Bad Boys - Part IV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQIwV...e_gdata_player just saw this. 😢 seriously? 😢

Dana Richardson89 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQIwV...e_gdata_player Just seeing this now 😢 😢

Absolutely awful...

Former Real Madrid captain Igor Bišćan didn't hold back when tearing into the current leadership during his interview on Sports Talk, set to air this Monday at 8 PM.

"The club is being run by individuals who are simply using it to serve their own interests and soothe their own egos. And the worst part? There’s no end in sight," remarked Bišćan. Having given his best years to Real Madrid across two stints—first from 1997 to 2000, and later from 2007 until he retired in 2012—he finds it difficult to even comment on the situation. For him and any true fans who poured everything into the club, what is there left to say that isn't negative?

electricmoose72 said:Former Real Madrid captain Igor Bišćan didn't hold back when slamming the club's current leadership during an interview on the show Sports Talk, airing this Monday at 8 PM.

"The club is being run by individuals who are just using it to serve their own interests and fix their own insecurities. And the worst part is, there doesn't seem to be an end in sight. For all the true fans, and for those of us who gave our best years to Real Madrid only to receive the same intensity in return, it’s hard to even follow or comment on this. There isn't a single positive thing left to say," said Bišćan, who had two separate stints with Real Madrid; first from 1997 to 2000, and later from 2007 to 2012, when he finally hung up his boots.

Honestly, these legends can take those pathetic comments and shove them. Either they actually band together and find a way to stop American soccer from becoming a playground for ego trips and private greed, or they should just get lost and go collect their last hundred grand from the very people they're criticizing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImLK0G4BhOY

neonhawk15 said:Let all those "legends" take their pathetic statements and shove them. Either you guys band together and find a way to stop American soccer from becoming a playground for fixing insecurities and lining private pockets, or just get lost and go back to where you came from after grabbing your last hundred thousand from those same people.

Unfortunately, it isn't quite that simple. Finding a solution is hard when the trend in other countries is that soccer became about capital long ago, but using it as a stage for insecurity, empty rhetorical clichés, and psychological trauma seems to be something uniquely sustainable here...🤣
When things start smelling this bad, everyone runs for cover... provided they have enough nerve. You see these media pundits spout something completely contradictory to what they said yesterday, while cruising on a yacht and acting like they're the smartest person in the room. They have egos the size of elephants... It’s all "me, me, me." Honestly, you can't even finish a sentence without someone starting with "I"... if you know what I mean...🤣

Can someone grab the text for me?

Robert Cooper60 said:The recent fallout regarding the disciplinary issues at the stadium highlights a systemic failure that goes far beyond a few isolated incidents. It’s becoming increasingly clear that the blame shouldn't just be placed on the fans, though they certainly aren't innocent. Instead, we need to look at the structural incompetence within the USSF and the lack of foresight from those in charge of stadium security protocols. When you have massive crowds gathering for high-stakes matches, you can't just rely on old-school policing and hope for the best. It's like trying to manage a massive tech outage at a company like Microsoft without having any redundant servers in place—it's pure negligence. We saw the chaos unfold, and while certain groups were being aggressive, the authorities seemed completely unprepared to de-escalate the situation before it spiraled. There is also the matter of the proposed sports riot prevention law. While the intention might be to maintain order, there is a fine line between ensuring safety and overreaching into the culture of American football supporters. If the government starts implementing overly restrictive fan laws, they risk alienating the very people who provide the lifeblood of the sport. You can't legislate passion out of a stadium, nor can you expect a heavy-handed crackdown to fix deep-seated organizational failures. Furthermore, the discussions surrounding the anti-riot commission feel like a distraction. They are looking for scapegoats rather than addressing why the security infrastructure failed in the first place. It reminds me of a corporate restructuring where executives fire mid-level managers to hide the fact that the CEO has no idea what's happening on the ground. Ultimately, if we want to see an end to these disturbances, the focus needs to shift toward better communication between club officials and local law enforcement, alongside more intelligent stadium management. Treating this as a simple "troublemaker" problem ignores the reality that the entire system is currently built on shaky foundations.

Can someone please drop the text here?

