Unbalanced Republicans

Tomba17 said:Basically, you can split political parties in Ireland—and their supporters—into three camps. You've got those who love the English, those who openly despise them, and those who hate them but think it’s tacky to say it out loud. Every single party and person in Ireland falls into one of those three buckets.

Is that really your argument, Ethan Allen2?

So what actually sets the parties in America apart if that's the only metric? Look, the economy is tanking, which should be the perfect moment for any party—whether they're running the show or sitting in opposition—to step up with actual solutions. Politics is always full of demagogues anyway, so whether the plans are realistic shouldn't even matter. Even without a crisis, the ratio of workers to non-workers in America gets worse every year—and I'm talking about retirees, students, veterans, and everyone else drawing from the system without contributing to the economy—yet not a single party has a plan to fix it. No one has the guts to propose a program to reduce the number of people living off the state. Not the Nationalist Party, not the Republican Party, not the Democratic Party, not the Liberal Party, not the Localist Party, or anyone else. None of them have the balls to say the only way out is to cut benefits for everyone who isn't working, even if it's harsh, just so the whole ship doesn't sink.

Since every single party agrees on that point, what are they actually supposed to disagree on? Minority rights in America, or how Americans are treated abroad?

Ethan Allen2 said:So what actually sets the parties in America apart if that's the only metric? Look, the economy is tanking, which should be the perfect moment for any party—whether they're running the show or sitting in opposition—to step up with actual solutions. Politics is always full of demagogues anyway, so whether the plans are realistic shouldn't even matter. Even without a crisis, the ratio of workers to non-workers in America gets worse every year—and I'm talking about retirees, students, veterans, and everyone else drawing from the system without contributing to the economy—yet not a single party has a plan to fix it. No one has the guts to propose a program to reduce the number of people living off the state. Not the Nationalist Party, not the Republican Party, not the Democratic Party, not the Liberal Party, not the Localist Party, or anyone else. None of them have the balls to say the only way out is to cut benefits for everyone who isn't working, even if it's harsh, just so the whole ship doesn't sink.

Since every single party agrees on that point, what are they actually supposed to disagree on? Minority rights in America, or how Americans are treated abroad?

Paul, my friend, you skipped over your own argument, but whatever. Less important.

Cutting benefits for everyone not working isn't the only way out.
That is just one piece of the puzzle, and it's completely insufficient unless we tackle these issues too:

1. Increasing the efficiency of the administration funded by federal, county, city, and local structures. In short: making the government apparatus actually productive.
2. Implementing a totally transparent procurement process for goods and services in public spending. This should apply to state-owned companies holding monopolies as well.
3. Implementing standard working hours—40 hours a week—for all civil servants, especially those in educational institutions from elementary schools to universities. A more efficient school system means either fewer teachers without lowering the student-to-teacher ratio (reducing costs), or more teachers per student without increasing spending (improving quality).
4. Abolishing outdated economic crimes and opening the books of all state institutions and corporations to the public, so that anyone responsible for theft or corruption can be prosecuted.
5. Publishing the names of all recipients—currently around 42,000 people—of veteran benefit payouts. We need an audit of these lists and to claw back the money stolen by fake veterans.
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927.

We are facing a crisis of values, where people are asked to make sacrifices while criminal maniacs occupy the highest seats of power. This crisis of values was born, nurtured, and perfected by the old regime, and now we have simply inherited it. This isn't anything new for our neck of the woods; it's how ruling elites have behaved since 1945.

America needs to perform a purge of the old system, though not regarding veteran status, which is unnecessary to fix this specific mess (though historically desirable). We need a purge based on criminality. People like Nobilo, Dubajica, or Mason didn't just appear yesterday. They've been here since the beginning.

And America—just like any other country in this state—won't escape this crisis unless you cut off the head of the snake. How can the little guy be expected to have a conscience if the giants at the top don't?
I can't wrap my head around why someone wouldn't avoid paying taxes at every turn if the ruling elite are cheating and stealing. Morality and values trickle down from the top; they don't bubble up from the bottom in a country like America.

The current debt stands at $40 million.

Miroslav Harmon set aside $10 million, half of which he inherited from the old federal system. He used those funds to defend the nation, fight the war, build the state from scratch, take care of millions of displaced people from America and Canada, and jumpstart the economy.

Under Racan, the debt doubled to $20 million in just five years.
Then Sanders took over and doubled it again to $40 million during his five-year term.
Meanwhile, Mason presided over the next ten years.

Yet you still have these small-town idiots rambling on about how Harmon is responsible for where we stand today.

