Are homophobes just closeted?

silverscout15 said:I just wish someone could give me a clear explanation of the actual purpose of Pride.. without getting into whether being gay is fine or not!

To put it bluntly... if it weren't for the homophobes, the bigots, the Neanderthals, and the ultra-conservatives out there, Pride wouldn't even exist. The entire purpose of the LGBT community is to signal that they have nothing to be ashamed of and that they deserve the exact same rights as everyone else. And I want to emphasize everyone—we aren't talking about special privileges here, just basic human rights. In some sort of utopia where everything is perfect, Pride wouldn't be necessary because homosexual people would already enjoy full equality. But this isn't a fantasy world; people still have to fight against prejudice. They have to tell the world they aren't ashamed of who they are, and maybe that Pride parade is the one day a year they feel empowered to say it loudly.

Some people ask why heterosexual people don't have a Pride march every single day. The reality is, they basically live it every day without even realizing it. They never had to hide their orientation out of fear of being verbally harassed or physically attacked.

Once homosexual individuals reach true social parity, then every Pride march will become redundant and essentially pointless...

Melissa Castillo4 said:I’m voting for the gay Cultural Arts Society and their plaza programs!

Imagine seeing them out there in traditional outfits, dancing! It would be incredible.

Come on, Dorina, get the guys and girls together and let's get everyone jumping in the square! 👍

I have a dream....

Picture Pride 2008—no police in sight—just two bald, Nazi-looking creeps leading the parade, wearing nothing but underwear, holding tattooed hands, whispering "sweetie" and "honey" to each other while they flirt right there in the middle of the square.

Jonathan Kim4 said:I have a dream....

Picture Pride 2008—no police in sight—just two bald, Nazi-looking creeps leading the parade, wearing nothing but underwear, holding tattooed hands, whispering "sweetie" and "honey" to each other while they flirt right there in the middle of the square.

🤣 🤣 🙏
Just imagine a world... with absolutely zero homophobes...😁

slywolf45 said:🤣 🤣 🙏
Just imagine a world... with absolutely zero homophobes...😁

That might be a bit too much of a utopia for my taste—though honestly, even a little boredom would be fine by me.

The one thing I can’t quite wrap my head around in this whole mess: how is it that the Catholic Church hasn't said a single word about it? Honestly—do they really think they don't need to issue another warning about Sodom and Gomorrah, or have they just decided to declare a total media blackout?

Jonathan Kim4 said:That might be a bit too much of a utopia for my taste—though honestly, even a little boredom would be fine by me.

I wouldn't go that far... unless we're just talking about the homophobe, of course. There are still plenty of other psychological quirks left to dissect—you know, the various phobias and manias out there. That's where the real fun begins!😍

On a completely different note... does anyone else think this grinning emoji looks like some kind of lovestruck idiot? To me, those pink bits flying off the face look more like little hearts... actually, maybe I should just go grab another beer.😉

Jonathan Kim4 said:The one thing I can’t quite wrap my head around in this whole mess: how is it that the Catholic Church hasn't said a single word about it? Honestly—do they really think they don't need to issue another warning about Sodom and Gomorrah, or have they just decided to declare a total media blackout?

I suppose they're all too preoccupied with the pedophilia scandals within their own ranks lately..

slywolf45 said:I wouldn't go that far... unless we're just talking about the homophobe, of course. There are still plenty of other psychological quirks left to dissect—you know, the various phobias and manias out there. That's where the real fun begins!😍

On a completely different note... does anyone else think this grinning emoji looks like some kind of lovestruck idiot? To me, those pink bits flying off the face look more like little hearts... actually, maybe I should just go grab another beer.😉

I was actually thinking the same thing. I really thought you were enjoying my little monologue. Turns out... nope.
😬

Jonathan Kim4 said:I was actually thinking the same thing. I really thought you were enjoying my little monologue. Turns out... nope.
😬

🤣 🤣 🤣

Of course I liked it... and for the record, it had absolutely nothing to do with beer!!!🤣(So, does that mean I'm not being lonely regarding that smiley face? Or did I completely misread the room?😉 )

