Vedic Science

I might have miscategorized this under Spirituality, but since Vedic Science is fundamentally rooted in spirituality, I decided it belonged here after all.

I’m interested in hearing your perspectives on Vedic Science. Specifically, what do the Vedas mean to you, and how much do you actually trust the science behind them? If this topic has already been covered on the forum, please excuse my intrusion.

I’m not going to bore everyone with the basics of the Vedas right now. Most of you likely already know a thing or two, and if you don't, a quick Wikipedia search will get you up to speed. I want to skip the superlatives—all that talk about how they are the "oldest," "most comprehensive," or "longest" texts. That isn't my focus. I am interested in the actual philosophy and the science.

Western science views time as a linear progression, but the Vedas teach something entirely different. They present time as cyclical, broken down into four distinct stages that repeat eternally. In the Vedas, there is no definitive beginning or end; everything simply exists in an infinite loop.

Western evolutionary theory pushes an idiotic thesis: that consciousness somehow emerged from matter. I don't buy it. The Vedas propose the exact opposite—a process of devolution. In this view, matter actually developed out of consciousness. We didn't evolve upward; we descended from a state of pure consciousness.

The Vedas are fascinating because their myths and stories are frequently backed by physical evidence. Take the Ram Bridge mentioned in the Ramayana, for example. Satellite imagery recently revealed its existence between India and Sri Lanka. Then there are the numerous cities of Krishna described in the Mahabharata; many of these locations have been pinpointed, including underwater cities found off the coast of Gujarat that feature unmistakable symbols of Krishna. Even the Saraswati river, long dismissed as mere myth despite being precisely located in the Vedas, was only recently proven to exist through the discovery of a dried-up riverbed. It would be easy to dismiss these as legends if they weren't all documented in accounts spanning hundreds of thousands—and in some cases, millions—of years.

I mention these stories to illustrate the philosophy of cyclical time. Most myths within the Vedas take place in eras where humanity supposedly didn't even exist yet. When it comes to numbers, the Vedas are incredibly precise and literal.

As I’ve mentioned before, the Vedas describe time as being divided into four distinct cycles. According to these cycles, our civilization follows a predictable trajectory: we emerge from the Stone Age, climb toward a peak of highly advanced development, and eventually reach a point of such extreme saturation that it triggers a catastrophe. That collapse inevitably resets everything back to the Stone Age. Based on the Vedas, this isn't a one-time occurrence; it's a perpetual loop. We are simply one more civilization in a long line of societies that crawled out of the Stone Age and will surely fall right back into it.

The Vedas suggest that the Stone Age was actually triggered by a nuclear war between two ancient empires. One side is undoubtedly the empire of Ram, but the identity of the second empire remains a mystery—some theorists point toward the lost civilization of Lemuria. The evidence at Mohenjo-daro is hard to ignore. In the very heart of the city, researchers found radiation levels dozens of times higher than normal. The brick walls were literally melted, and traces of vitrified sand were discovered on-site. Most chillingly, they found dozens of human skeletons positioned as if they were caught in mid-flight, trying to escape. The physical evidence is overwhelming. According to the Vedas, an atomic bomb detonated just southwest of the Saraswati River, which aligns perfectly with the location of Mohenjo-daro. It’s a fascinating connection.

The Vedas frequently describe Vimana flying machines used for travel and even combat. These texts provide such detailed blueprints for construction that many researchers have studied them, concluding that building such craft is entirely feasible. The primary hurdle remains the propulsion system, which relies on pure mercury housed within the main engine. According to the Vedas, mercury is the only element capable of absorbing thought energy, allowing pilots to maneuver these crafts simply by directing their intentions toward the mercury. Some, like Swami Dev Murthi, claim the Vedas even contain instructions for constructing atomic bombs, though I haven't personally come across that specific data yet.

One of the core teachings of the Vedas is "Ahimsa," which translates to non-violence. The Vedas strictly prohibit eating meat or eggs, and they forbid participating in any form of violence against any living creature on this planet. Here is why that is the case.

Most of you have seen The Matrix, but few realize its foundations are rooted in the Vedas. The filmmakers are major followers of Vedic teachings. Essentially, the Vedas teach that we are all interconnected, forming a collective consciousness that serves as the basis for the material world—and vice versa. If we harm any living being, we are effectively harming a part of ourselves because of this connection. Everything physical is actually a vibration of consciousness. We are pure consciousness acting as observers; by observing matter, we grant it frequency, which allows it to exist. It’s similar to the holographic principle or zero-point field theories. All these concepts find their origins in the Vedas.

According to the Vedas, we are subject to the laws of karma. There are karmic laws embedded within our subconscious. Think of it as a form of memory that records every good and bad deed. These actions are weighed in our subconscious and remain there until the moment of death. When we die, our subconscious merges with universal consciousness, and in that state, we become acutely aware of everything we’ve done. Based on those deeds, it is determined whether we move on to the astral plane or are sent back to this world to work through our subconscious. The goal some call self-realization or enlightenment is to become aware of the subconscious. Within it lie "codes"—much like the "matrix" in the movie—that aren't visible at our current level of consciousness. We designed these codes ourselves to serve as a compass in this life.

The Vedas suggest that when a person dies, their consciousness, along with their soul (energy), lingers in an intermediate realm until we grasp what is happening and the subconscious completes its process. Once that happens, our consciousness enters a fetus, entering through the fontanelle. The fontanelle is the soft spot on a baby's skull that stays open for several months. This spot is significant because it sits directly above the pineal gland. The pineal gland is the center of consciousness, often referred to as the third eye. It's roughly the size of a pea, and the more developed it is, the more expansive the consciousness becomes. Because of this, the Vedas include a technique many of you may have heard of called "Sun Gazing," or solar yoga, which aims to increase the pineal gland by absorbing photonic energy. This explains why the sun is the most important deity in the Vedas. The sun represents life and everything in existence.

What I find fascinating about the Vedas is that they don't mention evolution. They clearly describe species that didn't evolve from something else, but have always existed. They speak of life adapting to Earth in ways that can change a species, but they don't subscribe to the theory of species evolving. They even mention dinosaurs, which is quite interesting.

I could write for hours about the Vedas. I began studying them in depth a few years ago because I find everything I need within them. The Vedas hold the answers to all questions, though they can be difficult to grasp. The texts themselves state that the point isn't just understanding a translation, but achieving individual realization. Regarding the Vedas, Brahmins represent pure consciousness, as all knowledge originates from there. The Vedas are described as the matrix of the collective consciousness residing within all of us; we simply need to learn how to read the codes.

An interesting point 😁

I consider myself more of an Advaita Vedanta follower, which basically means I’m all about having my own personal experiences rather than just treating the Vedas like some set of rigid dogmas.

Honestly, it's hard for me to weigh in on all those heavy texts... I just feel like everyone should find whatever truth resonates with them personally.

mistygull16 said:I consider myself more of an Advaita Vedanta follower, which basically means I’m all about having my own personal experiences rather than just treating the Vedas like some set of rigid dogmas.

