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2014 Canadian GP - Montreal (June 8)

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stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#21 ·
steelmaker83 said:Since that thread got locked, I’ve gotta move the conversation over here. Just don't want this to get buried. So, basically:

And then the Canadian Grand Prix happens...

What on earth did you see at the Canadian Grand Prix that makes my quote so wrong? 😕
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#22 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:In what universe? Can Red Bull Racing actually outpace Mercedes when it comes to raw power and pure speed?

stormybadger8's universe 😍
That damn Red Bull just keeps hugging the podium and slapping everyone else in the face. It’s a joke, honestly. Typical. 😬🤣
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#23 ·
Robert Cox46 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2bLIgJDNxE

Pure 🙏masterclass 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
If you can't see that, you're blind. 😁
steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#24 ·
stormybadger8 said:What exactly did you see at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway that makes my quote so wrong? 😕

How many times has a driver who pits LATER ended up ahead of everyone else at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway?
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#25 ·
steelmaker83 said:How many times has a driver at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway finished ahead just because they pitted LATER?

You're quoting a post you clearly didn't even bother to read.🤦
Christian Harris11 Christian Harris11 Member
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#26 ·
stormybadger8 said:The only reason you’re claiming Ricci was bossing Vettel around is because Vettel had a slower pit stop compared to Ricci, plus the fact that they basically screwed him over with that early pit call—trying to cover Bottas and then leaving him stuck right behind a slow Hulkenberg.

I just realized this and it finally clicked for me, but I honestly don't understand what they're thinking over at Red Bull Racing, or even at Ferrari, when they decide to go out of their way to cover for someone in a Toro Rosso. Their cars were clearly faster, especially during qualifying, so it feels like such a waste when they dodge one driver only to get stuck behind another in those exact same situations, instead of just running their own race and trying to grab a few fast laps once they actually have an opening, rather than getting trapped behind drivers they have absolutely no chance of overtaking.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 RegularOP
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#27 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:What was the very last race Didier Pironi competed in, and how many Grands Prix would it have taken for Nico Rosberg to overtake him?
Furthermore, at which specific race did Rosberg secure his first career victory—which also happened to be his solitary win of that season?
And that single win stood as one of only five victories throughout his entire nine-season career in Formula 1.
A true master behind the wheel, without question.
And an aristocrat, naturally. 😍

I find myself repeating my inquiry (as I suspect you might not have closely followed the 1982 season):
How many races did Rosberg lead during the 1982 campaign?
And what is the immediate association that comes to mind when I mention the colors blue and red?
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active Member
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#28 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Are you trying to say that being "professor-like" actually makes you slower than the competition?

Not at all—it’s more about not being as reckless as Lewis Hamilton. For instance, if both drivers are hitting the brakes at the exact same point, Hamilton—being the absolute wildcard he is—will just push it until he completely destroys his brakes, all just to prove he can be faster.

Take Alain Prost, for example; there were plenty of times when he was technically slower than Ayrton Senna, but Senna was that high-strung type who always felt the need to prove something to someone—which, quite frankly, ended up costing him a massive amount of points.

At the end of the day, though, it's all about the points on the board, and that's really what matters.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#29 ·
jadeseal7 said:It’s about being a pro instead of acting like a total amateur like Hamilton. For instance, when they both burn through the same part at the same time, Hamilton—being the amateur he is—just keeps hammering the brakes trying to prove he's faster until everything's trashed.

Take Alain Prost, for example. He was slower than Ayrton Senna quite often, but Senna was a wild man who always felt the need to prove something to someone, which cost him a ton of points.

At the end of the day, you just count the points and move on.

Hamilton's issue is that he realized the problem was dirty air behind Nico Rosberg and overheating brakes, or whatever they told him the issue was...
And his gut reaction is just "attack and overtake Rosberg" rather than slowing down to build a decent two-second gap.😁

That's just who he is. It's why everyone loves him, but it's also exactly why he struggles to clinch those titles...
And no, I didn't just pull that stat out of thin air—the one showing he basically has one retirement for every single win in his career.😁
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#30 ·
Christian Harris11 said:I just noticed this and it finally clicked. Who the hell at Red Bull—or even Ferrari for that matter—thinks it’s a good idea to play bodyguard for Toro Rosso? Let's be real, they have faster cars, especially in qualifying... yet in these situations, they dodge one driver only to get stuck behind another. Instead of just running their own race and trying to grab a few fast laps once they actually have clear air, they end up babysitting drivers they have zero chance of overtaking anyway.

