Where should Jews live?

Hey everyone, just wondering where exactly Jews are supposed to live?

A lot of people seem to think they don't have a right to live in Europe...

And some folks think they should just be kicked out of the Middle East altogether...

But like, where else would they go?

Huh, I can already picture exactly how the MODs over here would jump in to lecture you, but I think I'll pass on that little drama 😂

If you really take a step back and look at the situation for what it is, what do you actually have left to show for it?

But there is absolutely no way I could be the one to give you an answer to that question...

The Jewish people have returned to their ancestral homes, and no matter what anyone wants or dreams, they aren't going anywhere—they're staying put until the end of time itself. As for those few antisemites running their mouths and dreaming up nonsense? Honestly, you can just tell them to go jump in a lake.

Robin Hernandez4 said:The Jewish people have returned to their ancestral homes, and no matter what anyone wants or dreams, they aren't going anywhere—they're staying put until the end of time itself. As for those few antisemites running their mouths and dreaming up nonsense? Honestly, you can just tell them to go jump in a lake.

You know, when you look at all those intense arguments regarding the promised land, it really makes you wonder where the logic ends. If we followed that exact same line of reasoning, you could argue that Albania should be claiming California, or that the US should just take over Southern Poland—where does it actually stop? It’s a slippery slope. Honestly, though, the very existence of Israel feels like such a heavy injustice.😢Well, at least she’s safe where she is now. If we take a little step back into history, you see that the Zionist movement really started gaining momentum during the 20th century under British protection, which led to an increasing number of people settling in Palestine. The absolute turning point, though, was obviously WW2 and the Holocaust. Now, don't get me wrong—I condemn those atrocities completely—but it seems like those walls were used for propaganda purposes to push the creation of a Jewish state, and then, strangely enough, those same Nazi tactics were turned against the Arabs. The big question everyone asks today is where Israel actually belongs, and if you ask me, my answer is Europe. You see, after WW2, Germany had huge chunks of territory taken away from them in the East, which today...
It’s such a strange bit of history when you really sit down and think about it. You have this situation where those lands rightfully belonged to Poland, yet at the exact same time, Poland was having its eastern territories snatched away and handed over to the USSR. If things had been handled differently, they should have just left the Polish borders alone entirely. Instead, they took part of that territory—land that had been seized by Germany—and decided to establish Israel there. It’s wild because, even back then, the ones actually carrying out the killings were the Germans, not the Jews.

Honestly, Jews should just stick to the territory they were handed by the international community because of what happened during WW2. They really need to drop this whole "chosen people" act—it’s not happening—and stop acting like they have a PhD in everything while lecturing the rest of us. Their own laws look more like something out of a Nazi playbook than a functional democracy, yet they spend all their time talking trash about America. Both Americans and the Jewish people could have actually gotten along; we share such similar histories—constantly under fire, constantly doubted, and eventually fighting tooth and nail for independence. But honestly, it’s their own radicalism that turned them into such a polarizing force. Since they already leveraged the tragedies of WW2 to get what they wanted, they should either stay put in that specific area and give back everything they've seized, or just clear out entirely. That land has been Palestinian for centuries. It would be like some religious group claiming Washington, D.C. and the Mississippi Delta are their "promised lands," suddenly swooping in, kicking Americans out, conquering places like Chicago or Los Angeles, and then relentlessly shelling everything else. To me, that's just straight-up insane.

Inside Israel's borders before the 1967 invasion. The Jews know that damn well.

Matthew Harris2 said:Inside Israel's borders before the 1967 invasion. The Jews know that damn well.

It’d be great if the Arabs actually agreed to those borders too, but so far it’s just been a handful of people—Egyptians, the PLO, and even then they barely cooperate at all...

First off, we really need to clear the air on who or what Jews actually are. Are we talking about an ethnic group, a religious community, or something else entirely?
As an ethnic group, they belong to the Semitic lineage, but religiously they are Jews, and honestly, Zionists have gone out of their way to essentially become Jews themselves.

So, they’ve lived all over the place, but European politics—specifically in Germany, though plenty of others aren't far behind—got fed up with the greed, the manipulation, and the other schemes pulled by a certain group (who look like infants compared to Italian mobsters). Consequently, with some pretty seamless cooperation from Zionist circles, those powers made sure to minimize their influence in Europe, at least temporarily, by securing them a state in the Middle East.