Honestly, it's hard for me to weigh in on all those heavy texts... I just feel like everyone should find whatever truth resonates with them personally.

I completely agree. The Vedas can be an excellent guide, though I'm mostly interested in them from a historical perspective. I'm also drawn to Ayurvedic medicine, which isn't something you can easily—or even possibly—validate through personal experience alone.
When it comes to the self-development of consciousness, Advaita Vedanta is the mother 😁

What you’re writing doesn't really align with the Vedas. It feels more like later Purana-based Hinduism, some Western mystifications, and superficial pattern recognition. The Vedas don't deal with yogas, Vimanas, or the mythical wars of Rama; they don't prioritize non-violence, vegetarianism, reincarnation, chakras, or any of that. Honestly, I’m not even sure where some of this is being pulled from. For instance, these myths are notoriously vague when it comes to numbers and specific details—quite the opposite of what people assume. Usually, when you find archaeological evidence for a myth, the actual history is incomparably younger and the culture is much more primitive than described. They just throw around big numbers and flowery descriptions.

The Vedas represent the oldest substrate of Indian religions, clearly codified and passed down quite reliably through an oral tradition. Everything that developed later claims a connection to them, even if there isn't much of one. Modern Hinduism isn't a Vedic religion; it's a cocktail of those older roots mixed with the aforementioned Purana folk myths (which are much fluffier and constantly shifting), Shramana traditions (like Buddhism and Jainism), and things like Samkhya, yoga, Tantra, tribal cults, shamanism, and even Islam.

Furthermore, when people talk about "Vedic Science," they’re usually referring to the Vedanga auxiliary disciplines developed specifically to interpret the Vedas. But even there, you see all sorts of mixing. For example, Jyotish was created by layering Greek astrology over a relatively limited base of ritual astronomy. It wasn't derived directly from the Vedas, despite how much certain nationalists fight historical reality to try and make the Vedas the foundation for everything.

Ayurveda works in a similar way, categorized under one of the Vedas because of its health aspects. The catch is that most of it is magical-ritualistic, whereas 99% of what it actually covers isn't even in the foundational Vedic texts. It has its own separate texts and traditions that are constantly in flux, regardless of the somewhat codified modern phase meant for standardized academic teaching (though it hasn't been nearly as successful as the way the Chinese leveled out their traditional medicine and various versions of meridian points and such). In the US, you might see variations depending on the region, the institution, or the individual practitioner...

It’s fundamentally the same thing as calling Moses a Christian. It's a cool idea, but it's based on the classic, logically flawed "appeal to antiquity" fallacy. Everyone does it to some extent, but the actual sources are almost always much later and far more heterogeneous.

And don't even get me started on the propaganda-heavy use of the word "Science."

bluemason3 said:What you’re writing doesn't really align with the Vedas. It feels more like later Purana-based Hinduism, some Western mystifications, and superficial pattern recognition. The Vedas don't deal with yogas, Vimanas, or the mythical wars of Rama; they don't prioritize non-violence, vegetarianism, reincarnation, chakras, or any of that. Honestly, I’m not even sure where some of this is being pulled from. For instance, these myths are notoriously vague when it comes to numbers and specific details—quite the opposite of what people assume. Usually, when you find archaeological evidence for a myth, the actual history is incomparably younger and the culture is much more primitive than described. They just throw around big numbers and flowery descriptions.

The Vedas represent the oldest substrate of Indian religions, clearly codified and passed down quite reliably through an oral tradition. Everything that developed later claims a connection to them, even if there isn't much of one. Modern Hinduism isn't a Vedic religion; it's a cocktail of those older roots mixed with the aforementioned Purana folk myths (which are much fluffier and constantly shifting), Shramana traditions (like Buddhism and Jainism), and things like Samkhya, yoga, Tantra, tribal cults, shamanism, and even Islam.

Furthermore, when people talk about "Vedic Science," they’re usually referring to the Vedanga auxiliary disciplines developed specifically to interpret the Vedas. But even there, you see all sorts of mixing. For example, Jyotish was created by layering Greek astrology over a relatively limited base of ritual astronomy. It wasn't derived directly from the Vedas, despite how much certain nationalists fight historical reality to try and make the Vedas the foundation for everything.

Ayurveda works in a similar way, categorized under one of the Vedas because of its health aspects. The catch is that most of it is magical-ritualistic, whereas 99% of what it actually covers isn't even in the foundational Vedic texts. It has its own separate texts and traditions that are constantly in flux, regardless of the somewhat codified modern phase meant for standardized academic teaching (though it hasn't been nearly as successful as the way the Chinese leveled out their traditional medicine and various versions of meridian points and such). In the US, you might see variations depending on the region, the institution, or the individual practitioner...

It’s fundamentally the same thing as calling Moses a Christian. It's a cool idea, but it's based on the classic, logically flawed "appeal to antiquity" fallacy. Everyone does it to some extent, but the actual sources are almost always much later and far more heterogeneous.

And don't even get me started on the propaganda-heavy use of the word "Science."

Everything I've written falls under the umbrella of the Vedas. Essentially, the Vedas are comprised of all these elements combined. The Puranas are part of Classical literature, just like the Satra, Sutra, Bhagavad Gita, Ayurveda, and the Ramayana and Mahabharata—which I’ve quoted most frequently—all of which together make up the History.
The Vedas cover virtually every aspect of human existence and encompass all branches of science. Essentially, all scientific disciplines are contained within the Vedas.
When you look at archaeology and the evidence supporting certain Vedic stories, it’s pretty obvious that those cities are more recent. This is especially true if we’re talking about Krishna, who actually lived in relatively modern history. He was born just 5,112 years ago.

I agree when it comes to Hinduism and the Vedas. While many fundamental aspects of Hinduism are rooted in Vedic mythology and philosophy, it wouldn't be accurate to say that Hinduism is exclusively a product of the Vedas. This also goes to the point that people often mistakenly claim the Vedas originated on the Indian subcontinent; there is simply no evidence to prove they originated in India. There’s no doubt that many stories within the Vedas take place in India, but when it comes to the actual philosophy, I remain skeptical. The Vedas belong to the entire world.

Vedic science is rooted in Vedic philosophy and interpretation. I don't buy the idea that there's any Greek astronomical influence within the Vedas—honestly, I've never even heard that claim before. People try to say Jyotish is based on supposed Mesopotamian astronomy, but Yukio Ohashi debunked those theories and proved that Jyotish originates from ancient India. You also have Vedic mathematics, Ayurveda, and more.
Ayurveda is an integral part of the Vedas, and its very foundation lies in Vedic philosophy. You don't really need proof; if you actually understand what the Vedas are and what they teach, it becomes obvious that Ayurveda stems directly from them.

I'm not going to get into whether Chinese medicine is better than Ayurveda, because that's not really a debate you can have. Every medical system has its own specific methods. By the way, if you're thinking of acupuncture, you should know that Ayurveda has its own version performed with the hands. It also deals with meridians and energy.

