Bad Boys - Part IV

Brandon Anderson34 said:The money hit the account ☕ and man, that's a bitter pill to swallow...

Because honestly, this whole thing has become absurd. Once the group and the entire supporter scene started cranking up the pressure, and once that piece of trash felt the public heat starting to hang dangerously over his head, he decided to step up too... and how? Beautifully. For the first time, he pulled all his strings and "activated" the one thing we are completely helpless against IN THIS COUNTRY. The courts. The justice system. The very same system he’s often grabbing coffee with—you know, those photos of him hanging out with people from federal prison or chilling with Turudica...

Looking at the scale of Sunday's arrests, it is crystal clear: they were just waiting for some massive clash between the two sides so they could swoop in and arrest the entire stands. That would have been the "arrest of the millennium," and they already had the PR machine ready to go, framing it as a crusade against "dangerous hooligans"—a narrative the public would totally swallow because that's exactly how it would be presented to them. But now we get to THIS new twist in the war against fans. The judiciary. They were waiting for us like sheep to the slaughter, and just like how everyone else got screwed, about 50 of these guys are being slapped with 30-day detentions. Anyone with half a brain knows what that means for an individual's life and their future in the real world. That was the plan: wipe out the entire group this way, if not entirely.

In this country today, a 30-day detention is reserved for people like Sanader, Vidosevic, and apparently, certain fan groups. Everyone else gets released immediately or pretty damn fast.

And there was something else crucial here: the big boss was terrified of three derbies happening in such short succession—the fans uniting, the public outcry... even he was scared of that. So, how do you solve it? Simple. You hit them with a 30-day detention that covers the entire period of all three matches.

This has become too much of a fight for the BBB, but also for fans in general. Because in a country where you can kill, steal, or bring the entire nation to its knees and walk away with a joke of a sentence, yet a fan isn't allowed to exist because they dare to voice their opinions loudly and publicly—making them the ultimate criminal—well, it's just a bitter disappointment. I’m almost looking forward to it (even if it’s self-destructive thinking) when all the other social groups start craving public demonstrations against this state of affairs. AND THEN THEY WILL ALL DESPERATELY LOOK TO THE FANS FOR HELP. But the fans won't be there. Because while this massacre was being carried out against us, not a single pillar of society, not one association, not a single soul gave a damn. Well, folks, when you're up to your neck in it, when you're watching your kids starve and you suddenly feel the urge to play the rebel, then you strike and demonstrate ON YOUR OWN AND WITHOUT THE FANS!!!!!!!!!

AMEN!!!

mistygull said:Everything checks out—it’s that alleyway just past the intersection near Bauer and the Vlach area. Over by where Joe Smith is, maybe the second or third courtyard. There were about 20 people on the ground, plus some gear being hauled away...
I walked right through that turtle mess myself. Not gonna lie, it wasn't pretty.
Based on experience, I knew things would get even uglier if I crossed near the police line, so I just kept moving, even though I figured I'd end up stuck in that same alley....

Think there were fewer than 20 of us, but if that’s the spot you're describing, then yeah, damn. They grabbed this guy, probably in his 50s or 60s, and forced him down on the ground while filming, even though he was fighting back. Probably looking for a beating, honestly (didn't see it happen, just saw them forcing him down). Nobody's reporting on it, either. All the headlines are talking about the riots, but they're staying quiet about this specific repression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBPMT_GgYlw

What's the deadline for sending in bail money for the crew in holding?

You can technically deposit into that account, but it’s strictly reserved for the "Northside Absence" fund—and unfortunately, that fund always seems to be running on empty.