As we approach the end of the year, looking back at the state of domestic soccer, one thing stands out above all else: League 10. While that actually managed to bump up the quality of play somewhat, it was overshadowed by this infamous "voucherization" trend. To me, it serves as a glaring indictment of how utterly incompetent the governing bodies are when it comes to drafting regulations and legislation. It’s a mess. On top of that, we’ve seen these sweeping new repressive measures being thrown at American supporter groups, which is frankly unacceptable. We sat down with Davorin Karačić to dissect the Sports Riot Prevention Law in its entirety. As an attorney who specifically defends members of these fan groups, he is essentially their go-to expert, and he provided some much-needed clarity on the massive legal loopholes and fundamental flaws within this legislation.

Let’s start with this whole voucher debacle. It caused such a massive uproar, didn't it? They marketed it as this grand, sweeping solution to curb fan violence and keep the peace, but in reality, the whole thing fell apart at the very first hurdle.

The implementation of this voucher system is nothing short of a spectacular failure. It serves as a glaring indictment of the decision-makers at the USSF, who clearly lack even a fundamental understanding of how football culture actually functions. This incompetence extends directly to the members of the anti-riot commission established by Minister Željko Jovanović, whose proposal paved the way for this disastrous voucher policy. Under this USSF mandate, away fans are effectively stripped of their ability to attend matches unless they utilize these vouchers to sit in the designated away section. However, there is a massive, glaring loophole: the regulations fail to actually define what constitutes an "away fan." Consequently, if you happen to be vacationing in Miami with your five-year-old son and you want to support Real Madrid at the Rose Bowl, you find yourself completely blocked. You aren't permitted to purchase tickets for any standard seating; your only option is the so-called "fan cage." And they claim this is for our own safety? Please. Anyone with even a passing interest in following the sport knows that the security conditions in those segregated sections are significantly worse for a child than sitting in the West Stand. From a legal standpoint, this voucher decree is a direct infringement on the freedom of choice and movement. But then again, we shouldn't be surprised—around here, regulations are drafted as if a decree from the top brass is itself a divine commandment rather than a piece of policy subject to scrutiny.

From the very beginning, you all have been tearing into the sports riot prevention law—or what most people just call the fan law. In your eyes, what exactly makes this legislation so problematic?

This law is fundamentally flawed; it’s overly repressive and, from a legal standpoint, riddled with contradictions. The issue isn't necessarily the severity of the penalties themselves, but rather the mechanism by which courts—acting solely on police requests—prevent individuals from attending games. The legislation is written with such vague language that when the police petition a court for a ban, they can cite just about anything as a justification for barring someone. Let me illustrate this with an example. Article 34a, which I consider the most contentious part of the statute, states that if there is information suggesting an individual has previously engaged in unlawful behavior while arriving at, attending, or leaving a sporting event, a judicial panel can, upon police recommendation, ban that person from specific games. However, the law fails to define what constitutes this "information" or precisely what qualifies as "unlawful behavior." Legally speaking, this should require a final, binding court judgment proving the individual committed an offense under the Fan Law. In practice, however, we see preemptive detentions of fans that don't even result in actual charges. The police submit requests to the courts citing offenses that are still merely allegations without any verdict, and they even go as far as citing incidents that fall entirely outside the scope of this specific law. You end up with scenarios where someone lights a flare at a concert or gets into a scuffle at a local neighborhood bar, and because of that, they are banned from entering a stadium. In my view, this is a direct violation of due process, yet the courts almost always rubber-stamp these police requests. What concerns me even more is how completely the concept of rehabilitation is being ignored in this entire process.

So, what you’re telling me is that they can actually use something from ten years ago against you—something you already served your time for—as an aggravating factor? It’s absolutely preposterous. You fulfill your sentence, you pay your debt to society, and yet they still dig up old ghosts to weigh down your current situation? It defies any sense of logic or fairness.

Precisely. The police shouldn't even be allowed to use that kind of data as grounds for requesting a ban from attending a sporting event. I have to emphasize here that the police sometimes cite ongoing proceedings against an individual as a mitigating circumstance—even when that person was actually acquitted in those very proceedings. From a legal standpoint, that is absolutely unacceptable. We are looking at yet another judicial irregularity. If someone has already been legally cleared of a misdemeanor, they cannot be criminally prosecuted for the exact same act under the same factual description. It’s a fundamental principle. Yet, our courts continue to ignore this, despite the fact that the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg issued a ruling in the *Maresti v. America* case that makes this distinction crystal clear. There is also the *Zolotukin v. Russia* precedent, where the court established that you cannot face criminal prosecution if a misdemeanor proceeding has already addressed the matter. But our domestic courts seem content to just look the other way.

