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Bad Boys - Part IV

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Morgan Scott82 Morgan Scott82 Member
25 messages
joined Sep 2013
#2781 ·
Isn't it actually a legal obligation for all major league clubs to undergo a restructuring? Okay, look—even if it isn't strictly required by law, if you're inheriting a mountain of debt, massive deficits, unpaid taxes, and just a general mess of financial disasters, then restructuring becomes the easiest—maybe even the only—way out. It’s exactly what a team like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers would have to do in that situation. Now, if you're stepping into a situation with totally clean books, sure, maybe there’s no real need for it, but wouldn't it be incredibly unfair to the league if one set of rules applied to you while everyone else had to play by different ones? And honestly, we always end up circling back to that moment of total systemic breakdown.

And as for people saying I'm just rambling or lost in my own head—that's exactly why I'm asking you guys! Since some of you clearly know the ins and outs much better than I do, please, help me make sense of this whole thing.🙂
Jack Johnson6 Jack Johnson6 Member
31 messages
joined Nov 2015
#2782 ·
Morgan Scott82 said:Isn't it a legal obligation for all major league teams to convert into corporations? Even if it isn't, if you inherit a mountain of debt, unpaid taxes, and pure garbage, then restructuring is probably the easiest—maybe even the only—way out. It’s what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers would have to do in a similar spot. If you inherit clean books, sure, maybe there's no need for it. But it might be considered unfair competition if one set of rules applies to you while everyone else plays by different ones... which just brings us back to that moment of total chaos.

As for me wandering aimlessly through these thoughts, I'm asking those of you more informed than I am to help clear things up. 🙂

A club could technically function as a non-profit organization—hopefully a democratic one—while its commercial activities are taxed and regulated just like any other business entity. That way, there wouldn't be any issues with unfair competition.
Morgan Scott82 Morgan Scott82 Member
25 messages
joined Sep 2013
#2783 ·
What kind of impact would this actually have on transfers—basically, the bottom line? Like, would you still be on the hook for taxes if you stay organized as a non-profit association? It feels to me like the laws governing non-profits weren't exactly designed for football clubs running with $20 million budgets—I mean, it’s pretty unrealistic to expect an operation that size to function as a non-profit...

So, does adopting the German model mean you don't have to undergo a full conversion? I'm a little fuzzy on that part—I get that you'll adopt a new set of bylaws, but the German style implies having members who act as shareholders... What does that mean for the relationship between the members and the club's assets (since it's an association)? It doesn't seem simple to just pivot your current setup into that German structure, especially if there's any debt involved. If you guys inherit clean books, then I guess it'll be a much smoother ride.
Laura Mitchell87 Laura Mitchell87 Newcomer
1 message
joined Oct 2013
#2784 ·
Morgan Scott82 said:Isn't it a legal obligation for all major league clubs to restructure? Look, if it isn't, then inheriting a mountain of debt, unpaid taxes, and pure garbage makes restructuring the easiest—maybe even the only—way out, kind of like what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers deal with. If you inherit clean books, sure, maybe there's no need, but it’d be pretty sketchy for the league if one set of rules applies to you while everyone else plays by a different book... which just leads back to total chaos.

As for me wandering around in my own head, that's why I'm asking you guys who actually know their stuff to clear things up for me. 🙂

It's not a legal obligation. You've got tons of clubs owned mostly by civic associations but with other shareholders too. It's super common over in Germany.
Jack Johnson6 Jack Johnson6 Member
31 messages
joined Nov 2015
#2785 ·
Morgan Scott82 said:What kind of impact would that actually have on transfers or revenue? Would they even have to pay taxes if they remained a non-profit association? I suspect the laws governing non-profits weren't exactly designed for football clubs running 20 million dollar budgets. It's a stretch to expect them to operate as non-profits at that scale...