Robert Cooper60 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBPMT_GgYlw

November 31st, of what year exactly? 🤷

Igor Peternel

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Amra’s out here stirring the pot with some fans, so I figured I’d jump in and respond to all those threats and insults... honestly, I’m sending everyone a little divine blessing—it is the holiday season, after all! But seriously... when people start screaming, "The Federation is trash, you ruined football"... what exactly do they think is ruined? America is this tiny, annoying little country that somehow made it to the World Cup AGAIN while way bigger nations are stuck watching from home AGAIN. We’ve got two clubs playing in the Europa League, and even though we were pretty pathetic the last couple of years, we still played in the Champions League... our players are killing it at Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Sevilla FC... even the domestic league is smaller now and actually interesting—that derby on Sunday was top-tier quality...!! So, what’s "ruined"? Please. Football is the least broken thing in this absolutely messed-up country...

🤣 😂 🤦

And the absolute best comment:

Dragutin Heigl, man, this is just embarrassing, Igor... don't act like you're some saint here. I mean, look at the league—it’s basically just Dinamo Chicago and Lokomotiva running the show together. It's pathetic. And honestly? That whole scene at the gate near the North Stand was a joke. After being treated like literal cattle by security—I'm talking about them frisking both me and my six-year-old kid—some random security guard in black with a clipboard actually thinks he has the authority to ID me. He's a security guard, not a cop! I really hope you don't get treated like that when you're heading into the luxury boxes... Then there's the third disgrace: the constant fire sale of Dinamo Chicago's talent. If you actually sat down and wrote a list of every player we've sold over the last eight years, you wouldn't have a roster—you'd have a European super-team. Instead, we're stuck with a squad that's basically a punching bag in UEFA competitions. Look, I get it, clubs have to sell players to survive, but the problem is we gut our best talent every single season. You can't build a powerhouse in Europe if you're constantly selling off five national team starters from your starting XI... Fourth thing—the stands. They are empty. Dead. I've been going to matches since I was eleven years old... I'm twenty-three now, and I didn't start showing up because my wife works at the club. It was never like this. It's eerie how empty it is. The Bad Boys never filled the stadium on their own anyway; it was always the local city folks who showed up to pack the stands. Now? We've got neither group. Neither. Fifth embarrassment is that the soul of this historic club has just vanished. Kids don't come to Dinamo Chicago anymore to celebrate their favorite team—they come because they know they'll be shipped out to a bigger club as fast as possible. Look, I knew you way before all this club stuff, and I think the whole family is great. I really hope we can hang out and ring in the New Year together... catch you later, neighbor... give my best to everyone.
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The fight isn't over until the last damn parasite and bottom-feeder stops sitting in the stands, not just at the stadium.

hahaha what an absolute moron. And then—get this—he actually replies to that comment from Dragutin Heigl saying: "I disagree!" Like, seriously? What a complete idiot.

Things are heating up behind the scenes...

It’s all happening behind closed doors, and honestly, let’s not be naive here. You really think this corrupt judicial system in America is ever going to rule in favor of the little guy? Please. Everyone knows Turudić runs the show in the courts, and we all know whose interests he’s actually serving when he's pulling the strings in these legal battles. People are already whispering that the indictment against Sanader was basically written to fall apart once it hits the Supreme Court. And yet, you people still cling to this hope that our justice system actually works? Give me a break. If we want any real help, we should just look toward international authorities outside our borders.

Could someone who knows a bit more about this than I do explain the actual difference between using a voucher for away games versus just buying a ticket directly with an ID at the gate? In both scenarios, you're providing your info and getting the tickets through the host club—though I’m not exactly a fan of doing things via DM, just to be clear—😉 Also, have we always used these same vouchers for international matches? If my memory serves me right, we have. Thanks!
I really hope we finally see some movement regarding the Lokomotiva/Dinamo situation—it’s just one example of how many times the rules are being bent around here...

Election season! 🙂

wanderingfox86 said:Can someone more 'in the loop' than me explain the difference between using vouchers for away games versus just buying a ticket directly with an ID? In both cases, you provide your info and get the tickets through the home club (feel free to DM me; I'm not looking for a fight, let's just clear this up)😉 Also, have we always used these same vouchers for international matches? If my memory serves me right, we have. Thanks!
I'm hoping we finally see some movement regarding Lokomotiva/Dinamo Chicago, which is just one of many instances where laws are being ignored...

