2021/2022 School Year

urbantinker8 said:That isn't really true, not even close.
that rule applies to people who are actually infected, rather than those who are just quarantining.

So I guess my only option is to argue with some CDC expert.
Or just tell them kids aren't hanging out anymore and send my son to school anyway.

Susan Martin4 said:So I guess my only option is to argue with some CDC expert.
Or just tell them kids aren't hanging out anymore and send my son to school anyway.

Well, I kind of suspect that even a public health official wouldn't phrase things quite the way she did to you.

So, I just sent an email directly to the epidemiologist over at the local health clinic. Now we wait and see what happens.

@urbantinker8, honestly, you should probably just head over to your doctor and ask for a D-dimer blood test—I mean, those side effects you're feeling aren't exactly nothing, right?

nimbleranger17 said:Honestly, why the blatant fabrication? Look, for heaven's sake, this graph covers the entire pandemic period from the very start: https://i.ibb.co/pRM1zt9/iiii-Untitled.png

It’s perfectly clear if you actually bother to look—at no point in the last eight months has the death toll even touched 60, and we never saw 100 deaths, not even before the vaccinations rolled out. So, I have to ask, why the dishonesty?

Why are you just making things up and peddling these absolute fabrications regarding the death toll in Israel?

And why the outright lies about zero tuberculosis deaths?

Look, I'm asking nicely—just post the image from September 8, 2021.

Is that really too much to ask? 🍿

Let me just circle back for a second here—why on earth did you decide to fabricate those numbers and claim tuberculosis deaths were at zero, when we all know there were over 1.5 million people lost to that disease just last year alone?

And while we're being honest, why would you sit there and lie about Israel having a death toll of a hundred people a day, considering they’ve never seen numbers anywhere near that magnitude, especially not since 65% of the population was vaccinated?

Does it honestly not bother you even the slightest bit, the sheer act of lying like that?

nimbleranger17 said:Honestly, why the blatant fabrication? Look, for heaven's sake, this graph covers the entire pandemic period from the very start: https://i.ibb.co/pRM1zt9/iiii-Untitled.png

It’s perfectly clear if you actually bother to look—at no point in the last eight months has the death toll even touched 60, and we never saw 100 deaths, not even before the vaccinations rolled out. So, I have to ask, why the dishonesty?

Why are you just making things up and peddling these absolute fabrications regarding the death toll in Israel?

And why the outright lies about zero tuberculosis deaths?

Once more, I am asking you nicely: just post the image from September 8, 2021.

Is it really that much to ask? 🍿

jadetinker85 said:Look, I'm asking nicely—just post the image from September 8, 2021.

Is that really too much to ask? 🍿

Honestly, man, are you actually kidding me right now? Are you just straight-up mocking common sense?

On this very graph right here, you can see September 8, 2021, along with every single other date since the pandemic kicked off.

Don't try to pull this nonsense on me by pretending you don't know how to read a basic chart. 🤦🤦🤦🤦

So, this rookie pundit just went full throttle on his latest take, though I can't help but wonder why he’s even bothering to weigh in on the pandemic when he was so certain everything would be back to normal by March

nimbleranger17 said:Honestly, man, are you actually kidding me right now? Are you just straight-up mocking common sense?

On this very graph right here, you can see September 8, 2021, along with every single other date since the pandemic kicked off.

Don't try to pull this nonsense on me by pretending you don't know how to read a basic chart. 🤦🤦🤦🤦

It’s hard to pin down the exact peak on September 8th, but here’s what things looked like by September 11th.

https://ibb.co/Y2kFmHd

And here is the shot from September 13th.

https://ibb.co/HDLG6hc

Also, check out September 8, 2001.

https://ibb.co/m85NRxY

Let’s go over this for the fourth time now, shall we? Why on earth would you insist on fabricating those numbers regarding the hundreds of daily deaths in Israel when it’s nothing more than a complete work of fiction?

jadetinker85 said:Hmm, look at Israel. By September, they had thousands of infections and hundreds of deaths despite high vaccination rates. Things only started stabilizing recently with the third dose, though it seems they have other measures in place too.