I'm not entirely sure how the statutes work here in the States, but in Germany, they pay taxes on transfers and other income regardless. It doesn't matter if you're a pure community association or if you have a professional wing set up as a corporation with the parent club holding a majority stake.
John Patel76 John Patel76 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Dec 2010
#2786 ·
What do you guys think the turnout is gonna be for the Bad Boys vs. the volunteers?
Adam Jackson86 Adam Jackson86 Member
26 messages
joined Jun 2012
#2787 ·
John Patel76 said:What do you guys think, how many Bad Boys will show up against the volunteers?

Enough.😁
Jonathan Anderson11 Jonathan Anderson11 Active Member
89 messages
joined Oct 2013
#2788 ·
ajdeemi said:just a whole bunch of the toughest hooligans from some tiny town in the Midwest

So why aren't they just taking the Amtrak? Word on the street is everyone's riding without a ticket... 🤷
Dana Richardson89 Dana Richardson89 Member
49 messages
joined Apr 2012
#2789 ·
Jonathan Anderson11 said:What, they aren't taking the train? Word is everyone's riding without a ticket... 🤷

The Sunday train doesn't even roll out until 3:00 PM, so I guess that's too late for them.☕
Jonathan Anderson11 Jonathan Anderson11 Active Member
89 messages
joined Oct 2013
#2790 ·
Dana Richardson89 said:the train leaves at 3:00 PM on Sunday, so that’s probably way too late for them ☕

they'll just catch those early morning ones and spend the whole time killing time at an Applebee's with a bottle of cider 😉
Jonathan Anderson11 Jonathan Anderson11 Active Member
89 messages
joined Oct 2013
#2791 ·
ajdeemi said:The whole plan with the train is totally falling apart. Adriatico basically organized two separate buses just so they wouldn't look bad in front of the Greeks.

I'm not really sure about the specifics, but I heard Ivko totally shut them down, and now Matija is still on the fence about what to do...
but hey, not everything is meant for the forum, right? Either way, it’s gonna be a wild ride to watch.
Robert Adams6 Robert Adams6 Active Member
94 messages
joined Sep 2011
#2792 ·
Can someone please clear out this nonsense above? 🤷

Nathan Foster23 said:Sunday, 3:00 PM. Everyone heads East. Is there anything more predictable than this? We prepare, we gather, and we march toward the same inevitable destination. It’s practically ritualistic at this point. The atmosphere is building, as it always does. There’s a certain weight to these matchdays, a sense of obligation that transcends simple fandom. We aren't just going to watch a game; we are fulfilling a commitment to the colors. Does anyone actually question the routine anymore? Probably not. Why would they? It works. We’ll meet up, grab a drink, and make our way toward the stadium. The energy will be there, the tension will be palpable, and the expectations—as usual—will be sky-high. Whether we’re celebrating a victory or nursing a loss, the ritual remains unchanged. See you out there. Don't be late.

It’s supposed to be sunny and warm tomorrow. Just a word of advice: don't show up wearing a shirt that screams "I support Mamić," unless you actually want to spend your afternoon being denied entry. Don't come complaining to me when you get turned away at the gates. 😉
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Sam Sullivan58 said:If you ask me, the cracks are starting to show. Back in 2004, during that match against Beveren at Yankee Stadium—the one where they banned everyone from the north stands unless they held a ticket for the San Diego game—I’m pretty sure that was just one week prior. That was the moment people started harassing others from the stands, and even today, some folks still love to reminisce about that match with a certain twisted nostalgia. To me, that marked the true beginning of all the fan hooliganism, even if the chaos we see later on is a completely different breed of mess. Reading through the last few pages of this forum, it’s clear the gatekeeping hasn't stopped; people are still trying to tell others they aren't welcome at Yankee Stadium. It’s an old pattern that always bites us in the ass, and frankly, it will continue to do so. In Chicago, there will always be those who want to pick fights over who the "real" fans are and who gets to claim the territory. Instead of making Yankee Stadium a place open to everyone, there's always this constant, petty scrutiny over who belongs and who doesn't.

When it comes to Mamić, the first red flags popped up back in 2005 during that absolute circus of a playoff season. If you want to get technical, the real downward spiral started after those deceptive influences from outside the league took hold following the Ajax era. Everything after that is just history repeating itself. To be fair, there were people sounding the alarm about Mamić more than thirteen years ago, but did anyone actually listen? Not a soul. It’s almost pathetic.