I don't get it either.🤷
It's probably just some hysterical tactic because we aren't invincible anymore. Since we aren't sitting comfortably at the top, they're suddenly terrified of anyone breathing down our necks...
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#31 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:What was the last race Pironi actually drove, and how many races did it take for Rosberg to overtake him?
Plus, which race was Rosberg's first career win—his one and only win that season?
And that single win was one of just five total across his entire nine-season Formula 1 career.
Man, what a driver. Just wow.
Total aristocrat, obviously. 😍

if Villeneuve hadn't died, Pironi wouldn't have had 39 points by Hockenheim—it would've been 29

Well, that’s certainly a new way to look at it.
Jerry Rogers6 Jerry Rogers6 Active Member
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#32 ·
stormybadger8 said:And that whole idea of relying on a teammate☕
is something the fans just can't seem to wrap their heads around—they've been blind to it for years. Honestly, they could probably start a fan club called "The Mole Society" at this rate and nobody would notice the deception.🤣

Look, if hala ako RB actually manages to outpace Mečka in terms of pure car performance and raw speed, then having a guy like Ricc is basically a massive bonus for Vettel—a gift wrapped in gold.☕
zakaj ??? What kind of nonsense are you talking about?
Because, plain and simple, when Ricc has a decent car, he’s more than capable of consistently beating the Mercedes drivers...
So, looking at the margin of victory, the difference because of him is +10 instead of +7... and once you factor in Hamilton, we're talking a +13 gap compared to Rosberg.☕

As for Vettel, the fact that he *has* to beat Ricc to prove himself is actually a blessing in disguise. If he can pull it off, great. If he can't? Well, then he doesn't deserve the title anyway.

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darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#33 ·
Why on earth did they let Rosberg off the hook when he totally cut the chicane and just floored it through the shortcut?
steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#34 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Why was Rosberg let off the hook when he cut the chicane and powered through at full throttle?

And what was the alternative? Hand him a five-second penalty? He didn't steal that much time. Order him to let Hamilton past? That would be an excessive punishment.
It’s perfectly reasonable to overlook a first mistake with a warning (which he received), especially early in the race.

The real question is what happens if a driver does that—for the first and only time—right at the end of the race, two or three laps out, or on the final lap? Suddenly, the narrative changes...

However, you have to admit Rosberg is cunning. More cunning than Hamilton, actually. And remarkably composed under pressure. He might be slower than Lewis, but not so slow that he can't compensate for his driving deficit with stunts like this.

Rosberg is good, damn good, and Lewis is going to have to bring his absolute A-game if he wants to beat him. I have to admit, Rosberg surprised me; I wasn't expecting this level of resistance. I still think Lewis will take it in the end, but it's now crystal clear that his job won't be easy.
steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#35 ·
stormybadger8 said:What exactly did you see at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway that makes you think there’s something wrong with my quote? 😕

Beyond that, he's actually gaining ground on the guy ahead by pitting earlier, rather than trying to play the waiting game by staying out an extra lap or two.

And?

There is no theory that supports being faster on old tires than on new ones, unless you count the scenario where the guy who exits the pits first gets stuck behind a slower car or runs into some other random issue.

Who exactly was Vergne stuck behind when Alonso blew past him? Later on. When Rosberg finally called it quits to head into the boxing ring, what exactly was the bottleneck? What was the specific hurdle he hit when Lewis pushed him? Later on. Did he push his luck too far by heading to the pits?
Christian Harris11 Christian Harris11 Member
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#36 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Why did they let Rosberg off the hook when he clearly cut the chicane by flooring it instead of following the track?

I honestly feel like the pit wall reacted based on the fact that they weren't teammates, because if they were, I think the call would have been totally different, though even then any penalty seemed a bit much since Hamilton wasn't even right next to him and it turned out later that they both were actually struggling with vision issues.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#37 ·
Looks like things are heating up over at Ilirija—now everyone's just talking nonsense again.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#38 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Let me ask you again—since it looks like you totally missed the 1982 races:
How many laps did Rosberg lead in '82?
And what’s the first thing that pops into your head when I say blue and red?

Jean Maria Belestarie and those Elf mercenaries. They had ten of them, brother against brother. Everyone was planted in top-tier teams and bankrolled by the big boss—no question about it. Rosberg was never under the Elf patronage, and honestly, that's the only reason that noble world champion didn't clinch it before '82.

The truth runs way deeper than just raw numbers, but raw numbers always spit out the exact same result. And that result is Keke Rosberg = world champion

And that is non-negotiable. An absolute fact.

Any other theory about why Rosberg isn't a world champion is just guesswork, alchemy, or pure metaphysics...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#39 ·
steelmaker83 said:Plus, in Formula 1, he’s getting undercut by pitting earlier, not by staying out a lap or two longer.

Oh, really?

There's no logic where you're faster on old tires than new ones, unless the guy who just pitted gets stuck behind a slow car or runs into some other mess.

Who did Vergne get stuck behind when Alonso overcut him by pitting later? And who did Rosberg get stuck behind when Hamilton overcut him by pitting later?

Since when were Vergne and Alonso teammates running the exact same tires and strategy?
And as for Rosberg and Hamilton, when exactly did Hamilton overcut Rosberg, and how?
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#40 ·
Emily Patel64 said:image

What part of this isn't clicking for you?😁

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