You're clearly lacking some fundamental knowledge here.

The Vedas consist of

- Samhitas (the core, most ancient layer—with the Rigveda being the oldest, followed by two rearranged versions; the fourth is somewhat comparable to the Rigveda Samhita but significantly different and hasn't always been considered canonical)
- Brahmanas
- Aranyakas
- Upanishads (the youngest layer, sometimes written relatively recently, already showing different influences)

These texts represent the essence of Vedic and slightly later Brahmanical culture. It’s fundamentally different from modern Hinduism, which has almost entirely lost its original form (except within a few tiny Brahmanical communities). Only the youngest Upanishadic portion has had any serious impact on certain philosophical circles, and even then, primarily through later interpretations. If you agree that modern Hinduism isn't the same thing as the Vedic religion, then there’s no internal logic in grouping the texts it actually relies on (like the Puranas, Sutras, Agamas, Tantras, and other sources for these stories) into that original Vedic culture.

The way Christians and certain modern nationalists label everything as "Vedic" or "scientific" is just a propaganda tactic used to manufacture false authority. As I mentioned before, it’s similar to calling Moses a Christian. There is zero historical basis for it.

And even if you wanted to use that label, you couldn't apply the same criteria. It's another rhetorical trick: first, you label something else as "Vedic," and then, based on that semantic shift, you attribute the characteristics of Vedic literature to those third-party texts—even though they don't possess them at all. Their era of origin, methods of transmission, and primary sources are fundamentally different from the Vedas.

Of course, you don't really need proof when dealing with a world of stories, fantasies, and projections.😉

Knowledge is never enough, but that's beside the point. Let's not make this personal.

bluemason3 said:The Vedas consist of

- Samhitas (the core, most ancient layer—with the Rigveda being the oldest, followed by two rearranged versions; the fourth is somewhat comparable to the Rigveda Samhita but significantly different and hasn't always been considered canonical)
- Brahmanas
- Aranyakas
- Upanishads (the youngest layer, sometimes written relatively recently, already showing different influences)

These texts represent the essence of Vedic and slightly later Brahmanical culture. It’s fundamentally different from modern Hinduism, which has almost entirely lost its original form (except within a few tiny Brahmanical communities). Only the youngest Upanishadic portion has had any serious impact on certain philosophical circles, and even then, primarily through later interpretations. If you agree that modern Hinduism isn't the same thing as the Vedic religion, then there’s no internal logic in grouping the texts it actually relies on (like the Puranas, Sutras, Agamas, Tantras, and other sources for these stories) into that original Vedic culture.

The way Christians and certain modern nationalists label everything as "Vedic" or "scientific" is just a propaganda tactic used to manufacture false authority. As I mentioned before, it’s similar to calling Moses a Christian. There is zero historical basis for it.

And even if you wanted to use that label, you couldn't apply the same criteria. It's another rhetorical trick: first, you label something else as "Vedic," and then, based on that semantic shift, you attribute the characteristics of Vedic literature to those third-party texts—even though they don't possess them at all. Their era of origin, methods of transmission, and primary sources are fundamentally different from the Vedas.

Of course, you don't really need proof when dealing with a world of stories, fantasies, and projections.😉

Knowledge is never enough, but that's beside the point. Let's not make this personal.

Hmm, sorry, but that’s not quite a complete answer... The Vedas are divided into the Rigveda, Samaveda, Yajurveda, and Atharvaveda. What you listed are its sub-divisions. The Vedas I mentioned constitute one massive whole known collectively as the "Vedas." These smaller sections have their own Upanishads—for example, the Aitareya-Kaushitaki is an Upanishad of the Rigveda.

The Bhagavad Gita is also part of the Vedas, as are the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, and the Vedangas. These are the foundations of Hinduism, and it is precisely this portion that Hinduism took from the Vedas. I agree that these divisions form the essence because they are philosophies. The Vedas are grounded in philosophy and science, but parts of those sciences and philosophies include the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. Those books serve as examples. They were written, and those stories were retold, to provide lessons. Rama and Krishna are meant to be role models for people.

Regarding the followers of Rama and Krishna and your point about them claiming the Vedas for themselves, you have to consider that the Vedic period lasts until the middle of the 1st millennium BCE. Therefore, all knowledge and mythology from that era is automatically attributed to the Vedas. You and I can debate why that is. There is actually a program on NRZ where a guest named "Sati" explains everything in detail. It's a very complex and lengthy topic.

For me, the Ramayana and Mahabharata are fascinating stories. They are instructive, and when I read them, I truly feel like they actually happened long ago in human history. The Ramayana is the most powerful book I have ever read. Reading it can literally change you 180 degrees. I'm not particularly tied to Vedic science; I study philosophy more. The only part of science that interests me is cosmic cycles and the universe.

One are just different ways of dividing things—one horizontal, one vertical. I don't see any inherent conflict there. They don't necessarily form a single unit. The Atharvaveda isn't always considered canonical, and since both are essentially derivatives of the Rigveda, they aren't fundamentally different. Usually, specific Brahmin families specialize in just one.

Well, if we're calling them Vedas, why don't you be a pal and tell us which horizontal or vertical branch the Ramayana actually falls under? Is it part of the Atharvaveda, or is it an Aranyaka? 😁

If you compare the Bible to the Vedas, the Vedangas would be something like biblical history or grammar—basically auxiliary disciplines developed to help study the Vedas, handle rituals, or manage historical and technical details. They aren't part of the Vedas themselves, much like a modern book on biblical grammar or history isn't part of the biblical text. And it certainly isn't some pious literature on hagiotherapy, for instance.

None of this has much to do with the Vedas. Repeating a factually incorrect claim ten more times won't suddenly make it true.

No, you can't just dump everything from that era into the Vedas; that’s complete nonsense. During that period, there were plenty of groups that directly opposed the Vedas and Brahminical culture, like the Jains, Buddhists, and Ajivikas. There were also various tribal traditions and cults. Vedic culture was primarily concentrated on the Indo-Gangetic Plain; it hadn't spread across all of India yet, nor did it hold an absolute monopoly over its own territory.

Science is a less reliable source than a tabloid magazine. This topic isn't actually that complicated, unless people have their own pseudo-religious agendas and fake historical mysteries they feel the need to defend with nonsensical gymnastics for an uninformed audience.

Where exactly in the Vedas did you find those time cycles?

So, I figured I’d toss my two cents into the ring regarding this whole Vedas thing.

I’ll use the Krishna followers and the TM crowd as examples—they’re pretty well-known and they sit on totally different ends of the spectrum.

The TM folks basically claim you should just recite the Vedas (well, the specific parts they focus on) without actually trying to wrap your head around them. Their whole deal is that through recitation, you open up these internal channels to knowledge already inside you. From what I gather, their advanced courses involve chanting Vedic texts more like mantras than anything else.

On the other hand, the Krishna followers treat the Vedas—along with everything else outside the core four, like the Puranas and the Gita—almost like a textbook. For them, it’s stuff you’re supposed to take literally, no questions asked.

