Will there ever be peace?

Will there ever truly be peace on this earth? I find myself wondering if this planet is even meant to be a place of tranquility, or if we are destined to be an eternal battlefield for the forces of good and evil. Is fighting for what is right even worth the effort? For those who are spiritually inclined—those who have found connection with God, Jesus, or whoever they choose to follow as they seek to transcend this physical realm—does our duty lie in rising above this world, or in staying deeply embedded within its struggles? Perhaps this entire existence is merely a dream, and God is simply waiting for us to wake up and return to Him.

I don't think peace will ever happen, unless the admin can fix it...

Where does peace even start?

Matthew Anderson4 said:Where does peace even start?

Right where Islam—and all those similar "revelations"—ends... and honestly, this is just a tiny slice of the truth. Every single war boils down to economic interests. Take Muhammad-Allah's interests, for example: it started with raiding caravans (the Quran lays out how they split the loot), then moved to conquering the world and slapping taxes on non-believers (also in the Quran) just so they could live high on the hog while everyone else worked for them—all while they lounged around with a harem of women and servants (which is basically their version of paradise, according to the Quran).

When I tried to bring this up myself, I got blocked... it’s the exact same way they hide crimes committed by radical Muslims against women and kids in Germany today...

People in France are finally pushing back against violent Islam: http://croative.net/?p=41627...

I’ve always believed that peace belongs to women. 🙂

Matthew Anderson4 said:Where does peace even start?

Peace is just finding that balance with fear... that’s the cold hard truth—until you show some teeth and prove someone can't just walk all over you.

Of course they will.

But when?

Only once human consciousness evolves to a certain point.

First, we have to realize that war inflicts irreparable damage on everyone involved—and I use the term *winners* loosely here, because there are no winners in a conflict; the only true victors are death and destruction itself.

Once we reach that stage of development, people stop fighting out of pure selfishness. They restrain themselves from violence and opt for peaceful resolutions simply to avoid hurting their own interests.

The next level of evolution is understanding that there isn't actually anyone to fight against. There are no "enemies." There are just different people—people who speak different languages, think differently, or perhaps even think incorrectly.

But honestly, it’s better to let people be wrong than to try and force them toward "correctness" through warfare and bloodshed. If you kill a man's child, you can bet he won't be thinking "rationally" anymore; the sheer agony of that loss leaves no room for logic.

At the end of the day, all wars are driven by material motives; essentially, every war is just a glorified form of robbery.

Everyone loses in a war, both in ways we can measure and ways we cannot (for instance, the immeasurable loss of a child whose potential might have led to a breakthrough benefiting all of humanity).

There is enough for everyone on this planet. People who obsessively hoard material goods fail to realize they are wasting their limited time on trivialities. You can only sleep in one bed at a time, sit in one chair... having a surplus of stuff doesn't enrich a person; quite the opposite, the possessions end up owning the person. Stuff owns you.

Look, it’s gonna be brutal, I won't lie. But even if things hit some kind of cosmic breaking point, it’s just a flash in the pan in the grand scheme of things. This country was never some perfect paradise, and let's be real—it's probably only going to get messier from here.

darkraven said:Look, it’s gonna be brutal, I won't lie. But even if things hit some kind of cosmic breaking point, it’s just a flash in the pan in the grand scheme of things. This country was never some perfect paradise, and let's be real—it's probably only going to get messier from here.

I see things differently. America can absolutely be "Paradise," 😁 but that doesn't mean it's some external destination for conscious people. It's about the evolution of consciousness right here. We have incredible potential as beings, yet so many people waste their lives chasing some imaginary "heaven in the sky." They dump all their hopes onto a distant concept while life passes them by, leaving them standing on the sidelines.

Heaven and hell only exist within the human mind. In fact, they're "more real than reality" because that's how illusions work. But that doesn't mean we can't make paradise a tangible part of our daily existence again. People abandoned those states of being a long time ago, and ever since then, they've just been "existing" here.

Michael Gonzalez77 said:I see things differently. America can absolutely be "Paradise," 😁 but that doesn't mean it's some external destination for conscious people. It's about the evolution of consciousness right here. We have incredible potential as beings, yet so many people waste their lives chasing some imaginary "heaven in the sky." They dump all their hopes onto a distant concept while life passes them by, leaving them standing on the sidelines.

Heaven and hell only exist within the human mind. In fact, they're "more real than reality" because that's how illusions work. But that doesn't mean we can't make paradise a tangible part of our daily existence again. People abandoned those states of being a long time ago, and ever since then, they've just been "existing" here.

Yeah, my ass. 😁

I mean, sure, "paradise" is a pretty subjective term. If you’re someone who’s perfectly fine with your specific environment—especially if that environment provides everything you need to stay alive—then yeah, I guess you might call it paradise. But I’m not so sure an alien would be feeling the same way about this place.

Take us, for instance. About 71% of the surface of this country is covered by oceans, just massive stretches of salty water. If you drink too much of it... you're dead.

If you drown... you're dead.