ON Topic: Have you actually stated your true opinion on this matter yet? Maybe I skimmed over it or missed a beat while reading... but come on, go ahead, run it by me one more time (feel free to just copy and paste😉)

slywolf45 said:🤣 🤣 🤣

Of course I liked it... and for the record, it had absolutely nothing to do with beer!!!🤣(So, does that mean I'm not being lonely regarding that smiley face? Or did I completely misread the room?😉 )

ON Topic: Have you actually stated your true opinion on this matter yet? Maybe I skimmed over it or missed a beat while reading... but come on, go ahead, run it by me one more time (feel free to just copy and paste😉)

Yeah, I also thought that was some kind of love emoji.

My take: I'm not gay, and I'm certainly not a homophobe. When a gay person talks to me, I don't feel the need to go scrub myself raw with a steel toilet brush to get the "vibe" off, nor am I preoccupied with their sexual orientation mid-conversation. I don't view them as being particularly "oppressed"—they sit on the same level for me as ethnic minorities, people with disabilities, or veterans dealing with PTSD.

While they are certainly denied certain rights, in my opinion—forgive the bluntness—it feels a bit performative when they march through a downtown plaza just to solicit sympathy from the rest of "cool and urban" America.

And no, I don't think my rugged charm could convert two lesbians. That’s just how it is.

Jonathan Kim4 said:Yeah, I also thought that was some kind of love emoji.

My take: I'm not gay, and I'm certainly not a homophobe. When a gay person talks to me, I don't feel the need to go scrub myself raw with a steel toilet brush to get the "vibe" off, nor am I preoccupied with their sexual orientation mid-conversation. I don't view them as being particularly "oppressed"—they sit on the same level for me as ethnic minorities, people with disabilities, or veterans dealing with PTSD.

While they are certainly denied certain rights, in my opinion—forgive the bluntness—it feels a bit performative when they march through a downtown plaza just to solicit sympathy from the rest of "cool and urban" America.

And no, I don't think my rugged charm could convert two lesbians. That’s just how it is.

Hmm... "smiley thinker"... I can't be bothered to look up the exact term...
Alright, let's get into it. Technically, I'm bi.
What does that actually mean? You might wonder (or maybe you won't, but I'm going to explain anyway :P)
It means that, in rare instances, men can still physically arouse me, even though emotionally, it’s always women. I’m currently in a relationship with a woman (and before this, I was with a woman for four years). Why am I bringing this up? Simply to clarify that I’m not speaking from a place of theory or imagination; I’m right in the thick of this "issue," so to speak.
I didn't attend the Pride parade today, nor have I ever attended one. It isn't because I find Pride lame, but rather because I live in a small, judgmental community where being recognized could lead to some very REAL problems.

But the goal of Pride isn't really about triggering empathy... it's more about stating facts. It's saying, "Here we are, we are human beings!"
No one in the LGBT community actually thinks a parade is going to suddenly win over classic homophobes, people struggling with PTSD, or similar groups. Instead, it serves as a message to future generations who might be sitting there feeling lost—telling them that being gay, lesbian, trans, or whatever else is perfectly fine. It's a way of saying they aren't alone, it isn't a disease, and they shouldn't have to feel ashamed or like second-class citizens.

That is the ultimate purpose of Pride. My generation likely won't see that shift, but if we work at it, perhaps the next one will.

slywolf45 said:Hmm... "smiley thinker"... I can't be bothered to look up the exact term...
Alright, let's get into it. Technically, I'm bi.
What does that actually mean? You might wonder (or maybe you won't, but I'm going to explain anyway :P)
It means that, in rare instances, men can still physically arouse me, even though emotionally, it’s always women. I’m currently in a relationship with a woman (and before this, I was with a woman for four years). Why am I bringing this up? Simply to clarify that I’m not speaking from a place of theory or imagination; I’m right in the thick of this "issue," so to speak.
I didn't attend the Pride parade today, nor have I ever attended one. It isn't because I find Pride lame, but rather because I live in a small, judgmental community where being recognized could lead to some very REAL problems.

