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Participants ruggedjackal46northerncrane4Charles Davis88Joseph Lee3Anthony BaileyJack Murphy5Ashley Grant66
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 RegularOP
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#1 ·
There’s zero discussion about this movie here, and honestly, it feels like hardly anyone gives a damn about it. It's strange.

Anyway, we're talking about a Woody Allen film. It's a mockumentary about Zelig, a man who acts like a human chameleon, shifting his entire physical appearance and personality just to blend in with whoever he's talking to.

It’s a brilliant piece of work—a sharp satire of documentaries, the media, the fickle nature of public opinion, psychoanalysis, and all that jazz. It’s classic Allen, but there's this subtler layer of wit to it that I find really beautiful. Plus, the special effects are actually impressive; those physical transformations and the way they seamlessly integrated characters into actual footage from the 1920s and 30s were genuinely fascinating for the time.

So, has anyone else actually sat down and watched this?
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#2 ·
ruggedjackal46 said:Basically, just another Woody Allen flick.

Personally, I think it's Woody Allen's best work.
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 RegularOP
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northerncrane4 said:In my opinion, Woody Allen's best work.

You think it's a masterpiece?

There are just so many brilliant little details in there.
I love the whole mockumentary concept. The way they build the entire story using actual documents and news clippings—only for the journalists in the film to admit they were probably sensationalized in the first place—is just clever.
And that whole bit about "treating" Zelig? I don't actually buy that he gained a personality through therapy. It feels more like he just realized that if he shaved and played the part everyone expected of him, life in American society would be a hell of a lot easier. Just conforming to fit the mold.
The doctor is such a fantastic character, too.
Plus, I really appreciated the parallels drawn to Moby Dick; it works so well as a symbol for everything happening.

Anyway, 😍 I’ve always thought Allen was great, but here he really manages to hit on so many different levels, if you know what I mean.
Charles Davis88 Charles Davis88 Member
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#4 ·
northerncrane4 said:It's my favorite Woody Allen movie.

Me too.
First time I watched it was back in the fall of 2000—I was recovering from tonsil surgery at the time and honestly, I cursed the damn thing a hundred times... felt like someone was stabbing my throat every single time I tried to laugh. Just every ten seconds or so.
Joseph Lee3 Joseph Lee3 Active Member
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joined May 2005
#5 ·
The first true mockumentary, right? I’m fairly certain Spinal Tap hit theaters after Zelig. Back then, before everything went digital, the movie was basically a masterpiece of practical effects. Legend has it that Gordon Willis actually stomped all over the film stock just to give it that gritty, realistic wear and tear. They even went out of their way to track down a camera and lenses from the 1920s to nail the look.

I suspect Allen spent more time on this project than any other, mostly because the technical hurdles were so intense; he managed to shoot two entire other movies during the time he spent in post-production for this one.

The only thing truly absurd or interesting to me is how Allen leaned into playing the lead. As a character, he’s the complete antithesis of Leonard Zelig. His range as an actor seems to hit a ceiling based on what we see in this single role—much like everything else he does. It’s as if his persona is permanently branded by his other work, similar to how people view Chaplin or plenty of other icons.

In reality, much like Zelig, he is unmistakably Woody Allen, just a version of Woody Allen who happens to find joy in telling a brilliantly deranged story.
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#6 ·
What a masterpiece! Absolutely brilliant.
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Put him in a room with heavy hitters, and he’ll fold like a cheap suit. He’ll lose himself entirely. I've seen it happen before—one minute you're standing your ground, the next you're just a shadow of someone else's ego. It's pathetic.
Listen, I’ve been thinking about *Zelig* again. It’s one of those films that stays under your skin. Woody Allen really hit on something profound here—that desperate, almost pathological need to belong by becoming whoever the room needs you to be. It’s uncomfortable to watch because it hits too close to home for anyone who’s ever felt like an outsider. The way he handles the chameleon concept? Brilliant. But it’s also deeply unsettling. He’s basically showing us a man without a core, just a series of masks. It makes you wonder how much of our own "personality" is just us performing for the crowd. A bit heavy for a comedy, sure, but that's why it works. It’s not just some mindless gag reel; there’s actual substance underneath the neuroticism.
Jack Murphy5 Jack Murphy5 Active Member
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joined Feb 2014
#7 ·
I happened to stumble upon PBS late last night around 1:00 AM. It was a brilliant film.

Here are a few standout lines:

I have an interesting case. I'm treating two sets of Siamese twins with split personalities. I'm getting paid by eight people.

The Ku Klux Klan, who saw Zelig as a Jew, that could turn himself into a Negro and an Indian, saw him as a triple threat.

But I've never flown before in my life, and it shows exactly what you can do, if you're a total psychotic!

I worked with Freud in Vienna. We broke over the concept of penis envy. Freud felt that it should be limited to women.
Ashley Grant66 Ashley Grant66 Member
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joined Nov 2015
#8 ·
I caught it last night, and wow—what a brilliant concept and such sharp directing! 👍 I’m starting to think Woody was actually at his absolute peak in his seventies—just so incredibly imaginative. Sure, he "evolved" later on and really perfected that signature style you see in all his work now, but those flicks from the late 60s and early 70s? They are just pure, unadulterated fun.

The movie pokes fun at pretty much everything. I’m a little bummed because I was nodding off a bit while watching, so I definitely missed some of the cleverer quotes and subtle bits. My only real gripe is that they had to force a romance at the end—kind of silly, right?—but hey, Woody has always been a bit of an old-school romantic at heart. 😬

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