My personal take? If we assume all these sacred texts are actually reliable, they should be delivering knowledge to us. But if we stick strictly to literal interpretations, we just end up trapped in dogma and doctrine, which closes us off instead of opening us up.

I think people need to approach sacred texts intuitively. Or, if you ask a Christian, they might say "the ways of the Lord are mysterious."

The real issue—or let's call it a "problem"—is how much religious naivety is baked into things, especially in the Puranas. When I say naivety, I mean texts that are meant to make us feel relaxed, warm, and tolerant. If we interpret those kinds of stories literally, we're just asking for fanaticism.

I’d also add that the Western mindset is just built differently. It’s hard for an American to just switch off their logic and accept something blindly. Sure, we can't grasp God, Reality, or the Source with our intellect, but throwing logic out the window when dealing with the everyday stuff described in these books is just plain crazy.

Here’s an example of that naivety: if my car breaks down, I pray, and suddenly a mechanic shows up out of nowhere, I’ll accept that as an answer to my prayer. But there’s no point trying to analyze that on an intellectual level—you can't exactly write an equation where "prayer + X = mechanic arrives to fix the engine."

There was this one guy walking through town who suddenly remembered he left his bike out in the open. He panicked, thinking someone had already swiped it, and sprinted back to where he parked. When he saw the bike was still there, he went straight into a church to thank God. By the time he walked out of the church... the bike was gone.

bluemason3 said:One are just different ways of dividing things—one horizontal, one vertical. I don't see any inherent conflict there. They don't necessarily form a single unit. The Atharvaveda isn't always considered canonical, and since both are essentially derivatives of the Rigveda, they aren't fundamentally different. Usually, specific Brahmin families specialize in just one.

Well, if we're calling them Vedas, why don't you be a pal and tell us which horizontal or vertical branch the Ramayana actually falls under? Is it part of the Atharvaveda, or is it an Aranyaka? 😁

If you compare the Bible to the Vedas, the Vedangas would be something like biblical history or grammar—basically auxiliary disciplines developed to help study the Vedas, handle rituals, or manage historical and technical details. They aren't part of the Vedas themselves, much like a modern book on biblical grammar or history isn't part of the biblical text. And it certainly isn't some pious literature on hagiotherapy, for instance.

None of this has much to do with the Vedas. Repeating a factually incorrect claim ten more times won't suddenly make it true.

No, you can't just dump everything from that era into the Vedas; that’s complete nonsense. During that period, there were plenty of groups that directly opposed the Vedas and Brahminical culture, like the Jains, Buddhists, and Ajivikas. There were also various tribal traditions and cults. Vedic culture was primarily concentrated on the Indo-Gangetic Plain; it hadn't spread across all of India yet, nor did it hold an absolute monopoly over its own territory.

Science is a less reliable source than a tabloid magazine. This topic isn't actually that complicated, unless people have their own pseudo-religious agendas and fake historical mysteries they feel the need to defend with nonsensical gymnastics for an uninformed audience.

Where exactly in the Vedas did you find those time cycles?

There aren't any horizontal or vertical divisions here. Everything is laid out clearly. The Vedas are divided into the Rigveda, Samaveda, Yajurveda, and Atharvaveda. All of those are considered part of the Vedas; what you listed are just specific subcategories. This provides all the details right here. The Vedas represent the foundational bedrock of Hindu philosophy and spiritual practice. These ancient texts serve as the primary source for understanding the complex layers of Hinduism, offering a direct window into the religious landscape of the Vedic period. They aren't just books; they are the essential framework that shaped an entire civilization's approach to the divine and the universe.

The Ramayana belongs to both History and the Puranas. As for the Vedangas, I agree.
I’m not claiming that everything happening on the Indian subcontinent during the Vedic period automatically belongs to the Vedas. What I am saying is that certain elements—like specific parts of Vedic mythology connected to Hinduism—likely ended up in the Vedas because they originated during that era. We have to consider that Classical literature covers a massive area, stretching beyond just India to include Pakistan, parts of Iran and Afghanistan, as well as Nepal and China. In fact, we don't even know for sure which specific region the oldest portions of the Vedas belong to. One of the theorists—I can't recall if it was Zecharia Sitchin or Erich von Däniken—suggested that parts of the Vedas actually originate from the lost civilization of Atlantis. The reason I say this is that the Vedas frequently mention nations and regions that aren't anywhere near the Indian subcontinent. They describe practices and cultures that don't align with Indian culture. At times, the descriptions almost feel like they are referring to Native Americans. Even some of the rituals bear a striking resemblance to American traditions.

The NRZ show itself isn't what matters; it's the guest they bring on. Based on how you're writing, you seem to think you know more than the people who have spent their entire lives studying the Vedas.

Maybe I’m the one at fault here. I’m the one who started this thread about the Vedas, and let’s face it—they are incredibly dense and complex. They have so many different divisions that it’s easy to get lost. It’s like an infinitely branching tree. You can't really interpret the Vedas universally because the Brahmans argue that the person interpreting them matters more than the actual translation. But honestly, that’s beside the point. In my intro, I just wanted to ask what you all think about them. If I recall correctly, Tyler Jackson6, you mentioned that the Vedas are basically just bedtime stories for children.

The Puranas make frequent mention of these cycles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_units_of_time

When you look at these measurements, the units used, and the underlying philosophy behind these cycles, the logic feels almost indestructible. I’m genuinely impressed by the mathematics and the precision they used for these calculations. Everything is deeply grounded, so it isn't surprising that scientists have struggled to find any flaws in the Vedas.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid...ic+period+time

Aha. What you listed are classifications, but what I was referring to are just different ways of dividing them. 😁

The division into four Vedas is horizontal; it refers to four distinct canons. Keep in mind that three of those are just variations of the same core text. The division I mentioned is vertical—it deals with the various content layers and chronological stages of the Vedas (much like how you have the Old Testament, New Testament, and the Epistles). They are all valid ways to categorize them, but when we talk about the types of writings that fall under the Vedas, the vertical approach makes more sense. Regardless of which of the four canons you look at, the vertical categories—the Samitas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, and Upanishads—remain the same.

Sure, an epic is folk tradition. It has nothing to do with the Vedas. It isn't found in any of those categories, it doesn't use the same archaic language, it isn't passed down through strict mnemonic tradition, and there are countless local versions. Stories change over time; narrators add their own flair. It’s a completely different story, literally and metaphorically.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's essentially what you just said. What you're saying now doesn't make much sense to me at all. 😁

We know the deal. Zecharia Sitchin and Erich von Däniken are just pseudo-scientific cranks selling snake oil to the gullible. From a linguistic and topographical standpoint, it’s fairly clear what they’re describing. It's generally assumed where these groups originated and which parts—like the oldest hymns of the Rigveda—were likely composed before they arrived in India, evolving further after their arrival. The rituals are typical of nomadic civilizations; there’s nothing mystical about it. If you're constantly on the move with livestock and that livestock is your primary asset, it’s only natural that sacred sites and rituals are temporary rather than temple-based, and that animal sacrifice sits at the center. Once a society settles down, you naturally see the development of temple settlements and agrarian mythology, much like what's visible in later Hinduism.
There isn't some grand mystery or hidden truth here.