Elections! 🙂

The difference is massive, but I can't get into it right now.

wanderingfox86 said:Can someone who actually knows more than I do explain the difference between grabbing a voucher for away games versus just buying a ticket directly with an ID? In both cases, you’re handing over your info and getting the tickets through the host club (you can hit me up in DMs too; I’m not a narc, let’s be clear)😉 And have we always used these same vouchers for international matches? Because if my memory serves me right, we have. Thanks!
Hopefully, they finally get some movement regarding Lokomotiva/Dinamo Chicago—just one of the endless ways they bend the law...

Elections! 🙂

Look, the vouchers themselves aren't the issue here—it's the fact that for 5 or 6 years, maybe even longer, we’ve been using vouchers for every single international away trip, so everyone's basically already on some kind of radar. They're tracked in a dozen different ways. The real problem with these "American" style vouchers is the question of who in the clubs is approving them and what their criteria are—because honestly, they work exactly like those lists at the gates of Maksimir Stadium: they're designed to block anyone who dares to oppose the board. Right now, they're the biggest headache for Dinamo Chicago fans, but tomorrow it could happen to any group that decides to call out the management. It's the same crap that could happen to the National Team soon. Abroad, vouchers are just a way to help fans secure tickets for away games, where the only reason you'd get denied is if you have a legal ban from attending matches. Here? It's just a blacklist for people they don't like.

Henry Hayes4 said:The vouchers themselves aren't the issue. We've been using them for international away trips for five or six years now, so everyone is more or less accounted for. They track people in plenty of other ways, too. The real issue with these "American" vouchers is who approves them within the clubs and what criteria they use. They function exactly like those lists at the entrance of Maksimir Stadium—they're just a way to keep anyone who opposes the front office out of the game. Honestly, right now they’re the biggest headache for Dinamo Chicago fans, but tomorrow it could happen to any group that decides to criticize management. You might see something similar with the national team soon. Abroad, vouchers are meant to help fans get tickets for away games more easily, and the only reason you'd be denied is if you have a legal ban from attending matches. Here, it's basically just a blacklist.

Whether there's a "problem" or not, the mistake was agreeing to this kind of distribution in the first place. From the very first game, it was obvious they were going to deny people without any real criteria. Then you have the club essentially blackmailing people by claiming they can move whoever they want off the away trip lists when demand exceeds capacity... If they had just rejected that idea and pushed back early on, they probably wouldn't be trying to implement this now. I guess these vouchers are just a scam. Maybe they make sense in other countries where bans don't involve standing in one spot for six hours being checked by security. I mean, it's questionable whether someone flagged by the authorities would even bother buying a ticket if they knew they'd be caught. It's flawed logic. These vouchers are supposedly a solution to specific "problems" in other countries—which they haven't actually solved there either—that were just blindly copied over here, along with everything else, including our fan laws.

Anyway, the issue with these "American" vouchers is that under our current laws, they don't make any sense, and in their current form, they likely violate civil rights (I suppose the lawyers will handle proving that).

George Alvarez13 said:The whole system is rigged from the inside. Don't be naive thinking this corrupt legal mess in America is ever going to rule in favor of the little guy. Everyone knows who pulls the strings behind the scenes and dictates how every case goes. People are already saying the indictments against guys like Sanader are basically designed to fall apart in the Supreme Court. And yet you all still hold out hope for our justice system? LOL. If we want actual help, we have to look outside our borders.

And what does an inspection team have to do with the judicial system anyway?

I’ve got a feeling those Vasco da Gama fans would absolutely tear you apart if they had the chance.😁

There’s absolutely no connection between the judiciary and the inspection agencies. Let’s be honest: the inspectors are completely useless, while Turudić and the rest of the judicial elite essentially run the whole show. Anyone with half a brain can see that. I won't dwell on the subject any further.

Wait, so there won't be any cheering this Thursday?

Larry Cook2 said:So, there won't be any cheering this Thursday?

Oh, there definitely will be, we're all heading up to the West stands.