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Participants Anthony Torres102Mark NelsonSam HayesEdward Murphy4Sam Wright21Jessica Chavez4Michelle EvansDana Kim4wiredwolfLinda Walker37placidwolf27rowdycobra6Sean Vaughn8velvetranger16
Anthony Torres102 Anthony Torres102 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Do you think other people are responsible for our mental state, or are we the ones to blame for everything going wrong in our lives?

Maybe if we had just walked away from certain people sooner, we’d actually be living better, more fulfilling lives right now. We wouldn't be stuck dealing with depression or carrying around these heavy mental health struggles that eventually spiral into actual physical illness...

It’s a common pattern: once someone gets sick, everyone around them starts pointing fingers, acting like it’s their own fault. People rarely stop to ask about the environment that person was living in or the sheer amount of trauma they endured before finally hitting a breaking point.

So, who is actually at fault?

What’s your take? How much of your current situation or your illness do you attribute to the people around you?
Mark Nelson Mark Nelson Active Member
146 messages
joined Jul 2011
#2 ·
I guess it all comes down to the individual, but even if someone with mental health struggles bears some responsibility for where they ended up, I don't think you can pin the whole thing on them. It’s usually just a messy web of circumstances that pulls you under.

As for me, personally? I’m pretty much to blame for the absolute psychological wreckage I’ve dealt with. I can't really go around pointing fingers at other people for my own mess.
I spent so much time procrastinating, constantly hating my own skin, while telling myself I could just fix everything whenever I felt like it. The truth is, I probably could have changed a lot, but laziness and indecision always seemed to trip me up. I didn't put in the work, and that lack of effort—combined with all that self-loathing—really cost me.
Sam Hayes Sam Hayes Active Member
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joined Mar 2011
#3 ·
I wouldn't exactly say we're to blame, though I suppose we are responsible for our own mental well-being...
we all have this tendency—I guess you could call it a bias—to perceive things in whatever way suits us best; nobody is really forcing anyone's hand. now, I'm certainly not trying to deny that psychological abuse or manipulation exists—of course it does—but honestly, why even stress ourselves out over it...
Edward Murphy4 Edward Murphy4 Active Member
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joined Nov 2010
#4 ·
Anthony Torres102 said:Do you think other people are responsible for our mental state, or are we the ones to blame for everything going wrong in our lives?

Maybe if we had just walked away from certain people sooner, we’d actually be living better, more fulfilling lives right now. We wouldn't be stuck dealing with depression or carrying around these heavy mental health struggles that eventually spiral into actual physical illness...

It’s a common pattern: once someone gets sick, everyone around them starts pointing fingers, acting like it’s their own fault. People rarely stop to ask about the environment that person was living in or the sheer amount of trauma they endured before finally hitting a breaking point.

So, who is actually at fault?

What’s your take? How much of your current situation or your illness do you attribute to the people around you?

Solid theory, but honestly? It’s almost impossible to pull off in real life.😍 How is someone supposed to just "walk away" from stuff that happened 5, 10, or 15 years ago?🤷 And let's face it—it’s usually those family dynamics, toxic patterns, and deep-seated issues from childhood that set the stage for everything else going wrong later on.
Sam Wright21 Sam Wright21 Regular
402 messages
joined Jul 2016
#5 ·
Anthony Torres102 said:Do you think other people are responsible for our mental state, or are we the ones to blame for everything going wrong in our lives?

Maybe if we had just walked away from certain people sooner, we’d actually be living better, more fulfilling lives right now. We wouldn't be stuck dealing with depression or carrying around these heavy mental health struggles that eventually spiral into actual physical illness...

It’s a common pattern: once someone gets sick, everyone around them starts pointing fingers, acting like it’s their own fault. People rarely stop to ask about the environment that person was living in or the sheer amount of trauma they endured before finally hitting a breaking point.

So, who is actually at fault?

What’s your take? How much of your current situation or your illness do you attribute to the people around you?