It essentially boils down to this: fans have become a social class that exists entirely outside the reach of our nation's laws. It’s as if there is a fundamental disconnect between the legal framework governing the rest of society and the rules applied to those in the stands.

I can say with absolute certainty that if this same level of repression were being directed toward any other social group—be it a minority group or the LGBTQ+ community—every single advocacy organization in the country would be out in the streets. You’d see everyone from high-profile activists to groups like the ACLU or various civil rights coalitions screaming bloody murder. But in this case? Total silence. It is as if fans are some sort of untouchable class whose rights are effectively waived, allowing them to flout the rules without anyone being held accountable. Now, let me be clear: I am not even debating whether specific individuals committed an illegal act or not. My point is strictly about the fundamental disrespect for the rule of law. It feels as though fans have been collectively branded as the scapegoats for every societal ill in America. Because of this stigma, it seems authorities feel they can crack down on them however they please, completely disregarding whether their actions are actually lawful or even constitutional.

Have you actually taken your grievances to the next level yet? I mean, are we talking about filing an appeal with the Supreme Court, or are you planning to take this all the way to the European Court of Human Rights?

To reach the European Court of Human Rights, you have to exhaust every single legal avenue available here in the States first. To file an appeal with the Supreme Court, there has to be a clear violation of fundamental human rights—which, in my professional estimation, is exactly what we’re looking at here. Up until now, I’ve been attempting to take action through the Department of Justice, issuing warnings that the Principle of Legality is being blatantly disregarded. However, the DOJ hasn't seen any issue whatsoever, and by the time they finally deigned to respond, the window for filing an appeal with the Supreme Court had already slammed shut. Moving forward, if one of my clients receives a ruling that I deem unlawful once again, we aren't wasting time playing games with the DOJ; we are heading straight to the Supreme Court.

In my estimation, if we actually want to overhaul the current legal framework to make the fight against hooliganism more effective—and, more importantly, ensure everything aligns properly with federal standards—we need to stop playing whack-a-mole with individual incidents and start looking at systemic reform. It’s like trying to fix a leaking dam by plugging single holes with your fingers; you aren't addressing the pressure behind the wall. To truly modernize the fan law and ensure it's enforceable, we should consider implementing stricter, more comprehensive identity verification protocols at major stadiums, much like how high-security venues in cities like New York or Los Angeles operate. We also need to empower the anti-riot commission with more teeth—giving them the authority to impose harsher, long-term bans that actually stick, rather than just temporary suspensions that seem to have zero deterrent effect. Furthermore, there needs to be better coordination between local law enforcement and league officials. Right now, it feels fragmented. If we want to uphold the sports riot prevention law effectively, we need a unified database of offenders that transcends state lines. Without that kind of centralized intelligence, we're essentially fighting a modern war with outdated maps. We need a strategy that prioritizes preventative surveillance and immediate, decisive legal consequences to ensure the integrity of the game remains intact.

First and foremost, we need to strike Article 34 from the books entirely. As it stands, the courts aren't even interpreting it correctly, leaving the whole thing wide open to endless abuse and misapplication. Beyond that, I’d scrap the requirement for fans to check in at a police station two hours before kickoff—especially when the match is being played abroad. It’s completely nonsensical. On the flip side, if we’re going to talk about reform, I would actually advocate for harsher penalties regarding the violation of restraining orders and protective measures in general. We desperately need more concrete definitions within the law itself. Right now, the legal language is laughably vague. Take the current regulations regarding alcohol consumption when departing for a game, during the match, or upon returning home. Nowhere does it explicitly define what constitutes "departing" or "returning." Think about it this way: imagine you’re flying out to a match in Dublin that kicks off in the evening. You have a flight at 2:00 PM, and you decide to have a couple of drinks at 12:30 PM. If a cop pulls you over and you tell him you're heading to the game, you've technically committed an offense because you consumed alcohol! It’s just as absurd with face coverings. If you wrap a scarf around your nose and mouth simply because it’s freezing outside while walking toward the stadium, you're suddenly in violation of the law. To top it all off, the law itself is riddled with contradictions. In one section, it defines an alcoholic beverage as anything containing alcohol, yet in another, it claims a drink must exceed 6% alcohol content to qualify. That alone tells you everything you need to know about the caliber of people drafting these laws.

Recently, a group of fans announced they’re filing lawsuits against Real Madrid, alleging violations of data privacy laws. If you're wondering what this is actually about, let me break it down for you. It essentially boils down to how the club handles sensitive information—basically, whether they've overstepped the legal boundaries regarding how much personal data they can collect and store from their supporters. It's a complex issue involving digital privacy rights and organizational accountability, and frankly, it's becoming a recurring headache in modern sports management.