Beveren 2004. That was easily one of the most idiotic moves the Bad Boys have ever pulled. Seriously, how does that even happen?
Before the European fixtures kicked off, we had two home games in the league against Portland and San Diego. Fans were showing up to Yankee Stadium waving signs, calling it the "Welcome to the Blue Hell."
So, basically, if you weren't holding a ticket from one of those two MLS matches, you didn't stand a chance of getting into the south stands against Beveren. Simple as that.
There was a whole choreography planned for it. Then, well, things just went sideways. 🙄
So, instead of a packed house, we had maybe 2,500 people chilling on the lower level and north of 3,000 up in the upper deck. Is that really the turnout we're looking at?🙄

It seemed like a brilliant strategic move at the time, didn't it? In hindsight, it was nothing short of idiotic. It’s that same old, tired struggle against the local derby fanatics.
Back in 2005, they set up that whole display at the stadium with that specific message: "To us, it’s a lifelong sanctuary; to some, it’s just a derby."
That derby was absolutely mental. 😁 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbpxvsyGEmo 🙏

Morgan Scott82 said:There is one thing I’m genuinely curious about, but if you think the question is too provocative, then don't answer it—just delete it, or someone can hit me up via PM if they feel like it.

So, what was the exact moment when you could still "feel" Dinamo? In other words, at what point did Dinamo cease to be Dinamo in your eyes?
....

August 19, 2007. An away game in a mid-sized American city.
It might seem strange to some, but for me, that was definitely the turning point—the first time we wore those orange kits.🤮
Since there wasn't any backlash over it, Diadora later rolled out an even more hideous gold version for away matches.🙄
They pushed the away kits hard just to drive sales, which is why we ended up playing in orange at places like San Diego🙄 or even in Amsterdam back in 2009 wearing gold, despite being perfectly fine to wear blue since Ajax wears white and red.

The real shift for the hardcore supporters happened in the summer of 2008, when Hrgovic arrived—the guy who sang that "foreign name" chant with you all.
That's when the Bad Boys started targeting the players first, and by September, they were publicly demanding the entire front office resign. Later on, they even gathered 18,000 signatures to force ZM out of Dinamo because the club's reputation had completely tanked.

...Add in a mountain of other nonsense, throw in the unprecedented, long-term dominance of Dinamo over the rest of the league, and a pathetic stadium, and what do you get? A club that people are actually running away from because they've grown to loathe it.
Jonathan Anderson11 Jonathan Anderson11 Active Member
89 messages
joined Oct 2013
#2793 ·
Robert Adams6 said:It’s supposed to be sunny and warm tomorrow, but seriously, don't show up wearing those "Mamić" shirts unless you want to get turned away at the gate.

Oh man, wouldn't that be great? Maybe if we all just showed up dressed like priests, they might actually let us in, right? 🙄
Instead of everyone showing up in those tacky shirts, imagine if some guys showed up looking like they just rolled straight out of a senior citizens' center... honestly, I can't even... I'd rather just talk about those old-school hooligans from back in the day before I lose my cool entirely.
cosmicridge6 cosmicridge6 Active Member
113 messages
joined Oct 2012
#2794 ·
Everything seems fine right now and things are looking up, but we're only at the beginning... what happens when the police start getting more radical with their tactics? What if a group of mercenaries decides to call themselves the Bad Boys and goes after people from rival fan groups? It’s a good start, but this is just the kickoff, and they’re only going to escalate. We have to be smart about this and, if necessary, swallow some bitter pills, because one tiny mistake could ruin everything we've gained.
Laura Mitchell87 Laura Mitchell87 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2013
#2795 ·
cosmicridge6 said:Everything looks great right now, but we’re just getting started. Once the cops start bringing out the heavy artillery, things change. What if some hired thugs call themselves the Black and Gold Army and jump some guys from the Black and Gold Faithful... or vice versa? It’s a good start, but this is just the beginning. They’ll push harder, so we gotta be smart. Sometimes you have to swallow a bitter pill because one tiny mistake could wreck everything.