I suspect this is one of those deeply layered questions that typically requires years of psychotherapy to untangle. Since you’ve asked for a direct take, I'll give you one: I don't hold my upbringing or my current surroundings in particularly high regard. It has undoubtedly contributed to my constant, 24/7 anxiety. Of course, had I been born with a different temperament, I might have weathered these storms more effectively, but that's a luxury I don't have.
In my view, the idea that "you are the architect of your own misery" is a hollow cliché. Mental illnesses develop just as surely as physical ones, and they are no less dangerous. Having a supportive community around you isn't just a bonus; it's a necessity.
Jessica Chavez4 Jessica Chavez4 Active Member
67 messages
joined Jul 2012
#6 ·
And why on earth should blame and responsibility be treated as the same thing? Someone might be at fault for what happened to you during your childhood, sure, but once you're an adult, the responsibility falls on you to fix it... 🤷
Sam Wright21 Sam Wright21 Regular
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joined Jul 2016
#7 ·
Edward Murphy4 said:Solid theory, but honestly? It’s almost impossible to pull off in real life.😍 How is someone supposed to just "walk away" from stuff that happened 5, 10, or 15 years ago?🤷 And let's face it—it’s usually those family dynamics, toxic patterns, and deep-seated issues from childhood that set the stage for everything else going wrong later on.

Regrettably, that's the reality. For instance, if you aren't taught how to set boundaries early on, that deficit tends to shadow you for the rest of your life.
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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joined Jan 2013
#8 ·
Anthony Torres102 said:Do you think other people are responsible for our mental state, or are we the ones to blame for everything going wrong in our lives?

Maybe if we had just walked away from certain people sooner, we’d actually be living better, more fulfilling lives right now. We wouldn't be stuck dealing with depression or carrying around these heavy mental health struggles that eventually spiral into actual physical illness...

It’s a common pattern: once someone gets sick, everyone around them starts pointing fingers, acting like it’s their own fault. People rarely stop to ask about the environment that person was living in or the sheer amount of trauma they endured before finally hitting a breaking point.

So, who is actually at fault?

What’s your take? How much of your current situation or your illness do you attribute to the people around you?

Jessica Chavez4 said:And why on earth should blame and responsibility be treated as the same thing? Someone might be at fault for what happened to you during your childhood, sure, but once you're an adult, the responsibility falls on you to fix it... 🤷

To build on that—searching for someone to blame, whether it's yourself or someone else, is usually counterproductive. It rarely leads anywhere useful. Often, it just becomes a way to adopt a victim mentality, an excuse to avoid taking charge of one's own life, or even a form of self-punishment... depending entirely on where a person decides the "guilt" lies.
Sam Hayes Sam Hayes Active Member
97 messages
joined Mar 2011
#9 ·
Michelle Evans said:To build on that—searching for someone to blame, whether it's yourself or someone else, is usually counterproductive. It rarely leads anywhere useful. Often, it just becomes a way to adopt a victim mentality, an excuse to avoid taking charge of one's own life, or even a form of self-punishment... depending entirely on where a person decides the "guilt" lies.

Well, that is exactly how I see things too; I suppose I just phrased my thoughts a bit differently. 👍
Sam Wright21 Sam Wright21 Regular
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joined Jul 2016
#10 ·
Jessica Chavez4 said:And why on earth should blame and responsibility be treated as the same thing? Someone might be at fault for what happened to you during your childhood, sure, but once you're an adult, the responsibility falls on you to fix it... 🤷

Precisely; that’s the crux of the entire issue.
Anthony Torres102 Anthony Torres102 NewcomerOP
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#11 ·
Edward Murphy4 said:Solid theory, but honestly? It’s almost impossible to pull off in real life.😍 How is someone supposed to just "walk away" from stuff that happened 5, 10, or 15 years ago?🤷 And let's face it—it’s usually those family dynamics, toxic patterns, and deep-seated issues from childhood that set the stage for everything else going wrong later on.