😂

ruggedfalcon28 said:What’s he actually bringing to the table? Handing out autographs?

Seriously though, who even counts as the right wing in America these days?
Parag revived the Libertarian Party and started up his own Paramilitary group. If he doesn't have the right to act, then who does? I'm pretty sure there's some old PDF floating around titled "Where on earth is Parag?"
I'm just asking the question.

Steven Allen9 said:Seriously though, who even counts as the right wing in America these days?
Parag revived the Libertarian Party and started up his own Paramilitary group. If he doesn't have the right to act, then who does? I'm pretty sure there's some old PDF floating around titled "Where on earth is Parag?"
I'm just asking the question.

Check out this forum run by his loyalists—maybe go ask them instead. http://hsp.makeforum.org/

As for him reviving the Libertarian Party—his followers wouldn't even know if he was actually in the country when that happened. Regarding the Paramilitary group, yeah, he was one of the ten founders, but most Paramilitary members today don't exactly have much love for Parag. That man is ancient history.

I really wish Miroslav Harmon would run in the next race for Prime Minister, or at least lead a parliamentary group as a representative or a party made up entirely of decent, honest, and experienced people. ☕ I think he earned a lot of respect during his run for President 🙂

casualangler9 said:I really wish Miroslav Harmon would run in the next race for Prime Minister, or at least lead a parliamentary group as a representative or a party made up entirely of decent, honest, and experienced people. ☕ I think he earned a lot of respect during his run for President 🙂

Yeah, he earned "respect" from about 4.1% of the voters.
If a guy has even a shred of political intelligence, he isn't going to let himself suffer a similar disaster anytime soon.

Jamie Price4 said:Yeah, he earned "respect" from about 4.1% of the voters.
If a guy has even a shred of political intelligence, he isn't going to let himself suffer a similar disaster anytime soon.

Getting over 4% is actually solid, especially considering how much pushback he faced from the media.
I don't see the big deal; compared to the disasters we saw with folks like Josipović or Bandić, or how clumsy the right wing acted...
I think there’s a massive opportunity to grow that number next time. 👍
It's a strong starting point.

ruggedfalcon28 said:Check out this forum run by his loyalists—maybe go ask them instead. http://hsp.makeforum.org/

As for him reviving the Libertarian Party—his followers wouldn't even know if he was actually in the country when that happened. Regarding the Paramilitary group, yeah, he was one of the ten founders, but most Paramilitary members today don't exactly have much love for Parag. That man is ancient history.

Look, we’re talking about one of the founders here—someone who actually survived Harmon's assassination attempts, even if he didn't survive the dirty internal sabotage. Once Đapić was installed, the entire right wing just effectively ceased to exist. Sure, the Libertarian Party popped up, but the big names like Gabelica and Podrug never moved an inch beyond their local voter base because they're nothing more than lapdogs. I'm talking about Paraga. The guy actually had the balls to speak the truth, which was unthinkable back when people were disappearing overnight.
If he actually comes back, it’d be a breath of fresh air compared to most of these fossils just coasting until retirement.

ruggedfalcon28 said:Check out this forum run by his loyalists—maybe go ask them instead. http://hsp.makeforum.org/

As for him reviving the Libertarian Party—his followers wouldn't even know if he was actually in the country when that happened. Regarding the Paramilitary group, yeah, he was one of the ten founders, but most Paramilitary members today don't exactly have much love for Parag. That man is ancient history.

Come on, give it a rest regarding Paraga. You clearly don't have a clue who he actually is, and you're certainly the last person on earth who should be lecturing anyone about how the Libertarian Party was founded or which National Guardsmen actually get along with him and which ones don't.
Look, Paraga is a true reformer. He was the first—and honestly, the only—legally elected president of the Libertarian Party. Plus, he’s the main guy behind the creation of the National Guard and serves as its supreme commander. You can see that clearly enough just by looking at the evidence you're gathering. You're acting like a little squirrel, scurrying around all over different websites collecting data on the National Guard just to dump it here on the forums.
And honestly, it’s probably for the best that you included that link to the Libertarian Party forum. Now everyone gets a front-row seat to your little obsession with the Libertarian Party and the National Guard—even though you've never actually been a National Guardsman. You just seem to spend all your time hanging around there, begging for scraps of information.

As far as the right wing goes... honestly, there hasn't been anything like it left in the States for a long, long time.

Paraga should've just ditched the HSP name altogether and started a fresh party. Every time they pivot, it just confuses the potential supporters who are actually looking for some clarity. An idea like Stračević's Right Party doesn't really move the needle much either... Honestly, I even pitched him a project once!