How many vaccinated deaths are "acceptable" to me? Not a single one. It's like traveling to a region where malaria is rampant. You get the shot... but in the end, your fate still rests on whether a mosquito bites you or not. So why bother with the vaccine at all?

Israel definitely didn't have hundreds of deaths per day.
Their 7-day rolling average was actually hovering around maybe 25 or 30.

How many vaccinated deaths am I supposed to find acceptable? To me, it's just not okay at all.

Okay.

So, what’s your big suggestion then, since that "isn't acceptable" to you? 🤔

jadetinker85 said:Right. Back to those "brilliant" conclusions again. So, the logic goes: if high vaccination—say 70 or 80%—hits herd immunity, then COVID deaths should be zero, just like polio or TB.

🍿

No. Even with 90% coverage, we wouldn't be looking at 22,291 infections, nor would there be 56 deaths like what happened in Israel back in September 2001.

Okay, so they wouldn't be "supposed" to be whatever number shows up on some cherry-picked date.

And honestly, what are we even supposed to do when the numbers aren't what they "should" be? 🤔

By the way, Israel isn't even close to 90% vaccination, and plenty of European countries blew them out of the water a long time ago.

-Joe

Even though SFOX is out there spinning complete fiction, fabricating daily death tolls in Israel while conveniently ignoring the fact that TBCA claims zero fatalities despite over 1.5 million people dying from it annually, I honestly can't wrap my head around this persistent myth that Israel is some kind of deeply fractured, splintered society😕

If you actually take a moment to look at the hierarchy of the most divided nations on the planet and see where Israel sits on that list, it’s quite telling:

nimbleranger17 said:Let’s go over this for the fourth time now, shall we? Why on earth would you insist on fabricating those numbers regarding the hundreds of daily deaths in Israel when it’s nothing more than a complete work of fiction?

Fine. I clearly assumed that with 11,000 infections, the death toll would be higher... if we’re looking at the ratio we see here in the States. But hey, they probably just have better healthcare, so despite the massive spike in cases, deaths topped out at 56.
But with vaccination rates that high, that shouldn't be happening, right?

By the way, how many vaccinated and recovered people does it actually take to hit herd immunity?

jadetinker85 said:Fine. I clearly assumed that with 11,000 infections, the death toll would be higher... if we’re looking at the ratio we see here in the States. But hey, they probably just have better healthcare, so despite the massive spike in cases, deaths topped out at 56.
But with vaccination rates that high, that shouldn't be happening, right?

By the way, how many vaccinated and recovered people does it actually take to hit herd immunity?

I feel like we haven't quite wrapped our heads around what people actually mean when they say something "shouldn't" happen. What's that supposed to imply, really? 😁

So, how many people actually need to be vaccinated or recovered to hit herd immunity, anyway?

There is no such thing as "anyway." The answer to that depends entirely on how contagious the virus itself is, and man, viruses vary so much from one to the next.
And then there's vaccine efficacy to consider, obviously.

As far as I can tell, reaching herd immunity with COVID seems pretty out of reach for us right now.

-briskjackal5

Just thought I’d give the community and the mods a little look at how soks behaves when he gets caught red-handed in a blatant lie:



Basically, instead of having even an ounce of integrity and just owning up to his mistake, he decides to pull the most shameless move possible—editing his own post to pretend he never said it in the first place. Luckily enough, I managed to quote him before he could scrub the evidence, so you can see the sheer audacity of the deception right here; then, to make matters even more pathetic, he tries to delete the specific parts of the quote where he’s lying, all without offering a single word of apology or showing any actual remorse for being dishonest.

It’s honestly hard to wrap my head around the fact that people like this are even allowed to participate in a forum like this.
I’ve reached a point where I truly feel like there’s nothing left for me to do here if this is the caliber of discourse we're dealing with.