You hit the nail on the head. I went through my fair share of hell during those exact years myself. My relationship with my mother was incredibly strained; honestly, if she had shown even a shred of empathy back then, I might be a completely different person today. I say "might," though—I don't necessarily blame her entirely for where I ended up.

As for getting support from people around me when I got sick, I don't know about you guys, but I definitely didn't find much of it.
Dana Kim4 Dana Kim4 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2011
#12 ·
Anthony Torres102 said:Do you think other people are responsible for our mental state, or are we the ones to blame for everything going wrong in our lives?

Maybe if we had just walked away from certain people sooner, we’d actually be living better, more fulfilling lives right now. We wouldn't be stuck dealing with depression or carrying around these heavy mental health struggles that eventually spiral into actual physical illness...

It’s a common pattern: once someone gets sick, everyone around them starts pointing fingers, acting like it’s their own fault. People rarely stop to ask about the environment that person was living in or the sheer amount of trauma they endured before finally hitting a breaking point.

So, who is actually at fault?

What’s your take? How much of your current situation or your illness do you attribute to the people around you?

As for me, there are definitely some specific people who are to blame for dragging me into the mess I'm in right now.😢
wiredwolf wiredwolf Newcomer
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joined Aug 2011
#13 ·
Sam Wright21 said:I suspect this is one of those deeply layered questions that typically requires years of psychotherapy to untangle. Since you’ve asked for a direct take, I'll give you one: I don't hold my upbringing or my current surroundings in particularly high regard. It has undoubtedly contributed to my constant, 24/7 anxiety. Of course, had I been born with a different temperament, I might have weathered these storms more effectively, but that's a luxury I don't have.
In my view, the idea that "you are the architect of your own misery" is a hollow cliché. Mental illnesses develop just as surely as physical ones, and they are no less dangerous. Having a supportive community around you isn't just a bonus; it's a necessity.

Hmm... I have to say, I don't quite see eye to eye on that, especially when we start speculating about how necessary multi-year therapy sessions actually are. I’m not sure if there are any other mental health professionals lurking in this thread, but just as a side note, there are plenty of short-term therapeutic methods out there that are incredibly effective. 😉
Besides, by suggesting that everything must be solved through therapy, you might inadvertently be placing a person back into a dependent position—only this time, it's in relation to a therapist. 🙂 Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking psychotherapy 🙂 but it's simply not a universal requirement. For some people, an hour of heartfelt conversation with someone they trust is enough to help them sort through their thoughts; for others, it really does require much more time and a complete restructuring of their entire inner world.

Regarding the dilemma Mark Nelson (which, by the way, is such a wonderful nickname! 🙂 ) brought up—what do you all think about the nuance between saying, "I am responsible for my psychological distress," versus "My condition/illness is causing my psychological distress"? In that first version, it feels like the weight of responsibility sits entirely on our shoulders... but honestly, what are we supposed to do with things we don't even understand? We don't know why they happen, how they work, or even what they are called until someone finally hands us a clinical diagnosis from a doctor at the Mayo Clinic. How can we realistically be held accountable for something we haven't even begun to grasp? It’s a bit like trying to install central heating in a house when you don't even know where the walls are strong enough to drill into. That second phrasing, however, seems to offer a little breathing room. 😉 It suggests, "Okay, my condition is the culprit, but I am still ME—an individual who can build up strength through energy and awareness and work toward improving this situation, certainly with a bit of support."

@ Mark Nelson... I'm quite convinced that the things you mentioned—procrastination, indecision, and that lingering sense of dissatisfaction—are all parts of a larger pattern that was ultimately beyond your control... and so, that might actually be the answer to your initial question.

However, you do have agency over how you choose to label it... whether you’ll admit that this "something" is outside of your control and doesn't serve you anymore, leading you to seek help... or if you'll continue living in this state of "psychological terror" where you can clearly see that things aren't right and you aren't functioning as well as you should.