And get this: where are they supposed to live? It’s just this endless, exhausting loop of playing the victim. Seriously, how much longer can this go on?
Who even claims that Jews don't have the right to live in Europe? And more importantly, where is that actually happening? People live in Europe with a much higher standard of living than most elsewhere; they know exactly where the leverage is—law, medicine, and even things like diamond dealing—so they gravitate toward those fields while constantly pushing this narrative of being perpetually threatened, which is basically pure fiction.
As for the Middle East, for the hundredth time, it’s blindingly obvious what they’ve done to the people who actually lived there, the ways they’ve forced them out, and how they segregate both people and territory.
Setting aside Islamic fundamentalism and the global power plays mostly driven by oil, all of this is still very recent and extremely well-documented, so eventually, it’s going to have to be looked at from a different perspective.
All this talk against the existence of Israel and the boogeyman Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is just part of the propaganda machine. Look, I don't care if there were a hundred Israels, basic human rights still have to be respected, and this Israel violates them constantly. The level of segregation and torture inflicted on non-Jews (the indigenous population of that area for hundreds of years—hey, we’re in the 21st century!!!) would make Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa look decent by comparison.
Incredible propaganda makes this all possible. But let’s be real: no amount of propaganda, political maneuvering, or lobbying would work if the world didn't still have a massive interest in the Middle East, primarily fueled by oil (the expansion of Islam is just a convenient cover for those who aren't paying attention to the traditional power structures).

I’m asking the ladies on this forum and anyone like them to stop using this space to advertise the constant suffering or victimhood of Jews, because frankly, it doesn't exist (certainly not in Europe or the US). Meanwhile, people from the Middle East, born in various reserves and refugee camps, will always want to return to their homeland—which is natural, logical, and justified. Those who rushed to take someone else's place are the ones who'll have to deal with the fallout. The methods used by those fighting for their own land are incredibly messy and unsuccessful (mostly because they are, for the most part, uneducated and easily swayed by the interests of the educated elites), but their goal is undeniably just.
Israel/Palestine, whatever you want to call it, has to be a state where Jews, Muslims, and Christians all enjoy equal rights. Right now, that sounds like a total utopia, but without it, there will never be peace there. Ever.
Only then will Jews, like any other religious group, be able to live in total peace in the Middle East, just like they live anywhere else in the world today.
It’s interesting how some Christians identify as Palestinians... and why wouldn't they? To avoid being oppressed in a hundred different ways by the Israeli Zionist machine, I'm sure they wouldn't mind calling themselves Israelis if their basic rights were secured first. They didn't arrive via a mass migration from Europe; they’ve been there for generations, with their own land, crops, traditions, and religious customs.

There will be no peace in the Middle East as long as the "developed world" keeps finding its own selfish interests in that region.

Walls aren't Jewish, they're just jewish, which means we aren't talking about a nation here—we’re talking about a religion (just look at the Quran). Consequently, jews don't actually require a state of their own 🙂.

Beyond that, this whole thread keeps drifting toward the idea that J... oops, excuse me, jews 😁 basically brought it on themselves—not just caused it, but actually worked hand-in-hand with the Nazis to carry out the Holocaust. The only thing left to wonder is whether Mahmoud Abbas (that moderate head of the Palestinian Authority) was onto something when he was earning his doctorate in Moscow with a thesis claiming about 600,000 J... oops, j😬ews died in the Holocaust... because, honestly, would J... sorry, Jews have even been able to secure a state 😵 without that?

One more thing. Once J... oops, jews effectively orchestrated the Holocaust themselves, they still have the audacity to trade diamonds like butchers, and by maintaining Israel, they are practically begging for a second Holocaust... which will likely be caused by some other group of wicked J... uhm, jews trying to relocate Israel to Alaska.

Oh, Anthony Taylor393, Anthony Taylor393 🙂

goldensailor15 said:First off, we really need to clear the air on who or what Jews actually are. Are we talking about an ethnic group, a religious community, or something else entirely?
As an ethnic group, they belong to the Semitic lineage, but religiously they are Jews, and honestly, Zionists have gone out of their way to essentially become Jews themselves.