It’s good that both the Black and Gold Faithful and the Black and Gold Army have solid hierarchies right now. Even if things pop off, the leaders can settle it amongst themselves. You know who handles the beef. Honestly, even an idiot knows this cooperation is non-negotiable.

I wouldn't be surprised if some mob boss tries to hire muscle, but people would find out fast. Neither Washington, D.C. nor Miami are like New York City or Los Angeles where you can hide what happened for ten minutes. People will know who hit who and why almost immediately...

Even if this truce eventually ends, let's hope we win against the organized crime element. We can't forget that none of this would be possible if someone hadn't lost their life in the past. We need to remember that the American scene isn't like the scenes in Greece, Italy, or England. We deal with our own specific issues that force us to unite every once in a while. We need strict rules and fair play established for the long haul.
slysailor52 slysailor52 Member
48 messages
joined Dec 2013
#2796 ·
THE LAKERS ARE DEFENDING THE HOME COURT!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Vb1XsplUg

EVERYONE GET TO YANKEE STADIUM!!!!

EVERYONE HEAD TO THE EAST STANDS!!!!


UNTIL THE VERY LAST MAN STANDS!!!!
neonraven112 neonraven112 Active Member
151 messages
joined Oct 2013
#2797 ·
Maybe all this recent talk about us finally coming together is actually the start of some real, positive change in the country. This isn't just about taking down one single guy—it’s way bigger than that. Everyone needs to get on board.
Terry Miller6 Terry Miller6 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Mar 2011
#2798 ·
Greetings!

Is there anyone from the Warsaw area or the surrounding suburbs planning to attend tomorrow's game who might have an extra seat available?
Henry Grant51 Henry Grant51 NewcomerOP
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joined Mar 2014
#2799 ·
Terry Miller6 said:Hey there!

Is anyone from the Warsaw area or nearby heading to the game tomorrow? I might have an extra spot available if someone needs a ride.

Check your PMs.
wanderingfox86 wanderingfox86 Member
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joined Jan 2024
#2800 ·
Jonathan Anderson11 said:Oh, great—I guess we should all just dress up like priests then, maybe that’ll finally get us through the gates. 🙄
Instead of everyone showing up together wearing the same shirts—since apparently some people would rather spend their energy scouting out the local senior citizens' association... honestly... good grief. It’s probably better if we just stick to talking about those Popovača hooligans instead; I'd rather not get my blood pressure up over this nonsense.

Robert Adams6 said:It’s supposed to be sunny and warm tomorrow—perfect weather—but just a word of advice: please don't show up wearing one of those tacky "Mamić style" shirts. If you do, don't act surprised when security denies you entry. 😉

Back in 2009—during those championship years—they opted for the gold kits. Honestly, they could have easily pulled off the blue ones too, especially since Ajax wears those white and red colors.


It is a classic example of how opinions always seem to clash within the stands—ranging from the most critical strategic decisions down to the smallest, most trivial details. We constantly find ourselves debating whether we should charge ahead without compromise, headfirst against the wall, which is exactly what has made this group so proud throughout our history; or if we should play it smart and exercise patience for the sake of a better future for both us and the Lakers. I am certainly not saying that any one of you is wrong, but rather, it is just... well, it's how things go. In any large group of people, opposing viewpoints must be respected, because everyone carries their own unique perspective, their own way of looking at things, and their own logic.

So, about the kits—honestly, even though I don't particularly care right now, there's always this nagging feeling that bothers me whenever we aren't wearing our classic blue home colors during away matches or European fixtures when the opportunity arises. These current ones feel far too much like they're leaning into a black aesthetic, and I have a sinking feeling they’ll come up with some other "facepalm" moment once they decide on an orange kit. Does anyone happen to know if, looking back through the history from 1945 up until 2005, we ever actually used an away kit in a color other than white?

See you out east today.

Election season is finally upon us! 🙂

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