Alex Roberts4 said:COVID targets the old and the high-risk. That's just a fact. Let’s not play pretend here, shall we? Sure, there are outliers—a tiny fraction of exceptions because everyone's body reacts differently—but that's it. Do you suddenly have some inside scoop on this 22-year-old or the 47-year-old on life support? Maybe they weren't in peak physical condition? Maybe there was an underlying issue? Who knows... While everyone else is busy acting like geniuses and debating semantics, absolutely nothing is changing. Total joke. And then you have people like you, pointing out the obvious with lines like, "Well, even vaccinated people can get it, and vaccinated people can die..." Good morning to you, too! It's the same logic for every other disease we vaccinate against, except the odds of getting sick are significantly lower. There’s no such thing as a 100% guarantee, and there never has been. Kisses, and cheers!

And who exactly said it doesn't hit the elderly and high-risk groups?
Who's to say your younger crowd isn't perfectly healthy either?
It's not like the seniors who are passing away are all in peak physical condition, right?
You were claiming that only old people are dying, so I shared some actual data with you.
Or do you think the guy from Brooklyn is lying?

If 20-30% of vaccinated people pass, that's a statistical blip. But if 30% of our seniors don't get vaccinated, that is a massive number.
So, pick a side: is that a lot or is it a little?
What does any of this have to do with children?
And what was even the point of this senseless post? You haven't said anything here that you haven't already repeated fifty times.

Nicholas King said:So, let me get this straight—by refusing to vaccinate your own child, you're basically hoping those unvaccinated adults catch the virus and, if luck would have it, maybe even die?

Honestly, I have no clue what you were trying to accomplish with that sentence structure. It was a total mess.

If your point was that me choosing not to vaccinate my child is some kind of way to speed up the demise of unvaccinated idiots—and that I should feel fine about sticking needles in voodoo dolls of them—then you've got it completely wrong.

The reality is much simpler: I just don't give a damn about them. If some random anti-vax lunatic ends up dying, I’m not going to shed a single tear.

I don't carry any responsibility for their lives, period.

nimbleranger17 said:Just thought I’d give the community and the mods a little look at how soks behaves when he gets caught red-handed in a blatant lie:



Basically, instead of having even an ounce of integrity and just owning up to his mistake, he decides to pull the most shameless move possible—editing his own post to pretend he never said it in the first place. Luckily enough, I managed to quote him before he could scrub the evidence, so you can see the sheer audacity of the deception right here; then, to make matters even more pathetic, he tries to delete the specific parts of the quote where he’s lying, all without offering a single word of apology or showing any actual remorse for being dishonest.

It’s honestly hard to wrap my head around the fact that people like this are even allowed to participate in a forum like this.
I’ve reached a point where I truly feel like there’s nothing left for me to do here if this is the caliber of discourse we're dealing with.

Why are you riding me so hard? I already explained my reasoning above regarding why I thought there would be more deaths alongside 11,000 infections.🤷

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Fine, I was clearly convinced that with 11,000 infections, the death toll should have been higher... if we compare it to our infection-to-death ratio. But they obviously have better healthcare, so despite the high number of new cases, there were only 56 deaths. But with such high vaccination rates, that shouldn't really happen, right?

Go argue with your wife. I don't know what else to tell you. 🤷

jadetinker85 said:Fine. I clearly assumed that with 11,000 infections, the death toll would be higher... if we’re looking at the ratio we see here in the States. But hey, they probably just have better healthcare, so despite the massive spike in cases, deaths topped out at 56.
But with vaccination rates that high, that shouldn't be happening, right?

By the way, how many vaccinated and recovered people does it actually take to hit herd immunity?

Do you honestly not realize that you just completely dug your own grave here? 🤣

So, you fixate on data from Israel and then casually admit you were "convinced" there should have been hundreds of deaths alongside that many infections? By the way—those "hundreds of deaths" you just made up out of thin air aren't just "a bit more," they're nearly ten times higher than what actually happened...

Setting aside the fact that you're hysterically waving around "data" that is really just a byproduct of your own "convictions" and assumptions: did it ever occur to you that the reason they don't have those hundreds of deaths you're so certain about is precisely due to high vaccination rates?

And so, that very same Israel you were using as proof that vaccines are useless ended up biting you right in the ass.