I can't help but feel that in America, we place far too little emphasis on actual culture. And by that, I don't mean those mindless, quasi-cultural vanity projects funded by taxpayers that offer absolutely zero practical benefit to the public. Don't you think we should be doing much more to promote reading, especially among our youth? Furthermore, the state of literary translation here is frankly abysmal; I get the distinct impression that we aren't just lagging behind the rest of the European Union, but are actually falling behind countries like Mexico in that regard as well.

When we discuss cultural hegemony, we need to be crystal clear about one thing: we aren't talking about museum pieces or dead traditions. When I use the word "culture," I am using it in its broadest sense. Culture encompasses an entire way of life, a specific style of living, and a deep understanding of the zeitgeist. In this arena, the Right has utterly failed over the last sixty years—not just here at home, but across the entire West. They haven't offered anything fresh. While right-wing thought possesses a profound literary and philosophical heritage, its potential champions in America have proven themselves completely incapable of stepping into that role. Today, through language, public discourse, higher education, and general lifestyle, the world is ruled exclusively by the Left and its various liberal offshoots. The Left has successfully branded itself as the vanguard of modernity, effectively dismissing all American conservatives and nationalists as mere Neanderthals or provincial hicks. And quite frankly, they have a point. We don't have a single legitimate cultural club where right-wing nationalists can gather to debate new ideas and articulate their vision in an elegant, sophisticated, and modern way. Until our nationalists realize that the primacy of ideas is what drives politics, they won't stand a chance of ever gaining power.

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casualangler9 said:Getting over 4% is actually solid, especially considering how much pushback he faced from the media.
I don't see the big deal; compared to the disasters we saw with folks like Josipović or Bandić, or how clumsy the right wing acted...
I think there’s a massive opportunity to grow that number next time. 👍
It's a strong starting point.

The kid's making moves. 👍

In 2003, it was 1.7%,
By 2010, it hit 4.09%
By 2017, maybe we see 7%,
2024: 10%
2031: 13%
2038: 16%
2045: 19%
By the time he hits his 100th birthday🧐 (born in 1945) maybe then he'll finally make it to the second round.

tarky said:An interesting topic to chew on.👍
I was watching this interview on CBS featuring a Dutch right-winger, and I found myself agreeing with him on almost every point. The man simply doesn't want his country to become a playground for legalized drug addiction, decadence, and prostitution; he wants immigrants to actually learn Dutch and show at least some respect for local traditions. It’s hardly an extreme position.☕
However, the sheer primitivism, chauvinism, and raw hatred radiating from the lowest rungs of the American right wing is truly appalling.👎

But let's be honest—the only real hatred comes from people like you.

Jamie Price4 said:Yeah, he earned "respect" from about 4.1% of the voters.
If a guy has even a shred of political intelligence, he isn't going to let himself suffer a similar disaster anytime soon.

That guy's been stuck at 6 or 7 percent for twenty years now.

Solid post, northernbison6..
Even as a leftist, I can't stand the idea of a country lacking any kind of political balance—you need a counterweight, a spectrum of right-wing perspectives. I see Paraga and that former expat Nikola Štedul as the heavy hitters in that specific circle of political action.
The way those Hadad-style bottom-feeders contaminated the scene for years was incredibly damaging to the country and future generations. There's no doubt they're the ones most responsible for an entire decade of failures. If there isn't a serious right wing—and let’s not even count the folklore nationalists like AHSP, NHD, or HPSS, nor consider the Libertarian Party's involvement—then we have to admit that guys like Rožić, Tomašević, and Tadić within the old HSP were actually pretty promising figures carrying the right-wing torch. Even if Đapić was a total clown, the party still managed some decent results. Honestly, all America can hope for is the establishment of a legitimate, responsible right wing staffed by actual professionals..

Steven Allen9 said:Where is the actual, sane right wing? I’m talking about a movement that actually respects our national heritage and carries itself with some maturity—something people with common sense can actually get behind.
So, even if the Libertarian Party is heading in a certain direction to build out the right wing, why aren't we seeing other conservative circles popping up too? And more importantly, what kind of brilliant ideas are actually being floated?
I don't see any of the old-school Starčević crowd, I don't see Mr. Paraga, and I'm certainly not looking to anyone from those "neighborhood nationalist" groups like the Libertarian Party or HPSS.
The far-right flirting with those old NDH relics—like the AHSP or that comedian Schwartz from the NHD—isn't even worth a debate. It’s just political folklore for entertainment at this point.
It looks like this entire political circle is just a magnet for unstable right-wingers—people trapped in their own twisted fantasies and victims of their own shitty personalities.
Is there any chance these guys actually pull off a win? Maybe then we could all have a good laugh in Congress together. Honestly, their only real contribution to society is breaking up the sheer boredom of everything else. They’re basically doomed to a life lacking creativity, self-awareness, and basic common sense. It’s like they’re spiritually stunted, wandering through some endless field of childhood trauma instead of actually growing up and becoming functional adults who contribute something meaningful to the community.