And if you somehow end up a few miles below the surface, the pressure will... well, it'll kill you. It honestly feels like the Earth—or rather, excuse me, Oceania—doesn't give a damn about us. I don't know about you guys, but it doesn't look like paradise to me. And that's just getting started.

darkraven said:Yeah, my ass. 😁

I mean, sure, "paradise" is a pretty subjective term. If you’re someone who’s perfectly fine with your specific environment—especially if that environment provides everything you need to stay alive—then yeah, I guess you might call it paradise. But I’m not so sure an alien would be feeling the same way about this place.

Take us, for instance. About 71% of the surface of this country is covered by oceans, just massive stretches of salty water. If you drink too much of it... you're dead.

If you drown... you're dead.

And if you somehow end up a few miles below the surface, the pressure will... well, it'll kill you. It honestly feels like the Earth—or rather, excuse me, Oceania—doesn't give a damn about us. I don't know about you guys, but it doesn't look like paradise to me. And that's just getting started.

We don't have a better paradise than this one. Unlike some people's fantasies of what "heaven" should be, this is the real deal. It's just like how the mind perceives reality through the senses and tries to make sense of its own version of "truth."
Anyone who can't see that is living in a fantasy land, usually filled with delusions that haunt them every single day.

Talking about Oceania without experiencing it, or talking about volcanoes without ever seeing one—where else are you going to find bigger lies than that? You're just talking out of turn. Then again, I guess that's what this forum is for; we're all experts at making stuff up... 😁

Michael Gonzalez77 said:We don't have a better paradise than this one. Unlike some people's fantasies of what "heaven" should be, this is the real deal. It's just like how the mind perceives reality through the senses and tries to make sense of its own version of "truth."
Anyone who can't see that is living in a fantasy land, usually filled with delusions that haunt them every single day.

Talking about Oceania without experiencing it, or talking about volcanoes without ever seeing one—where else are you going to find bigger lies than that? You're just talking out of turn. Then again, I guess that's what this forum is for; we're all experts at making stuff up... 😁

I don't really get you. What do you mean I'm just guessing? Everything I laid out is factually spot on. 🤔

Look, I don't need to chug seawater to understand how it'll affect me, especially if I'm stuck in the middle of the Atlantic parched and dying of thirst. And I don't need to go free-diving without a mask to know that opening my mouth underwater is a terrible idea. That logic applies to pretty much everything else in life.

Stop trying to be a philosopher. 😁

darkraven said:I don't really get you. What do you mean I'm just guessing? Everything I laid out is factually spot on. 🤔

Look, I don't need to chug seawater to understand how it'll affect me, especially if I'm stuck in the middle of the Atlantic parched and dying of thirst. And I don't need to go free-diving without a mask to know that opening my mouth underwater is a terrible idea. That logic applies to pretty much everything else in life.

Stop trying to be a philosopher. 😁

Obviously you don't need to, but I'm talking about this kind of reasoning: "If you eat lead, you'll die; if you drink fridge water mixed with oil, you'll get sick," and so on.

If someone's impression is that the planet they live on is "garbage" just because drinking salt water can kill them, or because a tornado might blow them away—well, that line of thinking is a dead end. Think about it: a human being is basically a tiny version of the planet. Our bodies are made of the exact same stuff as the world around us—water, air, earth, fire, ether. We are the planet in miniature. 😁

In your personal experience, the planet isn't "paradise." Fine. It’s not paradise when you compare it to the idealized version of heaven we imagine in our heads.
But the core truth is that, within an individual's own experience, it *is* Paradise. Why? Because there is no "other" outside of one's own experience. Besides, "Paradise" should probably be defined as a state of consciousness rather than a physical habitat. Ultimately, whether it feels like paradise or not depends entirely on the limited scope of a human life, not because "the water is salty" or "the sky is blue."

Sam Martinez9 said:Of course they will.

But when?

Only once human consciousness evolves to a certain point.

First, we have to realize that war inflicts irreparable damage on everyone involved—and I use the term *winners* loosely here, because there are no winners in a conflict; the only true victors are death and destruction itself.

Once we reach that stage of development, people stop fighting out of pure selfishness. They restrain themselves from violence and opt for peaceful resolutions simply to avoid hurting their own interests.

The next level of evolution is understanding that there isn't actually anyone to fight against. There are no "enemies." There are just different people—people who speak different languages, think differently, or perhaps even think incorrectly.

But honestly, it’s better to let people be wrong than to try and force them toward "correctness" through warfare and bloodshed. If you kill a man's child, you can bet he won't be thinking "rationally" anymore; the sheer agony of that loss leaves no room for logic.

At the end of the day, all wars are driven by material motives; essentially, every war is just a glorified form of robbery.

Everyone loses in a war, both in ways we can measure and ways we cannot (for instance, the immeasurable loss of a child whose potential might have led to a breakthrough benefiting all of humanity).

There is enough for everyone on this planet. People who obsessively hoard material goods fail to realize they are wasting their limited time on trivialities. You can only sleep in one bed at a time, sit in one chair... having a surplus of stuff doesn't enrich a person; quite the opposite, the possessions end up owning the person. Stuff owns you.