But the goal of Pride isn't really about triggering empathy... it's more about stating facts. It's saying, "Here we are, we are human beings!"
No one in the LGBT community actually thinks a parade is going to suddenly win over classic homophobes, people struggling with PTSD, or similar groups. Instead, it serves as a message to future generations who might be sitting there feeling lost—telling them that being gay, lesbian, trans, or whatever else is perfectly fine. It's a way of saying they aren't alone, it isn't a disease, and they shouldn't have to feel ashamed or like second-class citizens.

That is the ultimate purpose of Pride. My generation likely won't see that shift, but if we work at it, perhaps the next one will.

It's funny how much you can deduce from an avatar...

The breakdown: my avatar features Skin, the lead singer of Skunk Anansie—she's a prominent activist among famous Britons, and she's a lesbian.
Back when I was a teenager, her confidence and attitude absolutely crushed me, even though she was gay.

Regarding everything mentioned above, "coexistence" is possible—and it's vital. I'm not saying everyone has to understand why guys date guys or women love women, but they do have to accept it. Simply put, they need to realize they can't use a hammer or a shovel to "beat the gayness out of someone," and that by stigmatizing it, they're only making things worse. Not necessarily worse for the gay population itself, but for the generations coming up behind us.

And personally, I think gay marriage should be legalized, purely from a property and legal standpoint. It's totally lame that two guys or two girls can live together their entire lives, building a home and a life together, only for one to pass away and have everything snatched by some distant relative who beat them senseless a few years ago, simply because their partner has zero rights to, I should emphasize, their shared estate.

That's all from me for tonight. Over and out. I'm heading out now, and I'm challenging all the homophobes, the straight folks, and—fingers crossed—the gay community to a rendezvous at the same spot around 2:00 PM tomorrow.

@slywolf45: hang in there, I believe there's a time coming when things will be "over the rainbow" friendly.👍

slywolf45 said:True, I agree... though we’re really drifting into deep psychoanalysis now regarding how men and women perceive sex, emotions, and everything else.
It’s almost as if men operate under the assumption that two women can't achieve true emotional depth or sexual satisfaction without a man present. So, when they hear about two women being together, they mentally frame it as some sort of provocative prelude designed specifically for his benefit. In their minds, there’s an expected crescendo where he makes a monumental entrance to lead them both toward ecstasy...🤣

Once he realizes he isn't wanted and faces rejection, violence often follows, much like what happens in cases involving gay men.

Jonathan Kim4 said:It's funny how much you can deduce from an avatar...

The breakdown: my avatar features Skin, the lead singer of Skunk Anansie—she's a prominent activist among famous Britons, and she's a lesbian.
Back when I was a teenager, her confidence and attitude absolutely crushed me, even though she was gay.

Regarding everything mentioned above, "coexistence" is possible—and it's vital. I'm not saying everyone has to understand why guys date guys or women love women, but they do have to accept it. Simply put, they need to realize they can't use a hammer or a shovel to "beat the gayness out of someone," and that by stigmatizing it, they're only making things worse. Not necessarily worse for the gay population itself, but for the generations coming up behind us.

And personally, I think gay marriage should be legalized, purely from a property and legal standpoint. It's totally lame that two guys or two girls can live together their entire lives, building a home and a life together, only for one to pass away and have everything snatched by some distant relative who beat them senseless a few years ago, simply because their partner has zero rights to, I should emphasize, their shared estate.

That's all from me for tonight. Over and out. I'm heading out now, and I'm challenging all the homophobes, the straight folks, and—fingers crossed—the gay community to a rendezvous at the same spot around 2:00 PM tomorrow.

@slywolf45: hang in there, I believe there's a time coming when things will be "over the rainbow" friendly.👍

Bravo! You haven't managed to impress me until now, but you finally did. Not many people actually recognize who is on my avatar! Respect!👍 🙏

But... look, I didn't choose her for my avatar specifically because she's a lesbian. Honestly, I outgrew that whole rebellious phase of self-expression (you know, the whole "punk's not dead" aesthetic via avatars) a long time ago.
I picked this avatar because her expression—and her general posture—reminds me of the "freak out" attitude I tend to maintain regarding society and the world at large. This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand. GENERALIZED!