Most guests on those shows are idiots, though there are exceptions. For instance, Jezic has been on. While it gets on my nerves more and more, I'll always admit he knows far more about the Vedas (and everything else) than I ever will. But Däniken and Sitchin don't just know less; they're flat-out wrong. They ramble on and spread misinformation. Now, I can't speak for the person you mentioned, so I won't guarantee anything, but based on statistical probability and the theories you're pushing, it's more logical to assume they fall into that pseudo-scientific category. Besides, the audience profile and the show itself say enough. The comments on a world-renowned Indologist or a Sanskrit expert were basically "this guy is a boring professor," while people were swooning over total fabulists and charlatans with zero credentials.
As for my life experience—since I went to my first meditation course in elementary school (including living in Indian ashrams, finishing yoga therapy, working in Indian clinics alongside Ayurvedic and Western doctors, and completing a Buddhist equivalent of theology... none of which matter, since this conversation keeps getting derailed by constant attempts to personalize things—which is pointless because you never know who you're talking to. There are people on this forum with high-level academic credentials in various fields, yet you've already resorted to calling trained professionals unqualified because they don't share your specific Wikipedia-level grasp of geology )—you're welcome to claim I've spent my whole life studying this if we're using your flawed criteria for what counts as "Vedic." Personally, I wouldn't consider someone a serious practitioner unless they're fluent in archaic Vedic Sanskrit or hold a PhD in Indology. The rest of us are just amateurs rambling, so there's really no point in posturing.

But in the end, none of that matters for the discussion. The truth of a claim doesn't depend on how many years you've spent studying it or what formal titles you hold. Plenty of people spend their entire lives immersed in religion or ideology and spend that whole time talking nonsense from a historical or linguistic perspective. Truth isn't proven by appealing to authority, so it's irrelevant. It is, however, interesting to note that this "appeal to authority" argument is most often used by people lacking actual qualifications rather than those with an abundance of them. Let's just leave Sitchin and Jezic out of it.

If you’re claiming the Puranas are Vedic, but you also insist there are only four Vedas, then go ahead—show me where they actually appear in them.
If you say these time cycles are Vedic, find them in the Vedas. If you try to prove it by pointing to the Puranas, we’re right back to square one: proving those Puranas exist within the Vedas.

This is just a circular argument designed to dodge specific questions. You’re essentially just contradicting certain claims while constantly tripping over your own definitions of what is and isn't Vedic.

They aren't actually that complicated.
These aren't bedtime stories for kids; they are what they are. The problem is that the vast majority of what you described in your intro and attributed to the Vedas has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Yes, they are in the Puranas. My question was where they show up in the Vedas.

It's a fairy tale, no different from Christian creationism claiming the Earth is only 5,000 years old. It's not hard to debunk using basic physics, geology, paleontology, or anything else that isn't a PDF alternative.

In Sanskrit, Veda translates to knowledge. Essentially, based on how the Vedas are said to have originated, Veda would mean direct insight—that which is heard as 'shruti.'
That’s what true Veda would be. The Rishis, who were in a state of Brahman consciousness, would hear the Vedas vibrating within their own awareness, like consciousness 'murmuring' to itself... and not everyone experiences Brahman consciousness, just certain individuals. That's how it's described. Can we actually see this? Only if we become Rishis ourselves and hear the Veda murmuring inside us. Until then, we just have to take it on faith, like anything else.

There are all sorts of spiritual teachers out there. Some claim the world is unknowable, while others insist everything can be understood—that we can find all the answers regarding the world, God, and Creation.
I'd group those latter people under what we call Veda. Veda would be, in short, true knowledge of everything that exists. This is the level described as 'Ritam Bhara Pragya,' a state that knows only Truth. Throughout many cultures, there have been people who reached this level and developed various concepts based on their own personal insights and realizations.

So, for me, Veda is strictly what is rooted in our own direct insight and realization. Anything someone else has said, realized, or written down can only serve as inspiration or a guide toward the Truth.

Talk about unfair.
All that wisdom was handed out maybe 2,000 to 5,000 years ago and that's basically it.
Even God seems to have stopped checking in with the apostles.😢

bluemason3 said:Aha. What you listed are classifications, but what I was referring to are just different ways of dividing them. 😁

The division into four Vedas is horizontal; it refers to four distinct canons. Keep in mind that three of those are just variations of the same core text. The division I mentioned is vertical—it deals with the various content layers and chronological stages of the Vedas (much like how you have the Old Testament, New Testament, and the Epistles). They are all valid ways to categorize them, but when we talk about the types of writings that fall under the Vedas, the vertical approach makes more sense. Regardless of which of the four canons you look at, the vertical categories—the Samitas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, and Upanishads—remain the same.

Sure, an epic is folk tradition. It has nothing to do with the Vedas. It isn't found in any of those categories, it doesn't use the same archaic language, it isn't passed down through strict mnemonic tradition, and there are countless local versions. Stories change over time; narrators add their own flair. It’s a completely different story, literally and metaphorically.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's essentially what you just said. What you're saying now doesn't make much sense to me at all. 😁

We know the deal. Zecharia Sitchin and Erich von Däniken are just pseudo-scientific cranks selling snake oil to the gullible. From a linguistic and topographical standpoint, it’s fairly clear what they’re describing. It's generally assumed where these groups originated and which parts—like the oldest hymns of the Rigveda—were likely composed before they arrived in India, evolving further after their arrival. The rituals are typical of nomadic civilizations; there’s nothing mystical about it. If you're constantly on the move with livestock and that livestock is your primary asset, it’s only natural that sacred sites and rituals are temporary rather than temple-based, and that animal sacrifice sits at the center. Once a society settles down, you naturally see the development of temple settlements and agrarian mythology, much like what's visible in later Hinduism.
There isn't some grand mystery or hidden truth here.

Most guests on those shows are idiots, though there are exceptions. For instance, Jezic has been on. While it gets on my nerves more and more, I'll always admit he knows far more about the Vedas (and everything else) than I ever will. But Däniken and Sitchin don't just know less; they're flat-out wrong. They ramble on and spread misinformation. Now, I can't speak for the person you mentioned, so I won't guarantee anything, but based on statistical probability and the theories you're pushing, it's more logical to assume they fall into that pseudo-scientific category. Besides, the audience profile and the show itself say enough. The comments on a world-renowned Indologist or a Sanskrit expert were basically "this guy is a boring professor," while people were swooning over total fabulists and charlatans with zero credentials.
As for my life experience—since I went to my first meditation course in elementary school (including living in Indian ashrams, finishing yoga therapy, working in Indian clinics alongside Ayurvedic and Western doctors, and completing a Buddhist equivalent of theology... none of which matter, since this conversation keeps getting derailed by constant attempts to personalize things—which is pointless because you never know who you're talking to. There are people on this forum with high-level academic credentials in various fields, yet you've already resorted to calling trained professionals unqualified because they don't share your specific Wikipedia-level grasp of geology )—you're welcome to claim I've spent my whole life studying this if we're using your flawed criteria for what counts as "Vedic." Personally, I wouldn't consider someone a serious practitioner unless they're fluent in archaic Vedic Sanskrit or hold a PhD in Indology. The rest of us are just amateurs rambling, so there's really no point in posturing.