So, they’ve lived all over the place, but European politics—specifically in Germany, though plenty of others aren't far behind—got fed up with the greed, the manipulation, and the other schemes pulled by a certain group (who look like infants compared to Italian mobsters). Consequently, with some pretty seamless cooperation from Zionist circles, those powers made sure to minimize their influence in Europe, at least temporarily, by securing them a state in the Middle East.

And get this: where are they supposed to live? It’s just this endless, exhausting loop of playing the victim. Seriously, how much longer can this go on?
Who even claims that Jews don't have the right to live in Europe? And more importantly, where is that actually happening? People live in Europe with a much higher standard of living than most elsewhere; they know exactly where the leverage is—law, medicine, and even things like diamond dealing—so they gravitate toward those fields while constantly pushing this narrative of being perpetually threatened, which is basically pure fiction.
As for the Middle East, for the hundredth time, it’s blindingly obvious what they’ve done to the people who actually lived there, the ways they’ve forced them out, and how they segregate both people and territory.
Setting aside Islamic fundamentalism and the global power plays mostly driven by oil, all of this is still very recent and extremely well-documented, so eventually, it’s going to have to be looked at from a different perspective.
All this talk against the existence of Israel and the boogeyman Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is just part of the propaganda machine. Look, I don't care if there were a hundred Israels, basic human rights still have to be respected, and this Israel violates them constantly. The level of segregation and torture inflicted on non-Jews (the indigenous population of that area for hundreds of years—hey, we’re in the 21st century!!!) would make Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa look decent by comparison.
Incredible propaganda makes this all possible. But let’s be real: no amount of propaganda, political maneuvering, or lobbying would work if the world didn't still have a massive interest in the Middle East, primarily fueled by oil (the expansion of Islam is just a convenient cover for those who aren't paying attention to the traditional power structures).

I’m asking the ladies on this forum and anyone like them to stop using this space to advertise the constant suffering or victimhood of Jews, because frankly, it doesn't exist (certainly not in Europe or the US). Meanwhile, people from the Middle East, born in various reserves and refugee camps, will always want to return to their homeland—which is natural, logical, and justified. Those who rushed to take someone else's place are the ones who'll have to deal with the fallout. The methods used by those fighting for their own land are incredibly messy and unsuccessful (mostly because they are, for the most part, uneducated and easily swayed by the interests of the educated elites), but their goal is undeniably just.
Israel/Palestine, whatever you want to call it, has to be a state where Jews, Muslims, and Christians all enjoy equal rights. Right now, that sounds like a total utopia, but without it, there will never be peace there. Ever.
Only then will Jews, like any other religious group, be able to live in total peace in the Middle East, just like they live anywhere else in the world today.
It’s interesting how some Christians identify as Palestinians... and why wouldn't they? To avoid being oppressed in a hundred different ways by the Israeli Zionist machine, I'm sure they wouldn't mind calling themselves Israelis if their basic rights were secured first. They didn't arrive via a mass migration from Europe; they’ve been there for generations, with their own land, crops, traditions, and religious customs.

There will be no peace in the Middle East as long as the "developed world" keeps finding its own selfish interests in that region.

So, help me out here—if this is the "Apartheid" you're always talking about, how come Arabic is an official language, Arab kids go to school right alongside Jewish kids, and, weirdly enough, there are even Arabs serving in the military?

Matthew Harris2 said:Inside Israel's borders before the 1967 invasion. The Jews know that damn well.

In some of your old posts, you were claiming Israel is just some imaginary state that needs to be wiped off the map, but now you’re suddenly playing nice and saying we should just go back to the 1967 borders so everyone can live in peace.

Maybe you've got a little amnesia going on?

So, how do you justify teaching Palestinian kids that Israel will eventually be destroyed and all the Jews thrown into the sea—basically the same mantra they were chanting back in 1948?

Robin Hernandez4 said:The Jewish people have returned to their ancestral homes, and no matter what anyone wants or dreams, they aren't going anywhere—they're staying put until the end of time itself. As for those few antisemites running their mouths and dreaming up nonsense? Honestly, you can just tell them to go jump in a lake.

If I were to write that Americans need to return to their ancestral lands—even if it meant war—people would immediately label me a fascist or a traitor.

But when Jews DO THIS (and we all know how the early days of Israel actually looked), suddenly everyone is supportive. It makes me wonder: would those same people support our claims to territory like the Mississippi Delta or the Midwest?

