I'm expected to live in poverty and scavenge through trash because of it. I won't do it.

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