Gosh, I don't know the full story since I'm still pretty new to this forum, but there it is... please just take whatever resonates with you. 😉
Linda Walker37 Linda Walker37 Member
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joined Oct 2009
#14 ·
Anthony Torres102 said:Do you think other people are responsible for our mental state, or are we the ones to blame for everything going wrong in our lives?

Maybe if we had just walked away from certain people sooner, we’d actually be living better, more fulfilling lives right now. We wouldn't be stuck dealing with depression or carrying around these heavy mental health struggles that eventually spiral into actual physical illness...

It’s a common pattern: once someone gets sick, everyone around them starts pointing fingers, acting like it’s their own fault. People rarely stop to ask about the environment that person was living in or the sheer amount of trauma they endured before finally hitting a breaking point.

So, who is actually at fault?

What’s your take? How much of your current situation or your illness do you attribute to the people around you?

I think everyone handles these kinds of struggles in their own way.
Speaking for myself, I realize I’ve been at fault because I let people try to manage my life for me.
For me, creating distance is the absolute best way to find peace—both with them and within myself.
It took me a long time to finally put the pieces together.
So, I'm all for stepping back, setting boundaries, and drawing lines in the sand. 😉
placidwolf27 placidwolf27 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#15 ·
Anthony Torres102 said:Do you think other people are responsible for our mental state, or are we the ones to blame for everything going wrong in our lives?

Maybe if we had just walked away from certain people sooner, we’d actually be living better, more fulfilling lives right now. We wouldn't be stuck dealing with depression or carrying around these heavy mental health struggles that eventually spiral into actual physical illness...

It’s a common pattern: once someone gets sick, everyone around them starts pointing fingers, acting like it’s their own fault. People rarely stop to ask about the environment that person was living in or the sheer amount of trauma they endured before finally hitting a breaking point.

So, who is actually at fault?

What’s your take? How much of your current situation or your illness do you attribute to the people around you?

Honestly, what difference does it make whether someone is at fault or not?

Assigning blame doesn't actually change reality... nothing shifts because of it.

A lot of people share responsibility for an individual's mental health—including the person themselves—and while you can certainly dissect everything to find specific triggers or causes, the situation remains exactly what it is... guilt is ultimately a useless metric here.

Besides, who would even be the culprit? You? Them? The federal government? Morality? Santa Claus?
rowdycobra6 rowdycobra6 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2011
#16 ·
Anthony Torres102 said:Do you think other people are responsible for our mental state, or are we the ones to blame for everything going wrong in our lives?

Maybe if we had just walked away from certain people sooner, we’d actually be living better, more fulfilling lives right now. We wouldn't be stuck dealing with depression or carrying around these heavy mental health struggles that eventually spiral into actual physical illness...

It’s a common pattern: once someone gets sick, everyone around them starts pointing fingers, acting like it’s their own fault. People rarely stop to ask about the environment that person was living in or the sheer amount of trauma they endured before finally hitting a breaking point.

So, who is actually at fault?

What’s your take? How much of your current situation or your illness do you attribute to the people around you?

I find it hard to believe that walking away is the best solution in most scenarios—unless we are talking about truly extreme cases. After all, how much quality can a life really have if you are constantly severing vital relationships?

It’s quite common for people to face judgment when they fall ill, with those around them implying the person is solely responsible for their own misfortune, rather than inquiring about the circumstances they endured or the hardships that led to such a psychological breaking point.

So, where does the blame actually lie?

While judging someone for these struggles is certainly wrong, obsessing over who is at fault is equally unproductive.
What are your thoughts on this, and to what extent do you feel others are responsible for your current state or your illness?