Anthony Taylor393 said:So, help me out here—if this is the "Apartheid" you're always talking about, how come Arabic is an official language, Arab kids go to school right alongside Jewish kids, and, weirdly enough, there are even Arabs serving in the military?

I don't owe you an explanation, and honestly, I don't want to give one, especially when you kick off a thread like this. Just the perpetual pseudo-victim playing the same old card over and over... and there's really no need to put "Apartheid" in quotes; that massive segregationist Wall speaks loud enough on its own.

Everything you need is online... and out of all the "irregularities" people point to, the one that fascinates me most is how cars are clearly marked just so everyone knows exactly who they belong to.

Come on, please, just drop the link so we can actually see where these cars get marked to show who they belong to.
Every single citizen in Israel, whether they are Jewish or Palestinian, uses the exact same yellow license plates.
The only ones using different, green plates are the Palestinians who aren't Israeli citizens, but instead fall under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority.

Anthony Taylor393 said:In some of your old posts, you were claiming Israel is just some imaginary state that needs to be wiped off the map, but now you’re suddenly playing nice and saying we should just go back to the 1967 borders so everyone can live in peace.

Maybe you've got a little amnesia going on?

So, how do you justify teaching Palestinian kids that Israel will eventually be destroyed and all the Jews thrown into the sea—basically the same mantra they were chanting back in 1948?

And how do you justify the bombing and killing of those exact same children? The rocket strikes on schools and the gunfire aimed at school buses carrying those kids? Look, back in elementary school, my teacher used to tell me that Mexicans were nothing but lowlife scum, but I don't actually hate them because some old nutjob told me to; I feel that way because they were actually shooting at me and my family. Actions speak louder than words...

Robin Hernandez4 said:The Jewish people have returned to their ancestral homes, and no matter what anyone wants or dreams, they aren't going anywhere—they're staying put until the end of time itself. As for those few antisemites running their mouths and dreaming up nonsense? Honestly, you can just tell them to go jump in a lake.

What "ancestral hearths" are we even talking about here?😂 Most Israelis today couldn't point to a single ancestor from the Middle East if their life depended on it.

It’s a totally different story compared to Palestinians, whose fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, and even their great-great-great-grandfathers actually lived on that land.

How can you call it an ancestral home when even your ancestors from 1,500 years ago had zero connection to the Middle East?

Look, I’m Catholic, so by that logic, Rome and Rio de Janeiro should be considered American cities.😂

The State of Israel is honestly a bit of a joke. But hey, it exists, and that’s that.☕

Jews—well, let's just say Jews—have every right to live in Israel. Calling it apartheid feels like a massive stretch when you consider Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of hostile, aggressive people.

I don't have an issue with Israel or their fight for survival; I actually support it. My problem lies with the American Jews who are always turning against Americans. That’s why I think it would be best if as many global, and especially American, Jews as possible moved to Israel.

For instance, if a local family like the Goldstein-Ivins decided to relocate to Israel, I’d personally buy them their plane ticket—on one condition: it has to be a one-way trip.

The whole Palestinian issue could've been wrapped up back in 1948, but the surrounding countries wouldn't let it happen. It's not in their interest to have Israel around, and honestly, they couldn't care less about the Palestinians...

Jason Campbell70 said:If I were to write that Americans need to return to their ancestral lands—even if it meant war—people would immediately label me a fascist or a traitor.

But when Jews DO THIS (and we all know how the early days of Israel actually looked), suddenly everyone is supportive. It makes me wonder: would those same people support our claims to territory like the Mississippi Delta or the Midwest?

Which "ancestral lands" are we talking about here? We've been living on them forever. Or are you looking for an America that once stretched deep into Canada and beyond?🤷🤷

velvetmarlin24 said:Which "ancestral lands" are we talking about here? We've been living on them forever. Or are you looking for an America that once stretched deep into Canada and beyond?🤷🤷

The whole "ancestral American lands" thing would include everything from California to Canada, plus parts of the Midwest and way up north... Look, let's be real, ever since those old invaders showed up, most of those places have been way more independent than part of the US, but if we're playing the "historical territory" game, that's how it looks. But honestly, no sane, realistic person actually thinks about claiming Canada as part of America again. You think Americans would have even had a chance at reclaiming their historical space if the Nazis had been hunting us down like they did the Jews? Yeah, right... dream on.