In the US, there’s really only one party that actually follows a "don't touch me, I won't touch you" policy. Honestly, the whole single-party system vibe has worked perfectly here since 1990—it just operates on a completely different set of rules.
Right now, we’re dealing with these half-baked scandals and issues that could be fixed in ten minutes flat, yet people keep letting their brains get clogged with absolute nonsense. It’s like watching everyone’s IQ drop down to the level of a five-year-old. They constantly dig up old combs, boots, photos, or some distant great-grandchild's military trinkets from the NDH era just to drag up World War II history. It's all a tactic to keep a heavy weight of guilt hanging around our necks. Who benefits from this? Obviously the same people who turned this country into a textbook example of an economic colony.
Why do right-wing parties even bother existing? If you take an objective look at the media landscape and the moral compass of modern America, you’ll realize they basically work overtime to shatter any sense of social cohesion. They make sure there’s never a unified sentiment strong enough to build a critical mass that could actually push back against the establishment. It’s a rigged game. If you show even a shred of patriotism, you’re immediately branded a neo-Nazi. If you suggest that it’s weird having people parading around half-naked in the streets claiming rights, suddenly you’re a bigot who needs to be sent to Alcatraz—and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The media climate is intentionally engineered this way to kill off any sense of national unity, which is pretty easy to explain once you look at who actually owns every major news outlet and digital platform in the country.
The exact same thing would happen if we actually managed to build a coalition of high-quality right-wing parties. Look at how they treat Josip Jurčević—they harass him so relentlessly that you won't find him mentioned in any major news outlet. The only place he ever pops up is on small-time blogs or when CBS is legally forced to cover him.
Look, Schwartz might come off like some kind of class clown or a comedian, but don't let that fool you. He’s in his position for a reason, and he isn't just playing the fool. People like him exist for one specific purpose: to constantly drag up the Holocaust and talk about the genocide of other nations—which is completely insane—but at the end of the day, he's just there to add more weight to the anchor.
I think it’s high time this massive political machine stopped obsessing over World War II and actually started looking toward the future. Honestly, there isn't a single party left that hasn't already bowed down and condemned those casualties. That era is dead and buried—this kind of politics isn't coming back, so let's move on.
Bottom line? A massive, highly organized power block pulling all the strings behind the scenes here in the States has zero interest in seeing a legitimate, high-quality movement take root. They don't want a group of untainted, heavy hitters who actually have the chops to shake things up. Why would they? It’s much easier for them to keep things exactly as they are—a rigged system where mindless puppets run through pre-planned scripts to distract the public while the real players move the pieces in the shadows. If they actually wanted to fix the future, they'd try to attract the brain drain and capital from expats abroad, but instead, they just prefer keeping the status quo intact.

gentleraven6 said:In the US, there’s really only one party that actually follows a "don't touch me, I won't touch you" policy. Honestly, the whole single-party system vibe has worked perfectly here since 1990—it just operates on a completely different set of rules.
Right now, we’re dealing with these half-baked scandals and issues that could be fixed in ten minutes flat, yet people keep letting their brains get clogged with absolute nonsense. It’s like watching everyone’s IQ drop down to the level of a five-year-old. They constantly dig up old combs, boots, photos, or some distant great-grandchild's military trinkets from the NDH era just to drag up World War II history. It's all a tactic to keep a heavy weight of guilt hanging around our necks. Who benefits from this? Obviously the same people who turned this country into a textbook example of an economic colony.
Why do right-wing parties even bother existing? If you take an objective look at the media landscape and the moral compass of modern America, you’ll realize they basically work overtime to shatter any sense of social cohesion. They make sure there’s never a unified sentiment strong enough to build a critical mass that could actually push back against the establishment. It’s a rigged game. If you show even a shred of patriotism, you’re immediately branded a neo-Nazi. If you suggest that it’s weird having people parading around half-naked in the streets claiming rights, suddenly you’re a bigot who needs to be sent to Alcatraz—and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The media climate is intentionally engineered this way to kill off any sense of national unity, which is pretty easy to explain once you look at who actually owns every major news outlet and digital platform in the country.
The exact same thing would happen if we actually managed to build a coalition of high-quality right-wing parties. Look at how they treat Josip Jurčević—they harass him so relentlessly that you won't find him mentioned in any major news outlet. The only place he ever pops up is on small-time blogs or when CBS is legally forced to cover him.
Look, Schwartz might come off like some kind of class clown or a comedian, but don't let that fool you. He’s in his position for a reason, and he isn't just playing the fool. People like him exist for one specific purpose: to constantly drag up the Holocaust and talk about the genocide of other nations—which is completely insane—but at the end of the day, he's just there to add more weight to the anchor.
I think it’s high time this massive political machine stopped obsessing over World War II and actually started looking toward the future. Honestly, there isn't a single party left that hasn't already bowed down and condemned those casualties. That era is dead and buried—this kind of politics isn't coming back, so let's move on.
Bottom line? A massive, highly organized power block pulling all the strings behind the scenes here in the States has zero interest in seeing a legitimate, high-quality movement take root. They don't want a group of untainted, heavy hitters who actually have the chops to shake things up. Why would they? It’s much easier for them to keep things exactly as they are—a rigged system where mindless puppets run through pre-planned scripts to distract the public while the real players move the pieces in the shadows. If they actually wanted to fix the future, they'd try to attract the brain drain and capital from expats abroad, but instead, they just prefer keeping the status quo intact.