I don't think any of us are entirely to blame for our failures, nor are we solely deserving of our successes, in the truest sense of those words.
The priority should be finding a way to climb out of whatever hole we've fallen into, though that process will likely be a much slower slog if we spend our energy debating who holds the most or least responsibility. What matters far more is finding support, comfort, and a sense of security...
Mark Nelson Mark Nelson Active Member
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joined Jul 2011
#17 ·
Regarding that whole issue Mark Nelson brought up (love that nickname, by the way 🙂 ), I’ve been thinking about how much weight we put on certain phrases. Is there really a difference between saying, "I am responsible for my mental torment" versus "My condition/illness is causing this mental torment"? With the first one, it feels like the blame is pinned squarely on us. But honestly, what are we supposed to do with things we don't even understand? How can we know why they happen, how they work, or even what they're called until someone finally drops a formal diagnosis on us? I mean, how are you supposed to install central heating in a house if you don't even know where you're allowed to drill holes? The second sentence kind of gives you some breathing room 😉 Like, okay, my condition is the problem, but I'm still ME—an individual who can build up some energy and awareness to actually work on fixing this, obviously with help...

@ Mark Nelson... I'm pretty sure that everything you mentioned (the procrastination, the indecision, the constant dissatisfaction) is just part of a much bigger picture, something that was completely out of your control... so I guess that's my answer to your initial question

But you *do* have control over what you do next. Specifically, how you choose to label it. You can admit that this "something" is outside your control and that it isn't working for you, then go find support... or you can just keep living in this "mental torment" where you already know something is broken and you aren't functioning right

Man, I don't know the full story since I'm new to this forum, but there it is... just take whatever parts make sense to you 😉

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I know. I'm seeing a psychiatrist and I'm on medication. So, from that angle, I've definitely sought out support. 😁
And I've got my family behind me, too.
That "bigger picture" stuff is really just a pileup of negative events, both external and internal.
For the external stuff, I used to think I had some sort of built-in defense mechanism, so nothing from the outside really touched me. What really eats at me is the fact that I couldn't reach self-actualization in certain areas of my life the way I wanted to. And the worst part is knowing I didn't do anything about it, even though I felt like I actually could.
Dana Kim4 Dana Kim4 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2011
#18 ·
placidwolf27 said:Honestly, what difference does it make whether someone is at fault or not?

Assigning blame doesn't actually change reality... nothing shifts because of it.

A lot of people share responsibility for an individual's mental health—including the person themselves—and while you can certainly dissect everything to find specific triggers or causes, the situation remains exactly what it is... guilt is ultimately a useless metric here.

Besides, who would even be the culprit? You? Them? The federal government? Morality? Santa Claus?

And why shouldn't this matter—really? I mean, we’re talking about our actual feelings, our health, and our lives here. The people who might actually be responsible for all this—as Dana Kim4 points out—are just out there living their lives, totally unbothered. Meanwhile, we’re the ones dealing with the fallout, getting sick and suffering because of the choices they made toward us. Honestly, I don't see any reason why this shouldn't matter to us, or why it shouldn't mean everything.
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
320 messages
joined Jan 2013
#19 ·
Dana Kim4 said:And why shouldn't this matter—really? I mean, we’re talking about our actual feelings, our health, and our lives here. The people who might actually be responsible for all this—as Dana Kim4 points out—are just out there living their lives, totally unbothered. Meanwhile, we’re the ones dealing with the fallout, getting sick and suffering because of the choices they made toward us. Honestly, I don't see any reason why this shouldn't matter to us, or why it shouldn't mean everything.

The question wasn't actually directed at me, but I'll weigh in anyway:
Blaming others and holding onto resentment won't lead to healing or a better life. It actually does the opposite...
Dana Kim4 Dana Kim4 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2011
#20 ·
Michelle Evans said:The question wasn't actually directed at me, but I'll weigh in anyway:
Blaming others and holding onto resentment won't lead to healing or a better life. It actually does the opposite...

Yeah, I mean, I totally get where you're coming from—dwelling on it doesn't help anyone—but sometimes it’s just really hard to move past all the crap people have thrown at you throughout your life.😢

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