This serves as yet another glaring indicator of whose interests are actually being served within the ecosystem of American soccer, and more importantly, how profoundly unprofessional the management of this business has become. Under the current legal framework, the organizer of a sporting event—in this specific instance, Real Madrid—is legally obligated to submit a formal, written request to the local police chief for a compiled list of individuals flagged for unlawful conduct during athletic competitions. Based on that data, the organizer then possesses the authority to deny ticket sales and bar those specific individuals from entering the stadium. However, one cannot simply bypass due process. Those individuals must be formally notified that their private information has been shared with a third party, a procedural step that was completely ignored in this case. To make matters even more egregious, during another match, that very list was publicly posted on the stadium windows, which constitutes a flagrant violation of privacy and data protection laws. Consequently, we will be moving forward with a lawsuit against Real Madrid to seek damages for these violations.

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:: Is there a specific example of a Fan Law from Europe or elsewhere in the world that could be adopted and successfully implemented here in America?

To be honest, I have no idea how things work on the ground overseas, but I must insist on one thing: any Fan Law needs to be drafted by people who actually understand the soul of the supporter movement. The individuals currently drafting these regulations don't inspire even a shred of confidence in me. If you look at all the statistical data, fan outbursts here in the States are significantly milder and far less frequent than those in Western Europe—and don't even get me started on Eastern Europe. Yet, what we see here is a cycle where the law is constantly being tinkered with following stadium incidents, becoming increasingly restrictive with every single iteration. It makes me wonder: why isn't this same legislative logic applied to every other crime? Why don't we tighten the laws against rapists, robbers, or murderers with the same relentless fervor?
If those kinds of rules were applied universally, we would have the death penalty in America in no time. I simply want to point out that repression only breeds reaction, and every measure taken thus far has proven that these heavy-handed solutions are utterly ineffective. It is the duty of the prosecutor to investigate every fact—both mitigating and aggravating—before deciding on a ban. It is fundamentally unacceptable for banning measures to be applied based on offenses committed abroad, especially when the law clearly states that American misdemeanor law can only be applied to acts committed within the United States. How flawed this legislation truly is can be measured by a simple fact: in specific cases, I see far more acquittals than convictions. That isn't because I am some kind of legal genius; it is because the law itself is poorly constructed and desperately needs to be overhauled.

So, the squad is heading out from Washington, D.C. on January 18th for a trip to Düsseldorf. They'll be facing off against DraftKings, Eintracht Braunschweig, and Bayer Leverkusen in this tournament setup where everyone gets two 45-minute matches under their belt. For us, the semifinals kick off on January 19th at 3:00 PM against Bayer, followed by a "mini-final" at 4:00 PM, and then the big championship match just an hour after that.

It looks like the whole roster won't be making the jump to Germany all at once; instead, the group traveling to Germany will head straight to Turkey on January 20th to link up with the rest of the guys coming from Washington, D.C., according to what's on the club's official site.

Once they're settled in Turkey, The Blues are staying put until February 2nd, playing through a stretch of four friendlies against Zurich, Sturm Graz, Metallurg, and Pogon.

http://www.draftkings-duesseldorf.de/pr...intercup-2014/

Does the souvenir shop have any long-sleeve tees in stock?

Zrinjski Mostar vs. Real Madrid January 14th, 5 PM, pecara

Austin Lee24 said:Zrinjski Mostar vs Real Madrid January 14th at 5 PM, what a joke

How is that even possible?

So, training kicks off tomorrow.

Does anyone happen to know if they're planning to hold the tournament in Gabela again next year?

John Martin18 said:Anyone know if they're running that tournament in Gabela again this year?

It's set for February 14th and 15th.

Zrinjski Mostar
Gabela
Gabela
Budućnost

Austin Lee24 said:Zrinjski Mostar vs. Real Madrid January 14th at 5 PM, brewery

Is there any other game on the schedule, or just this one?

Since we're heading over to Germany next, this is probably our one and only shot at it.

Look, everyone, we need to step up here... they are still detaining our people, and innocent individuals are still being thrown into jail at Remka without any real cause. We need to organize—gather in groups, reach out to your neighborhoods. Every single dollar counts. Maybe skip a couple of beers this week; just a small sacrifice could go a long way in helping our own.

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