I'm with you on this... these manufactured, trivial scandals are nothing but distractions.
And Prof. Jurčević is a legend.
What do you think about Paraga?

Man, what about M. Schwartz? That guy's just a selfish idiot.

tarky said:Interesting topic👍

But honestly, the sheer crudeness, chauvinism, and pure hatred coming from the lowest rungs of the American right wing is truly terrifying.👎

Do you actually have a specific example of this supposed primitivism, chauvinism, and low-level hatred?

Steven Allen9 said:I'm with you on this... these manufactured, trivial scandals are nothing but distractions.
And Prof. Jurčević is a legend.
What do you think about Paraga?

Man, what about M. Schwartz? That guy's just a selfish idiot.

Look, whether he’s an idiot or not is a whole different debate.
But here’s the bottom line: he’s out there calling for purging America of Jews, Roma, Mexicans, and so on. People like him are a gift to the media. They’re just waiting to drop a headline like "The Return of the Nationalists..." and boom—you, me, and every other American are instantly branded as monsters and killers.
Instead of the media tackling real issues—like how we prevent the thousands of veterans who lost their lives to suicide—they go after this stuff. Imagine if they actually covered those veteran associations that help guys with PTSD get into olive farming? It helps the vets find purpose, helps the community, and solves a real social issue.
To cut to the chase, fringe guys like Schwartz are basically a calculated project by the exact same media outlets that profit from them. These types serve them perfectly because they bury the actual problems (solving real issues makes society more unified and strong, which isn't what certain groups want for America), while simultaneously pinning the label of "murderer" on anyone else.

As for Paraga, I’ll just say he probably has plenty to say, but I doubt it makes sense to speak up now. The entire media machine would tear him apart, so he’s likely staying on the sidelines waiting for a better opening. Honestly, though, I don't see that moment coming anytime soon. America is completely broken right now—economically, politically, diplomatically, and worst of all, morally. As an individual, he’s got his work cut out for him.

Nathan Ortiz2 said:Come on, give it a rest regarding Paraga. You clearly don't have a clue who he actually is, and you're certainly the last person on earth who should be lecturing anyone about how the Libertarian Party was founded or which National Guardsmen actually get along with him and which ones don't.
Look, Paraga is a true reformer. He was the first—and honestly, the only—legally elected president of the Libertarian Party. Plus, he’s the main guy behind the creation of the National Guard and serves as its supreme commander. You can see that clearly enough just by looking at the evidence you're gathering. You're acting like a little squirrel, scurrying around all over different websites collecting data on the National Guard just to dump it here on the forums.
And honestly, it’s probably for the best that you included that link to the Libertarian Party forum. Now everyone gets a front-row seat to your little obsession with the Libertarian Party and the National Guard—even though you've never actually been a National Guardsman. You just seem to spend all your time hanging around there, begging for scraps of information.

As far as the right wing goes... honestly, there hasn't been anything like it left in the States for a long, long time.

All you need to do is look at what Paraga said during the war regarding the Nationalists, the NDH, Ante Pavelić, and April 10th, versus what he says about those topics today—then anyone can see exactly what kind of man we're dealing with.

Regarding the title of "founder"—it's a simple question: Was Paraga present at the HSP rebuilding convention on February 25, 1990? Yes or no? Let's see who the actual founder is.