But in the end, none of that matters for the discussion. The truth of a claim doesn't depend on how many years you've spent studying it or what formal titles you hold. Plenty of people spend their entire lives immersed in religion or ideology and spend that whole time talking nonsense from a historical or linguistic perspective. Truth isn't proven by appealing to authority, so it's irrelevant. It is, however, interesting to note that this "appeal to authority" argument is most often used by people lacking actual qualifications rather than those with an abundance of them. Let's just leave Sitchin and Jezic out of it.

If you’re claiming the Puranas are Vedic, but you also insist there are only four Vedas, then go ahead—show me where they actually appear in them.
If you say these time cycles are Vedic, find them in the Vedas. If you try to prove it by pointing to the Puranas, we’re right back to square one: proving those Puranas exist within the Vedas.

This is just a circular argument designed to dodge specific questions. You’re essentially just contradicting certain claims while constantly tripping over your own definitions of what is and isn't Vedic.

They aren't actually that complicated.
These aren't bedtime stories for kids; they are what they are. The problem is that the vast majority of what you described in your intro and attributed to the Vedas has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Yes, they are in the Puranas. My question was where they show up in the Vedas.

It's a fairy tale, no different from Christian creationism claiming the Earth is only 5,000 years old. It's not hard to debunk using basic physics, geology, paleontology, or anything else that isn't a PDF alternative.

Don't take this personally, but I don't see any other way to handle this. We keep circling the same drain, and you just keep repeating the same mistakes. Since you clearly don't find my own writing credible, I have no choice left but to just copy directly from Wikipedia.
The foundation consists of four Vedas: the Rigveda, the Yajurveda, the Samaveda, and the Atharvaveda. Each of these is broken down into four primary categories: the Samhitas (which contain mantras and blessings), the Aranyakas (covering rituals, ceremonies, and symbolic sacrifices), the Brahmanas (serving as commentaries on those rites), and the Upanishads (focusing on meditation, philosophy, and spiritual insight). Some scholars also include a fifth category known as the Upasanas, which focuses on worship.

Different branches of Indian philosophy hold varying views regarding the Vedas. Those philosophical schools that recognize the Vedas as their primary scriptural authority are categorized as "orthodox." On the other hand, other spiritual traditions—like Buddhism, Jainism, and the various śramaṇa movements—that don't view the Vedas as authoritative are labeled "heterodox." Even with these fundamental disagreements, much like the texts found in the śramaṇa traditions, the different layers within the Vedas explore many of the same core ideas and concepts.

The Vedas are classified as śruti—meaning "that which is heard"—which sets them apart from other religious texts known as smṛti, or "that which is remembered." For traditional scholars of Hinduism, the Vedas are viewed as divine revelations perceived by ancient sages through deep meditation, and they have been meticulously preserved since antiquity. According to the Mahabharata, the creation of the Vedas is attributed to Brahma. The Vedic hymns themselves claim they were masterfully crafted by the Rishis through inspired creativity, much like a skilled carpenter building a chariot.

The Vedas stand as some of the most ancient sacred texts in existence. The Samhitas originated roughly between 1700 and 1100 BC, while the surrounding texts and the final editing of the Samhitas took place around 1000 to 500 BC. This defines the Vedic period, stretching from the mid-2nd millennium BC to the mid-1st millennium BC—essentially covering the transition from the Late Bronze Age to the Iron Age. The Vedic period truly hits its stride following the composition of the mantra texts. During this time, various schools established themselves across Northern India, adding Brahmana commentaries to explain the meanings within the mantra Samhitas. This era eventually concludes during the time of Buddha and Panini, coinciding with the emergence of the Mahajanapadas (which archaeologists identify by the presence of Northern Black Polished Ware). Michael Witzel suggests a timeline ranging from approximately 1500 BC to 500–400 BC. He highlights the Mitanni material from the Near East in the 14th century BC as the only epigraphic evidence contemporary to the Rigveda. Furthermore, he uses 150 BC (the era of Patañjali) as the point before which all Vedic Sanskrit literature must have existed, and identifies 1200 BC—the start of the early Iron Age—as the earliest possible date for the Atharvaveda.

Pay close attention to this part -
The Purana is a massive genre of encyclopedic Indian literature covering everything from ancient myths and legends to various types of traditional lore.[148] Many of these texts are actually named after major deities like Vishnu, Shiva, and Devi.[149][150] In total, there are 18 Maha Puranas (Great Puranas) and 18 Upa Puranas (Minor Puranas), spanning more than 400,000 verses.

The Purana has had a profound influence on Indian culture.[151][152] These works are considered Vaidika, meaning they align with the Vedas.[153] Among them, the Bhagavata Purana stands out as one of the most celebrated and widely read texts in the genre, characterized by its non-dualistic perspective.[154][155] This literature became deeply intertwined with the Bhakti movement in India, and both Dvaita and Advaita scholars have written extensively on the core Vedanta themes found within the Maha Puranas.

The Vedas represent a philosophy that requires a lifetime of study. You can't master them in five years, or even twenty. Brahmans spend the majority of their lives studying for the sake of Brahman itself.

Betty Chavez2 said:In Sanskrit, Veda translates to knowledge. Essentially, based on how the Vedas are said to have originated, Veda would mean direct insight—that which is heard as 'shruti.'
That’s what true Veda would be. The Rishis, who were in a state of Brahman consciousness, would hear the Vedas vibrating within their own awareness, like consciousness 'murmuring' to itself... and not everyone experiences Brahman consciousness, just certain individuals. That's how it's described. Can we actually see this? Only if we become Rishis ourselves and hear the Veda murmuring inside us. Until then, we just have to take it on faith, like anything else.

There are all sorts of spiritual teachers out there. Some claim the world is unknowable, while others insist everything can be understood—that we can find all the answers regarding the world, God, and Creation.
I'd group those latter people under what we call Veda. Veda would be, in short, true knowledge of everything that exists. This is the level described as 'Ritam Bhara Pragya,' a state that knows only Truth. Throughout many cultures, there have been people who reached this level and developed various concepts based on their own personal insights and realizations.

So, for me, Veda is strictly what is rooted in our own direct insight and realization. Anything someone else has said, realized, or written down can only serve as inspiration or a guide toward the Truth.