Yeah, well—that’s not happening anytime soon.

We’ve basically turned into this massive, shallow selfie-obsessed civilization that spends all day liking photos of random cats on Facebook while completely ignoring the fact that people's entire lives are being torn apart halfway across the globe—sometimes even because of their own country. Someone out there is losing their home, their family, everything they own, and we just sit here scrolling, totally unbothered, as long as the chaos isn't knocking on our own front door.

David Vaughn75 said:Yeah, well—that’s not happening anytime soon.

We’ve basically turned into this massive, shallow selfie-obsessed civilization that spends all day liking photos of random cats on Facebook while completely ignoring the fact that people's entire lives are being torn apart halfway across the globe—sometimes even because of their own country. Someone out there is losing their home, their family, everything they own, and we just sit here scrolling, totally unbothered, as long as the chaos isn't knocking on our own front door.

I find myself in complete agreement here. This whole "selfie civilization" we’ve drifted into is deeply unsettling. It breeds a pervasive sense of superficiality and a blatant disregard for genuine connection. Everything is becoming a performance rather than an experience.

Look, at the end of the day, I’d much rather see them staring at their smartphone screens than swinging machetes. It’s a simple trade-off: I'll take a generation obsessed with taking selfies over one that’s busy decapitating people any day of the week.

There will never be peace, I can guarantee you that 😁

Sam Martinez9 said:I find myself in complete agreement here. This whole "selfie civilization" we’ve drifted into is deeply unsettling. It breeds a pervasive sense of superficiality and a blatant disregard for genuine connection. Everything is becoming a performance rather than an experience.

Look, at the end of the day, I’d much rather see them staring at their smartphone screens than swinging machetes. It’s a simple trade-off: I'll take a generation obsessed with taking selfies over one that’s busy decapitating people any day of the week.

But that’s exactly where we hit the wall.

See, while he's sitting there scrolling through his phone, the soldiers from his own country are out there doing the dirty work—fighting wars and killing people—and he couldn't care less. It doesn't even register.

You talk about needing "awareness," like if people actually gave a damn, they'd use their votes to kick out the warmongers and the agitators at the ballot box. But that? That just isn't happening. If anything, it's the opposite. Young people today are becoming more and more disconnected from politics. It’s all about chasing a paycheck and finding a date—that's pretty much the entire extent of their worldview.

Theory...
If this whole existence was designed specifically to facilitate an experience of dualism and total separation from God/Creation (whatever
you want to call Him),
then even if we managed to ascend to some higher plane of consciousness where negative emotions and wars don't exist,
I’m betting we’d just end up constructing yet another reality where the soul can go through those exact same trials.

David Vaughn75 said:But that’s exactly where we hit the wall.

See, while he's sitting there scrolling through his phone, the soldiers from his own country are out there doing the dirty work—fighting wars and killing people—and he couldn't care less. It doesn't even register.

You talk about needing "awareness," like if people actually gave a damn, they'd use their votes to kick out the warmongers and the agitators at the ballot box. But that? That just isn't happening. If anything, it's the opposite. Young people today are becoming more and more disconnected from politics. It’s all about chasing a paycheck and finding a date—that's pretty much the entire extent of their worldview.

Only the corrupt officials sitting in their offices benefit from politics. Regular people are expected to just adapt to whatever they decide. I'm glad we young people aren't interested. There's no point in getting involved anyway.

John Smith said:Theory...
If this whole existence was designed specifically to facilitate an experience of dualism and total separation from God/Creation (whatever
you want to call Him),
then even if we managed to ascend to some higher plane of consciousness where negative emotions and wars don't exist,
I’m betting we’d just end up constructing yet another reality where the soul can go through those exact same trials.

Think about it: even if a person listens to themselves and tries to find mental and emotional harmony, they’re still living inside an illusion—they’re still living as a persona. The world itself doesn't change; instead, human perception shifts so much that you finally see through the veil. You realize it's all an illusion, or perhaps like a vivid dream so convincing that the only way to feel it is to get lost in it and mistake it for reality.

We’re essentially living in a "double dream." Most people aren't even aware they're trapped in an illusion. They genuinely believe that their mind—which is really just a collection of impressions and distorted perceptions—is the ultimate truth. To them, that distorted mental map *is* reality.

Let's say technology finally unlocks a whole new economy—where resources and energy just aren't an issue anymore. Think along the lines of that Star Trek model.

We'd still probably need some kind of global government, though I don't see it being a democracy at the top level—maybe we keep the democratic stuff for local governance instead.

As for the "spiritual awakening" or whatever you all call this "shift in consciousness"... that’s gonna take generations. It's a slow burn. That said, there's definitely been a trend moving in that direction since the late 70s. We're nowhere near a critical mass for massive societal shifts, but it's enough to keep things relatively peaceful for now.

But look, we both know how it goes—one major crisis hits and people revert back to animals. It all comes down to survival.