You’re right about everything you said; that’s essentially the core mission of the LGBTQ+ community. But how are they going to grab public attention if we don't talk about it, or if we don't push the issue at least once a year? Anyway... I won't drone on about Pride anymore. I think I've made my point.

Have a great time out, STrashn.😘

It’s purely an intellectual argument: there is this calculated attempt to bake the idea into our collective consciousness that personality disorders are actually "normal." They're trying to achieve this by pushing for the acceptance of people with disordered or underdeveloped gender identities—basically using what they call a "milder" diagnosis as a way to bridge the gap after homosexuality was stripped from the DSM-IV...

Look, I’ve had nothing but bad experiences with the Department of Social Services. Their whole mindset is broken—they act like every adult hetero male is some kind of domestic abuser waiting to happen. It's ridiculous. The reality is that the actual abusers in close relationships are exclusively, period, people living with Borderline Personality Disorder...!!

Screw you all—you're nothing but tools being used by feminists...!!!!

slywolf45 said:Bravo! You haven't managed to impress me until now, but you finally did. Not many people actually recognize who is on my avatar! Respect!👍 🙏

But... look, I didn't choose her for my avatar specifically because she's a lesbian. Honestly, I outgrew that whole rebellious phase of self-expression (you know, the whole "punk's not dead" aesthetic via avatars) a long time ago.
I picked this avatar because her expression—and her general posture—reminds me of the "freak out" attitude I tend to maintain regarding society and the world at large. This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand. GENERALIZED!

You’re right about everything you said; that’s essentially the core mission of the LGBTQ+ community. But how are they going to grab public attention if we don't talk about it, or if we don't push the issue at least once a year? Anyway... I won't drone on about Pride anymore. I think I've made my point.

Have a great time out, STrashn.😘

I should probably mention that I recognized the skin on your avatar as well.😁

And I wanted to ask you: why do gay people feel such a strong need to remind everyone of their sexual orientation and "gain public attention"?

It is almost as if they are searching for some kind of validation, because perhaps they aren't entirely sure of their own path...😕

James Allen6 said:I should probably mention that I recognized the skin on your avatar as well.😁

And I wanted to ask you: why do gay people feel such a strong need to remind everyone of their sexual orientation and "gain public attention"?

It is almost as if they are searching for some kind of validation, because perhaps they aren't entirely sure of their own path...😕

Way to go!😁

Do me a favor and actually read through my previous posts on the site first... I really don't feel like repeating myself (or playing a game of copy-paste here).

ambertinker51 said:It’s purely an intellectual argument: there is this calculated attempt to bake the idea into our collective consciousness that personality disorders are actually "normal." They're trying to achieve this by pushing for the acceptance of people with disordered or underdeveloped gender identities—basically using what they call a "milder" diagnosis as a way to bridge the gap after homosexuality was stripped from the DSM-IV...

Look, I’ve had nothing but bad experiences with the Department of Social Services. Their whole mindset is broken—they act like every adult hetero male is some kind of domestic abuser waiting to happen. It's ridiculous. The reality is that the actual abusers in close relationships are exclusively, period, people living with Borderline Personality Disorder...!!

Screw you all—you're nothing but tools being used by feminists...!!!!

the reason is intellectual?

That bolded section is the quintessential example of a self-proclaimed American intellectual... and I rest my case.👎

Look, pervert, try answering with actual arguments instead of just attacks. Even the main premise of this thread is just a classic collective *argumentum ad hominem*. It’s nothing more than one of those typical homophobe clichés.

ambertinker51 said:Look, pervert, try answering with actual arguments instead of just attacks. Even the main premise of this thread is just a classic collective *argumentum ad hominem*. It’s nothing more than one of those typical homophobe clichés.

First off: I didn't start this thread.
Second: I'm not a man.
Third: Don't go thinking that dropping Latin phrases suddenly makes you some sort of intellectual. Real intellect is earned through actual substance—things like genuine comprehension, open-mindedness, respect for civil liberties, and a healthy liberal outlook.