The Vedas mention exactly that. They describe the path of our own personal experience and realization. There is something in the Vedas for everyone; whatever interests you, you can find it there. They aren't a "holy book" in the traditional sense, but rather serve as a guide and a body of knowledge for those walking that path, while still leaving room for the individual to decide which way they want to head toward realization. An archaeologist can find archaeology within the Vedas and discover the answers they seek; a mathematician can study Vedic mathematics; an astronomer can dive into Vedic astronomy; and someone interested strictly in religion can study the Rigveda, Samaveda, and so on. There is something for everyone.

We could certainly debate how reliable the Puranas are, but it’s pointless because none of us can prove anything. Even modern Science hasn't managed to debunk Vedic mythology, so why should we think we can? Some people don't seem to grasp this, so they dare to call the Brahman liars, yet they haven't even read a single work from the Vedas.

loneridge88 said:Don't take this personally, but I don't see any other way to handle this. We keep circling the same drain, and you just keep repeating the same mistakes. Since you clearly don't find my own writing credible, I have no choice left but to just copy directly from Wikipedia.
The foundation consists of four Vedas: the Rigveda, the Yajurveda, the Samaveda, and the Atharvaveda. Each of these is broken down into four primary categories: the Samhitas (which contain mantras and blessings), the Aranyakas (covering rituals, ceremonies, and symbolic sacrifices), the Brahmanas (serving as commentaries on those rites), and the Upanishads (focusing on meditation, philosophy, and spiritual insight). Some scholars also include a fifth category known as the Upasanas, which focuses on worship.

Different branches of Indian philosophy hold varying views regarding the Vedas. Those philosophical schools that recognize the Vedas as their primary scriptural authority are categorized as "orthodox." On the other hand, other spiritual traditions—like Buddhism, Jainism, and the various śramaṇa movements—that don't view the Vedas as authoritative are labeled "heterodox." Even with these fundamental disagreements, much like the texts found in the śramaṇa traditions, the different layers within the Vedas explore many of the same core ideas and concepts.

The Vedas are classified as śruti—meaning "that which is heard"—which sets them apart from other religious texts known as smṛti, or "that which is remembered." For traditional scholars of Hinduism, the Vedas are viewed as divine revelations perceived by ancient sages through deep meditation, and they have been meticulously preserved since antiquity. According to the Mahabharata, the creation of the Vedas is attributed to Brahma. The Vedic hymns themselves claim they were masterfully crafted by the Rishis through inspired creativity, much like a skilled carpenter building a chariot.

The Vedas stand as some of the most ancient sacred texts in existence. The Samhitas originated roughly between 1700 and 1100 BC, while the surrounding texts and the final editing of the Samhitas took place around 1000 to 500 BC. This defines the Vedic period, stretching from the mid-2nd millennium BC to the mid-1st millennium BC—essentially covering the transition from the Late Bronze Age to the Iron Age. The Vedic period truly hits its stride following the composition of the mantra texts. During this time, various schools established themselves across Northern India, adding Brahmana commentaries to explain the meanings within the mantra Samhitas. This era eventually concludes during the time of Buddha and Panini, coinciding with the emergence of the Mahajanapadas (which archaeologists identify by the presence of Northern Black Polished Ware). Michael Witzel suggests a timeline ranging from approximately 1500 BC to 500–400 BC. He highlights the Mitanni material from the Near East in the 14th century BC as the only epigraphic evidence contemporary to the Rigveda. Furthermore, he uses 150 BC (the era of Patañjali) as the point before which all Vedic Sanskrit literature must have existed, and identifies 1200 BC—the start of the early Iron Age—as the earliest possible date for the Atharvaveda.

Pay close attention to this part -
The Purana is a massive genre of encyclopedic Indian literature covering everything from ancient myths and legends to various types of traditional lore.[148] Many of these texts are actually named after major deities like Vishnu, Shiva, and Devi.[149][150] In total, there are 18 Maha Puranas (Great Puranas) and 18 Upa Puranas (Minor Puranas), spanning more than 400,000 verses.

The Purana has had a profound influence on Indian culture.[151][152] These works are considered Vaidika, meaning they align with the Vedas.[153] Among them, the Bhagavata Purana stands out as one of the most celebrated and widely read texts in the genre, characterized by its non-dualistic perspective.[154][155] This literature became deeply intertwined with the Bhakti movement in India, and both Dvaita and Advaita scholars have written extensively on the core Vedanta themes found within the Maha Puranas.

The Vedas represent a philosophy that requires a lifetime of study. You can't master them in five years, or even twenty. Brahmans spend the majority of their lives studying for the sake of Brahman itself.

Luckily, you have Wikipedia at your fingertips, so you'll move a bit faster.

loneridge88 said:I might have miscategorized this under Spirituality, but since Vedic Science is fundamentally rooted in spirituality, I decided it belonged here after all.

I’m interested in hearing your perspectives on Vedic Science. Specifically, what do the Vedas mean to you, and how much do you actually trust the science behind them? If this topic has already been covered on the forum, please excuse my intrusion.

I’m not going to bore everyone with the basics of the Vedas right now. Most of you likely already know a thing or two, and if you don't, a quick Wikipedia search will get you up to speed. I want to skip the superlatives—all that talk about how they are the "oldest," "most comprehensive," or "longest" texts. That isn't my focus. I am interested in the actual philosophy and the science.

Western science views time as a linear progression, but the Vedas teach something entirely different. They present time as cyclical, broken down into four distinct stages that repeat eternally. In the Vedas, there is no definitive beginning or end; everything simply exists in an infinite loop.

Western evolutionary theory pushes an idiotic thesis: that consciousness somehow emerged from matter. I don't buy it. The Vedas propose the exact opposite—a process of devolution. In this view, matter actually developed out of consciousness. We didn't evolve upward; we descended from a state of pure consciousness.

The Vedas are fascinating because their myths and stories are frequently backed by physical evidence. Take the Ram Bridge mentioned in the Ramayana, for example. Satellite imagery recently revealed its existence between India and Sri Lanka. Then there are the numerous cities of Krishna described in the Mahabharata; many of these locations have been pinpointed, including underwater cities found off the coast of Gujarat that feature unmistakable symbols of Krishna. Even the Saraswati river, long dismissed as mere myth despite being precisely located in the Vedas, was only recently proven to exist through the discovery of a dried-up riverbed. It would be easy to dismiss these as legends if they weren't all documented in accounts spanning hundreds of thousands—and in some cases, millions—of years.

I mention these stories to illustrate the philosophy of cyclical time. Most myths within the Vedas take place in eras where humanity supposedly didn't even exist yet. When it comes to numbers, the Vedas are incredibly precise and literal.

As I’ve mentioned before, the Vedas describe time as being divided into four distinct cycles. According to these cycles, our civilization follows a predictable trajectory: we emerge from the Stone Age, climb toward a peak of highly advanced development, and eventually reach a point of such extreme saturation that it triggers a catastrophe. That collapse inevitably resets everything back to the Stone Age. Based on the Vedas, this isn't a one-time occurrence; it's a perpetual loop. We are simply one more civilization in a long line of societies that crawled out of the Stone Age and will surely fall right back into it.

The Vedas suggest that the Stone Age was actually triggered by a nuclear war between two ancient empires. One side is undoubtedly the empire of Ram, but the identity of the second empire remains a mystery—some theorists point toward the lost civilization of Lemuria. The evidence at Mohenjo-daro is hard to ignore. In the very heart of the city, researchers found radiation levels dozens of times higher than normal. The brick walls were literally melted, and traces of vitrified sand were discovered on-site. Most chillingly, they found dozens of human skeletons positioned as if they were caught in mid-flight, trying to escape. The physical evidence is overwhelming. According to the Vedas, an atomic bomb detonated just southwest of the Saraswati River, which aligns perfectly with the location of Mohenjo-daro. It’s a fascinating connection.

The Vedas frequently describe Vimana flying machines used for travel and even combat. These texts provide such detailed blueprints for construction that many researchers have studied them, concluding that building such craft is entirely feasible. The primary hurdle remains the propulsion system, which relies on pure mercury housed within the main engine. According to the Vedas, mercury is the only element capable of absorbing thought energy, allowing pilots to maneuver these crafts simply by directing their intentions toward the mercury. Some, like Swami Dev Murthi, claim the Vedas even contain instructions for constructing atomic bombs, though I haven't personally come across that specific data yet.

One of the core teachings of the Vedas is "Ahimsa," which translates to non-violence. The Vedas strictly prohibit eating meat or eggs, and they forbid participating in any form of violence against any living creature on this planet. Here is why that is the case.

Most of you have seen The Matrix, but few realize its foundations are rooted in the Vedas. The filmmakers are major followers of Vedic teachings. Essentially, the Vedas teach that we are all interconnected, forming a collective consciousness that serves as the basis for the material world—and vice versa. If we harm any living being, we are effectively harming a part of ourselves because of this connection. Everything physical is actually a vibration of consciousness. We are pure consciousness acting as observers; by observing matter, we grant it frequency, which allows it to exist. It’s similar to the holographic principle or zero-point field theories. All these concepts find their origins in the Vedas.

According to the Vedas, we are subject to the laws of karma. There are karmic laws embedded within our subconscious. Think of it as a form of memory that records every good and bad deed. These actions are weighed in our subconscious and remain there until the moment of death. When we die, our subconscious merges with universal consciousness, and in that state, we become acutely aware of everything we’ve done. Based on those deeds, it is determined whether we move on to the astral plane or are sent back to this world to work through our subconscious. The goal some call self-realization or enlightenment is to become aware of the subconscious. Within it lie "codes"—much like the "matrix" in the movie—that aren't visible at our current level of consciousness. We designed these codes ourselves to serve as a compass in this life.

The Vedas suggest that when a person dies, their consciousness, along with their soul (energy), lingers in an intermediate realm until we grasp what is happening and the subconscious completes its process. Once that happens, our consciousness enters a fetus, entering through the fontanelle. The fontanelle is the soft spot on a baby's skull that stays open for several months. This spot is significant because it sits directly above the pineal gland. The pineal gland is the center of consciousness, often referred to as the third eye. It's roughly the size of a pea, and the more developed it is, the more expansive the consciousness becomes. Because of this, the Vedas include a technique many of you may have heard of called "Sun Gazing," or solar yoga, which aims to increase the pineal gland by absorbing photonic energy. This explains why the sun is the most important deity in the Vedas. The sun represents life and everything in existence.

What I find fascinating about the Vedas is that they don't mention evolution. They clearly describe species that didn't evolve from something else, but have always existed. They speak of life adapting to Earth in ways that can change a species, but they don't subscribe to the theory of species evolving. They even mention dinosaurs, which is quite interesting.

I could write for hours about the Vedas. I began studying them in depth a few years ago because I find everything I need within them. The Vedas hold the answers to all questions, though they can be difficult to grasp. The texts themselves state that the point isn't just understanding a translation, but achieving individual realization. Regarding the Vedas, Brahmins represent pure consciousness, as all knowledge originates from there. The Vedas are described as the matrix of the collective consciousness residing within all of us; we simply need to learn how to read the codes.

An interesting point 😁

But here’s what really trips me up. If they were such hardcore advocates for non-violence, how on earth did they end up wiping each other out with nuclear weapons?

The Purana myths—unlike the Vedas, for that matter—are a pretty messy collection of folk traditions. They weren't passed down with the strict precision you see in the Vedas; instead, they evolved through storytelling, embellishments, mixing elements together, and the classic "telephone game" effect.

Because of that, they often contradict themselves. There isn't one single, unified doctrine; it’s more like a massive pile of various stories, ideas, thoughts, and myths. You get all sorts of local versions with their own quirks, alongside modern academic versions that have been somewhat cleaned up.

The concept of nonviolence actually stems primarily from the Shramana circles, likely influenced by Jainism, Buddhism, and other non-Vedic Shramana ideals. That specific ideal isn't really present in early Vedic literature; you can actually track its gradual development. For instance, even in the Laws of Manu, you see a certain selectivity, yet animal sacrifice and eating that meat are still recommended. Some Vedic rituals even involve sacrificing cattle. Later on, those practices became unacceptable to the mainstream and were replaced by offerings of plants, though animal sacrifices lingered in less orthodox Tantric-Shaktist cults until quite recently. It wasn't until the late neo-Hindu reforms of the colonial and post-colonial eras that there was strong pressure for those groups to conform, which is why it’s mostly disappeared at all levels today.

As for the nuclear explosion theories, that’s a questionable way to interpret descriptions of traditional divine weapons in mythological battles, which lean closer to folk legends. It’s hard to tell exactly what those descriptions are portraying—how much is history and how much is pure imagination—just like with any mythology. Granted, some things in certain myths can be taken more seriously thanks to physical archaeological finds, but that’s a rabbit hole far too deep for this.

A good example of an idea evolving over time and space is the Vaishnava cult. It likely has roots in pre-Vedic local cults and myths (with the worship of Govinda being one of the oldest), which were later "Vedicized." The entire Vedic culture itself was shaped by the Shramanas and the ideal of nonviolence, particularly within the Brahmin caste. When medieval reforms integrated these cults into mainstream Hinduism by providing them with credible theological explanations—essentially building a theoretical bridge to the Vedas and Upanishads—they also adopted the Brahminical moral system. This was spread to the entire following, regardless of caste, elevating the cult in terms of social orthodoxy, acceptance, and respect.

So, you end up with this situation where older myths about Vaishnava demigods—who fight wars, hunt, and have plenty of wives (the archetypal, older model of a god-king)—are being linked to the ideals of nonviolence, vegetarianism, and asceticism (the archetypal, newer model of a saint-like god embodied by sages and the (semi)avatars of medieval Hinduism). You could probably draw some parallels here to the differences between Old Testament and New Testament/late Judaic religious styles.

I’m honestly such a fan of Vedanta. 🎉

This is a fascinating field of study. Throughout my career, I have spent a significant amount of time professionally studying the Vedas, and I have frequently observed how deeply spirituality and science are intertwined within the Vedas.